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On March 22 2014 02:36 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 19:27 iNcontroL wrote:On March 21 2014 09:31 BloodNinja wrote:On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote:
Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. Given his numbers, I think you are correct in that he is not an ever-down player but rotated in depending on the situation. Someone who follows the Seahawks is free to correct me though. On March 21 2014 07:41 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote:
Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. I can't find it anymore, but I remember reading that Bruce Irvin had 100% tackle success rate either last year or the year before. Actually I do remember that it was a thread on OS where we were talking about one of the many ways in which Madden is a shitty game (way too many broken tackles). It must have been two years ago, because someone brought up that the worst tackler in the league was Ed Reed at 75%, while Willis was at 98%, and Irvin at 100%. I had always thought Irvin was an OLB because of that. Not sure how they measure it, I think if you're able to get a hand on the guy (so getting juked out of your shoes doesn't count as a missed tackle maybe?). Just looking at his numbers the past two years, the year in which that occurred makes a huge difference. If that was two years ago, the sample size is just too small (10 solo tackles / 6 assisted) for that to be really a really jaw dropping revelation. If that was last year, that would be much more impressive since his production basically tripled. Correct on Irvin. He played both OLB and DE but our LB crew appeared deeper this past year than it was the year before so he became more of a specialized pass rusher emphasized at DE and less the OLB Going back to the original point, wasn't he projected as a situational pass rusher and hence a reach considering his draft position?
He's a reach based on conventional wisdom. But there is value in teams going against the conventional wisdom of where to draft players. Maybe we're at a point that drafting a situational pass rusher in the mid-late first round shouldn't be considered a reach?
I'm impressed by how good the NFC West has become. Just 5 years ago, that was the worst division in NFL history.
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On March 22 2014 02:55 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:36 AgentW wrote:On March 21 2014 19:27 iNcontroL wrote:On March 21 2014 09:31 BloodNinja wrote:On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote:
Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. Given his numbers, I think you are correct in that he is not an ever-down player but rotated in depending on the situation. Someone who follows the Seahawks is free to correct me though. On March 21 2014 07:41 jrwh wrote:On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote:
Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. I can't find it anymore, but I remember reading that Bruce Irvin had 100% tackle success rate either last year or the year before. Actually I do remember that it was a thread on OS where we were talking about one of the many ways in which Madden is a shitty game (way too many broken tackles). It must have been two years ago, because someone brought up that the worst tackler in the league was Ed Reed at 75%, while Willis was at 98%, and Irvin at 100%. I had always thought Irvin was an OLB because of that. Not sure how they measure it, I think if you're able to get a hand on the guy (so getting juked out of your shoes doesn't count as a missed tackle maybe?). Just looking at his numbers the past two years, the year in which that occurred makes a huge difference. If that was two years ago, the sample size is just too small (10 solo tackles / 6 assisted) for that to be really a really jaw dropping revelation. If that was last year, that would be much more impressive since his production basically tripled. Correct on Irvin. He played both OLB and DE but our LB crew appeared deeper this past year than it was the year before so he became more of a specialized pass rusher emphasized at DE and less the OLB Going back to the original point, wasn't he projected as a situational pass rusher and hence a reach considering his draft position? He's a reach based on conventional wisdom. But there is value in teams going against the conventional wisdom of where to draft players. Maybe we're at a point that drafting a situational pass rusher in the mid-late first round shouldn't be considered a reach? I'm impressed by how good the NFC West has become. Just 5 years ago, that was the worst division in NFL history.
You make a good point. I was talking with friends the other day who are from Buffalo that were arguing that even if Mack's the best player in the draft, he shouldn't be drafted first because of his position.
I think that this point is twofold. First, the most important thing in the NFL is passing the ball and stopping the other team from passing the ball, which leads to the following positions being most highly paid: QB, OT, DE and CB (to a lesser extent). Because of this, these positions are most impactful and therefore having relatively cheap, productive labor at those positions, acquired through the draft is the most important thing to do. Because Mack doesn't rush the passer nearly exclusively, he shouldn't be picked first.
This supports your point about Irvin. Because he plays a position that impacts the other team's ability to pass, is that more important than other things such as guard or something?
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Unless he's like a generational pass rushing talent, no way. A high level G or C is gonna be on the field for almost every offensive snap, and having that strength allows you to not only pass well but also rush when necessary. Even if your specialized pass rusher is really really good at getting to the qb, if he's not a 3 down player, he can't possibly be valued as high.
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Vick to the Jets, 1yr 5mil.
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Can't tell if they did him a favor or hurt him by releasing him after Oakland acquired Schaub.
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Got to give him one last eff you as he's going out the door.
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Rofl jets. They're gonna deserve every loss they get whilst getting stomped this season
I hope Rex gets canned so he can go to a non shot organization
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On March 22 2014 10:28 QuanticHawk wrote:
Rofl jets. They're gonna deserve every loss they get whilst getting stomped this season
I hope Rex gets canned so he can go to a non shot organization
I would welcome him back as Ravens DC...he's been awful as a HC though.
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I actually disagree with that sentiment. Ryan's never got a fair shake with the roster they've given him. Nobody can make Mark Sanchez a winner, and Rex came close.
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Wonder what sexy rexy is going to do about that tattoo.
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Schaub has already shown more value than Flynn. Plus this was really cheap. Fitzpatrick signing with the Texans is more of a downgrade, curious how they draft. Either way, sure Schaub had a poor year but the Texans imploding wasn't all on him. Think this move allows the Raiders to not draft QB in the 5th spot.
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Just put 20$ on the Broncos not making the playoffs this year. Easy money 
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On March 22 2014 10:52 AgentW wrote:
I actually disagree with that sentiment. Ryan's never got a fair shake with the roster they've given him. Nobody can make Mark Sanchez a winner, and Rex came close.
That's my feeling too. He made some great defenses, and the offenses were actually not half bad considering the shit that was cobbled together around Sanchez of all people.
Pair him with a good gm, and I think he's in the playoffs at least most years.
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On March 22 2014 10:52 AgentW wrote:
I actually disagree with that sentiment. Ryan's never got a fair shake with the roster they've given him. Nobody can make Mark Sanchez a winner, and Rex came close.
IDK. Rex has had his fair share of input into the front office moves, though he's far from total control. Sanchez put up solid numbers in his second season (3474yds 26tds 18ints) and then regressed every year after. I think that's more to do with Rex having no idea how to run an offense than Sanchez being a downright awful QB. I also think that Rex's goofball antics have done more to hurt the team than help it. He got a tattoo of his wife in a Sanchez jersey, ffs. He'd be better served running a defense behind the scenes while a more professional HC does the HC things.
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On March 23 2014 03:28 jrwh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 10:52 AgentW wrote:
I actually disagree with that sentiment. Ryan's never got a fair shake with the roster they've given him. Nobody can make Mark Sanchez a winner, and Rex came close. IDK. Rex has had his fair share of input into the front office moves, though he's far from total control. Sanchez put up solid numbers in his second season (3474yds 26tds 18ints) and then regressed every year after. I think that's more to do with Rex having no idea how to run an offense than Sanchez being a downright awful QB. I also think that Rex's goofball antics have done more to hurt the team than help it. He got a tattoo of his wife in a Sanchez jersey, ffs. He'd be better served running a defense behind the scenes while a more professional HC does the HC things.
Input does not mean you get to decide, otherwise revis would have never left. Tannenbaum handed out some awful contracts that really fucked the team cap wise (and didn't even bring in particularly good players) for that 2-3 years window where they were near the top of the AFC. Rex gets blame for Schottenheimer being on his staff at all, but the personnel moves were almost entirely tannenbaum
that pic I imagine is what happens what happens when reps from a shit franchise tell an idiot to pretend to sign a contract for a photo op. Both are too stupid to realize he is a lefty
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I write left handed but throw a football right handed.
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