EPTOn March 20 2014 20:07 GTR wrote:
zing!
I also didn't realize River was a boy's name O.o
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y0su
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cLutZ
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On March 20 2014 18:24 jrwh wrote: Because players get drafted in order of who teams think are the best first, and this early in his NFL career that information is still relevant. He wasn't a reach. Christian Ponder was a reach. And no, I wouldn't make the same argument for Michael Oher But he was a reach. He had the easiest job in college football and looked approximately as good as the backups just with more volume. Not to mention he plays the most replaceable position in football outside of special teams. That two teams used 1st round picks on him just means two teams should fire thirty gms. Cleveland already did, and Indianapolis is busy being tricked into thinking they have a good team by Luck. | ||
GTR
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As jwrh mentioned, Ponder was what is a textbook reach, because he was projected to be a late first/early second rounder. Same with players like Bruce Irvin (projected second/third), Travis Frederick (projected third/fouth) and James Carpenter (projected second). | ||
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QuanticHawk
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andrewlt
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On March 20 2014 21:53 GTR wrote: Show me some articles of people lambasting the Browns pick of Richardson as a reach. As much as I remember, no one criticized the move at the time as everyone expected Richardson to go in the top five. As jwrh mentioned, Ponder was what is a textbook reach, because he was projected to be a late first/early second rounder. Same with players like Bruce Irvin (projected second/third), Travis Frederick (projected third/fouth) and James Carpenter (projected second). http://grantland.com/the-triangle/five-up-five-down-from-day-1-of-the-nfl-draft/ This one is from Bill Barnwell at Grantland. He pretty much panned the concept of drafting running backs early. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/fo-2012-nfl-draft-day-one-live-blog Another one from Aaron Schatz at Football Outsiders. It's a live blog but his answer is near the top of the chat. You can't trust the projections because they mostly come from the traditional scouts who are clueless about analytics. | ||
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AgentW
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HeadlessWonder
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jrwh
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On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote: Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. I can't find it anymore, but I remember reading that Bruce Irvin had 100% tackle success rate either last year or the year before. Actually I do remember that it was a thread on OS where we were talking about one of the many ways in which Madden is a shitty game (way too many broken tackles). It must have been two years ago, because someone brought up that the worst tackler in the league was Ed Reed at 75%, while Willis was at 98%, and Irvin at 100%. I had always thought Irvin was an OLB because of that. Not sure how they measure it, I think if you're able to get a hand on the guy (so getting juked out of your shoes doesn't count as a missed tackle maybe?). | ||
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jrwh
United States37 Posts
On March 21 2014 04:38 Irave wrote: Jared Allen signs with Seattle Nine days after the market opened, Allen left Seattle for a second time Thursday, with agent Ken Harris telling ESPN's Ed Werder the defensive end would take the weekend to weigh the Seahawks' offer against the others he has received before making a decision. This is from an hour and a half ago. http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On March 21 2014 04:52 AgentW wrote: Did Bruce Irvin play much last season? He's a situation pass rusher, albeit on a very good team. I know he's only played two years, but at this point it's a reach. Given his numbers, I think you are correct in that he is not an ever-down player but rotated in depending on the situation. Someone who follows the Seahawks is free to correct me though. On March 21 2014 07:41 jrwh wrote: I can't find it anymore, but I remember reading that Bruce Irvin had 100% tackle success rate either last year or the year before. Actually I do remember that it was a thread on OS where we were talking about one of the many ways in which Madden is a shitty game (way too many broken tackles). It must have been two years ago, because someone brought up that the worst tackler in the league was Ed Reed at 75%, while Willis was at 98%, and Irvin at 100%. I had always thought Irvin was an OLB because of that. Not sure how they measure it, I think if you're able to get a hand on the guy (so getting juked out of your shoes doesn't count as a missed tackle maybe?). Just looking at his numbers the past two years, the year in which that occurred makes a huge difference. If that was two years ago, the sample size is just too small (10 solo tackles / 6 assisted) for that to be really a really jaw dropping revelation. If that was last year, that would be much more impressive since his production basically tripled. | ||
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jrwh
United States37 Posts
On March 21 2014 09:31 BloodNinja wrote: Just looking at his numbers the past two years, the year in which that occurred makes a huge difference. If that was two years ago, the sample size is just too small (10 solo tackles / 6 assisted) for that to be really a really jaw dropping revelation. If that was last year, that would be much more impressive since his production basically tripled. Yeah. I guess the fact that anyone bothered to put forth that statistic is what made me think he was an OLB. Former New York Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie reached agreement Thursday on a one-year deal with the Arizona Cardinals, the team announced. God that is going to be a scary secondary. What a division compared to what it was just a few years ago. | ||
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LeeDawg
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On March 21 2014 11:17 jrwh wrote: Yeah. I guess the fact that anyone bothered to put forth that statistic is what made me think he was an OLB. God that is going to be a scary secondary. What a division compared to what it was just a few years ago. NFC West is scary right now. SEA and SF are very good, and ARI only missed the playoffs on tiebreakers. Give them a stud QB and they are one of the best teams in the league. STL isn't bad either. Zac Stacy is very good and if they can get some good receivers for Sam Bradford, they could be a surprising team next year. Sammy Watkins anyone? On March 21 2014 05:28 HeadlessWonder wrote: The Panthers sign Jericho Cotchery! Now we just need to fix the secondary, the offensive line, and, oh yeah, more receivers! Woo! Cotchery is a solid pickup. Far from a superstar but he has great hands and he's tough as nails. I loved him when he was with the Jets, and Newton may be the best QB he's ever had throwing him the ball. tough to say though, considering he just left Pittsburgh... | ||
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y0su
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iNcontroL
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On March 21 2014 09:31 BloodNinja wrote: Given his numbers, I think you are correct in that he is not an ever-down player but rotated in depending on the situation. Someone who follows the Seahawks is free to correct me though. Just looking at his numbers the past two years, the year in which that occurred makes a huge difference. If that was two years ago, the sample size is just too small (10 solo tackles / 6 assisted) for that to be really a really jaw dropping revelation. If that was last year, that would be much more impressive since his production basically tripled. Correct on Irvin. He played both OLB and DE but our LB crew appeared deeper this past year than it was the year before so he became more of a specialized pass rusher emphasized at DE and less the OLB | ||
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AgentW
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On March 21 2014 19:27 iNcontroL wrote: Correct on Irvin. He played both OLB and DE but our LB crew appeared deeper this past year than it was the year before so he became more of a specialized pass rusher emphasized at DE and less the OLB Going back to the original point, wasn't he projected as a situational pass rusher and hence a reach considering his draft position? | ||
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