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On January 26 2015 05:27 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 04:36 Craze wrote: This whole football deflation thing is the easiest problem in the world to solve. Both teams use the same 12 balls. Done.
The more contentious point: Patriots organization got caught cheating again. Doesn't mean they are the only ones doing it. Like the Bounty case with the Saints, they need a serious punishment to deter other organizations from doing it. Not because it is as bad as targeting players for injury, but because there is now a worry about a culture of cheating in Football's gold standard for franchises. Anything said above went right over your head. Must be a blissful life you are living lol
Nah. Just what happens when the most informative post is made at almost the same time as the judgmental one that could have used the information within it.
Bill Nye said Bellichek's excuse was bullshit today though. He is the Science Guy after all.
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I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one.
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On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one.
Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious.
Anyone think "Team Irvin" has a chance in the probowl tonight?
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Josh Gordon failed another drug test and is gone a year lol. What a noob.
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On January 26 2015 06:41 farvacola wrote: Josh Gordon failed another drug test and is gone a year lol. What a noob. Not even drugs. He had alcohol in his system. What a dope.
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To not detract further from this thread I'll refrain from giving an in-depth answer to FatChicks and just say that if the Colts's footballs were tampered with it still falls back on the Patriots as the home team is responsible for the balls from the time of official measurement and throughout (the ball boys for both sides are hired by the home team).
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I'm not sure what is more disappointing. The fact that this is still being discussed in this thread or the massive media coverage it is STILL getting.
Also, Gordon is a fucking idiot. Guy may never play another snap in the NFL at this rate. Anyone actually think he'll stay sober during this suspension? He's done.
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On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume.
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On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume.
Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw.
What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking)
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Bill Nye seems biased but no point in arguing with everyone worshiping him.
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I just love how the Patriots can continue to do weird shit and survive as a team lol. Living in New England, it is funny to listen to people complain about how the Pats get into controversy and people blame them for cheating.
Should be an interesting Super Bowl Cheering for the Seahawks!
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On January 26 2015 08:04 vult wrote:I just love how the Patriots can continue to do weird shit and survive as a team lol. Living in New England, it is funny to listen to people complain about how the Pats get into controversy and people blame them for cheating. Should be an interesting Super Bowl  Cheering for the Seahawks!
New England is probably the best organization in the NFL and has been for a while. The whole controversy reminds me of a friend of mines family motto's.
"Win if you can, Lose if you must, But always cheat." and "If you ain't cheatin' you aint tryin'".
I think it's pretty naive to think NE wouldn't try to do anything they could get away with to make the balls as amiable to Brady as possible. I think it's also naive to think they did it in a way that would be easily identified as "cheating" (If they did they are dumb).
I think the only people who really care are people who want to crap on the Pats and Pats fans. Most people just bring it up to jab at Pats fans.
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On January 26 2015 07:43 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume. Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw. What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking)
So, the Pats overinflated their backup balls as well right? Because that makes more sense. /s
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On January 26 2015 08:38 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:43 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume. Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw. What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking) So, the Pats overinflated their backup balls as well right? Because that makes more sense. /s
Next time you post go back and check the story.
Seriously, half of the arguing in this thread is due to ppl having issues with trying to comprehend stuff. Like no one should even need to explain Bill Nye's comment, since it's a blunder, but some still go through the effort.
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On January 26 2015 08:45 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 08:38 red_ wrote:On January 26 2015 07:43 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume. Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw. What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking) So, the Pats overinflated their backup balls as well right? Because that makes more sense. /s Next time you post go back and check the story. Seriously, half of the arguing in this thread is due to ppl having issues with trying to comprehend stuff. Like no one should even need to explain Bill Nye's comment, since it's a blunder, but some still go through the effort.
Most of the arguing is because people are taking this wayyy too seriously. Also people are just being stubborn. Tom Brady had no complaints about the balls, they were how he liked them, it also happens that they were under-inflated.
Anyone who thinks that happened by coincidence is just being naive. There is no point in saying definitively whether they "cheated" to achieve it or not, short of having a video of someone clearly manipulating the ball pressure no one's minds are getting changed by science whether it's legitimate or in jest.
Hope Brady isn't counting on soft balls in the Superbowl though.
"Sorry Ref! We didn't realize we were resting our balls on top of the air-conditioner!?"
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On January 26 2015 09:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 08:45 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 08:38 red_ wrote:On January 26 2015 07:43 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume. Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw. What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking) So, the Pats overinflated their backup balls as well right? Because that makes more sense. /s Next time you post go back and check the story. Seriously, half of the arguing in this thread is due to ppl having issues with trying to comprehend stuff. Like no one should even need to explain Bill Nye's comment, since it's a blunder, but some still go through the effort. Most of the arguing is because people are taking this wayyy too seriously. Also people are just being stubborn. Tom Brady had no complaints about the balls, they were how he liked them, it also happens that they were under-inflated. Anyone who thinks that happened by coincidence is just being naive. There is no point in saying definitively whether they "cheated" to achieve it or not, short of having a video of someone clearly manipulating the ball pressure no one's minds are getting changed by science whether it's legitimate or in jest. Hope Brady isn't counting on soft balls in the Superbowl though. "Sorry Ref! We didn't realize we were resting our balls on top of the air-conditioner!?"
I can't agree with this attitude. You know what might happen? No fine, no warning. Maybe nothing happened, a non-story. No one ever measured PSI in the middle of a cold game. I can't wait for the outcome of this. Pats have talked and acted as if they are 100% clean, it's subjective but that's how I feel.
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On January 26 2015 09:12 usedtocare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 09:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 08:45 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 08:38 red_ wrote:On January 26 2015 07:43 usedtocare wrote:On January 26 2015 07:35 qrs wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 26 2015 06:10 farvacola wrote: I'm gonna go with Bill Nye on this one. Yeah I agree with Nye too, he isn't exactly unbiased though as a known Hawks fan but I think the reality is pretty obvious. I looked up what Nye said: "Rubbing the football, I don't think you can change the pressure". Considering that he hasn't experimented at all and is just giving an offhand opinion, this isn't really worth addressing, but in case you're wondering how rubbing a football could temporarily alter air pressure (which I wondered myself before seeing people offer an explanation): friction creates heat; heat expands the air inside the ball until it cools again. Also, roughing up the football could temporarily deform it slightly, altering the ball's shape and thus its volume. Yeah, it sounds like he didn't even undersrand the subject of that conversation. What will happen in the near future is multiple reports of similar experiments will appear, confirming the same findings that Belichik and Carnegie Mellon folks had. Belichik's estimates turned out to be more conservative btw. What really is puzzling is Colts PSI. Not that we know what it was, but it is a fact that it had to decrease realistically by at least 1.5. If this can be scientifically verified we will have a case of Colts overinflating their footballs (possibly to Luck's liking) So, the Pats overinflated their backup balls as well right? Because that makes more sense. /s Next time you post go back and check the story. Seriously, half of the arguing in this thread is due to ppl having issues with trying to comprehend stuff. Like no one should even need to explain Bill Nye's comment, since it's a blunder, but some still go through the effort. Most of the arguing is because people are taking this wayyy too seriously. Also people are just being stubborn. Tom Brady had no complaints about the balls, they were how he liked them, it also happens that they were under-inflated. Anyone who thinks that happened by coincidence is just being naive. There is no point in saying definitively whether they "cheated" to achieve it or not, short of having a video of someone clearly manipulating the ball pressure no one's minds are getting changed by science whether it's legitimate or in jest. Hope Brady isn't counting on soft balls in the Superbowl though. "Sorry Ref! We didn't realize we were resting our balls on top of the air-conditioner!?" I can't agree with this attitude. You know what might happen? No fine, no warning. Maybe nothing happened, a non-story. No one ever measured PSI in the middle of a cold game. I can't wait for the outcome of this. Pats have talked and acted as if they are 100% clean, it's subjective but that's how I feel.
Not sure what part you disagree with?
When I hear the Pats it sounds like they are saying "Yeah the balls were under-pressurized, Yes our QB prefers them the way they were, No we didn't break any rules"
Which to me sounds like "yeah we intentionally got our balls below the required PSI but we did it within the confines of the rules"
This seems like the obvious case. If they were dumb enough to overtly break a rule to get the PSI down they will get caught and fined, if not they will be more careful about how they prepare balls in the future. Either way the NFL will likely have new rules regarding balls in the next season.
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no wonder no one wanted to take gordon away from the browns. literally a ticking time bomb.
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Odds on Gordon going Ricky Williams and leaving for a couple years before coming back and having a decent career?
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