NFL 2014 Season - Page 13

On March 19 2014 06:08 AgentW wrote:
That and you don't give away a first rounder for a guy who scored a lot of touchdowns, which may be the most meaningless statistic in the world when that same guy never had a 20 yard rush and averaged 3.6 YPC.

It's the same reason I don't see why people think Le'Veon Bell is a stud, fantasy or otherwise. Dude rushes for 3.5 YPC with a terrible offensive line. That's not terrible, but it's leaps and bounds from good.

On March 20 2014 08:25 jrwh wrote:


I disagree on the point about touchdowns, being able to punch the ball in from the redzone always > fieldgoal, and some team have a surprising amount of trouble with it. Also, the fact that he never had a 20+ yard rush only means that he was consistent, and one 80yd run from being over 4.0ypc, which is what Arian Foster/Marshawn Lynch/other top RBs put up. And again, he did this with the Browns, who had a rookie qb in Weeden throwing to mediocre receivers (some of whom developed into phenomenal receivers last year). It's not like any of his opponents had to respect the pass.

Speaking of Lynch, I don't remember what the Seahawks gave the Bills for him but I doubt it involved a first rounder. If they knew exactly what they were going to get, though, I'm sure they wouldn't have hesitated to send a first round pick for him. Lynch was like 20 when he came into the league, he just took some time to bloom. Richardson will turn 23 a few months before the season starts, so he has time to bloom like Beast Mode did.

For clarity's sake, I'm not a Colts fan. I hated the move from a personal standpoint cuz I had Bradshaw in fantasy and the Colts other RB (Ballard I think?) had just gone down for the season to a knee injury. I had about one day to rejoice in already having my Lamar Miller replacement sitting on my bench before the Richardson deal broke. I shopped my WRs and TEs galore all season long but never did get a deal done for a better RB2.

On March 20 2014 09:20 AgentW wrote:

Agreed with the touchdown being so much better than a FG sentiment, but I just think it's too situation based to be useful in comparing RBs. The point about Richardson's YPC is that he's slow and makes bad decisions reading the hole, and it's not like he had a bad offensive line in Cleveland. Mediocre at worst, good at best.

Lynch argument isn't valid because he forced his way out of Buffalo. Lynch was nearly as good as he is now while in Buffalo running behind the measly lines we used to field in the mid 2000s.

On March 20 2014 10:09 jrwh wrote:


IDK. YPC seems to be potentially as misleading as TDs to me. I just went through last season's stats and there were 27 guys with 4.0 or more ypc, but only 15 of them had 200+ carries. Of the 7 who topped 5.0 ypc, only Murray, McCoy, and Charles had 200+ carries. Andre Ellington led the league with 5.5 ypc, Cam Newton and Donald Brown tied for second with 5.3.

I also don't know how we can call Richardson "slow" within 2 years of him going top 3 in the draft. The Browns and a whole lot of analysts didn't think he was slow when he ran a 4.4something at the combine, and that's not something that changes drastically without a serious injury or several years' aging. I can't comment on the "bad decisions reading the hole" bit cuz I don't have the expertise to judge that sort of thing, but again, having Weeden as your QB means no one has to respect the pass. Also, having to play the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals for over a third of your games doesn't help anyone's ypc; those teams were ranked 3, 8, and 12 against the run respectively in 2012. None of this, of course, explains why he sucked so badly last year. Maybe the transition to a new team and having to learn a new playbook mid-season?

In addition to the value of giving up next year's 26 for last year's 3, what I really liked about the trade was how Richardson fits in with what the Colts already were/are. Franchise QB? Check. Solid Receiving Corps (even post-Wayne injury)? Check. Workhorse back? I believe Richardson will fill that role, and put up top 10 numbers doing so. Already targeting him as a mid-round steal for this year's fantasy drafts.

Then again, last year I sold myself on Case Keenum after he replaced Shaub, and ditched Matty Ice for him with the quickness. Didn't take long to see I was wrong about that, and fortunately I was able to cash in a bit on Josh McCown towards the end of the season. We shall see about Richardson.

On March 20 2014 14:11 Aveng3r wrote:
also what do you guys think of Manziel? from what I hear hes not really a stand in the pocket, change the protections, read the defense well kinda guy. ESPN still has a lot of analysts that see him going in the top 5. personally I hope the Eagles can snag him. what do you guys think?

On March 20 2014 14:07 Aveng3r wrote:
Heard bridgewater didnt look as good as some other guy whos name I cant remember today. Does anybody know who the texans are looking at?

On March 20 2014 10:20 cLutZ wrote:
Why do you keep talking about Richardson's draft pick #? It was widely panned as a reach when it was made. You wouldn't be making this argument if he was a right tackle picked at 15-25 2 years ago who gave up 3 sacks a game would you?

On March 20 2014 10:44 GTR wrote:
I really, really think the Texans should take Clowney and grab a McCarron or something in the third.
Feels like the Mario Williams/Reggie Bush situation in 2006 all over again.

On March 20 2014 14:19 Aveng3r wrote:
I know but I still have a hunch that chip might go after him.

Think they trade up for clowney? I havent heard anyone suggest the idea but they need a pash rusher pretty bad and he could be a special talent, it kinda reeks of a Jerome McDougle situation all over again though