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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 18 2014 20:40 GMT
#221
I would never value a running back as a first rounder unless it's an Adrian Peterson type of player. It is the easiest position to learn out of college and it has the shortest shelf life. Running backs are easily replaceable.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
March 18 2014 21:07 GMT
#222
I bet you a billion esports dollars that if the colts win a SB in the next decade, Richardson wont be on the roster anymore.

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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 18 2014 21:08 GMT
#223
That and you don't give away a first rounder for a guy who scored a lot of touchdowns, which may be the most meaningless statistic in the world when that same guy never had a 20 yard rush and averaged 3.6 YPC.

It's the same reason I don't see why people think Le'Veon Bell is a stud, fantasy or otherwise. Dude rushes for 3.5 YPC with a terrible offensive line. That's not terrible, but it's leaps and bounds from good.
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VIPrandom
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada25 Posts
March 18 2014 21:51 GMT
#224
I've read recently that the Bills would be playoff material if they could find a good QB. Also, some said Micheal Vick could go to Buffalo. Does anyone has news/rumours concerning the Bills and/or Michael Vick?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 18 2014 21:55 GMT
#225
On March 19 2014 06:51 VIPrandom wrote:
I've read recently that the Bills would be playoff material if they could find a good QB. Also, some said Micheal Vick could go to Buffalo. Does anyone has news/rumours concerning the Bills and/or Michael Vick?

Given how bad the AFC is, Buffalo would be a playoff team with a decent quarterback. I'm not sure that Vick is that guy, though.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 21:59:56
March 18 2014 21:57 GMT
#226
Newton getting surgery, losing the top 4 receivers from last year and having 3 of your offensive line retire? The offense was already a problem, and with this... If the Panthers sniff the playoffs, it's only b/c they got lucky and drew the NFC/AFC north as their divisional opponents. Even then I don't see anything good this year.

Really curious why he waited so long to get it though...
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 18 2014 22:18 GMT
#227
On March 19 2014 06:51 VIPrandom wrote:
I've read recently that the Bills would be playoff material if they could find a good QB. Also, some said Micheal Vick could go to Buffalo. Does anyone has news/rumours concerning the Bills and/or Michael Vick?

There's almost no chance of it happening. With Manuel having basically redshirted last season due to the knee injuries, a Vick signing would really hurt his development. It makes no sense for us to sign him, and he'd only be reliable for 8 games at most before his first injury, at which point Manuel would have to play again.

On March 19 2014 06:55 xDaunt wrote:
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On March 19 2014 06:51 VIPrandom wrote:
I've read recently that the Bills would be playoff material if they could find a good QB. Also, some said Micheal Vick could go to Buffalo. Does anyone has news/rumours concerning the Bills and/or Michael Vick?

Given how bad the AFC is, Buffalo would be a playoff team with a decent quarterback. I'm not sure that Vick is that guy, though.

I was bullish on our chances, but then the schedules came out and it's hell for us. AFC West...
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51586 Posts
March 18 2014 23:14 GMT
#228
On March 19 2014 05:40 andrewlt wrote:
I would never value a running back as a first rounder unless it's an Adrian Peterson type of player. It is the easiest position to learn out of college and it has the shortest shelf life. Running backs are easily replaceable.


Disagree, cornerback is by far the easiest position to pick up the playbook out of college, followed by wide receiver.
RB's have to learn stuff besides running lanes like passing routes, blocking schemes etc.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
March 19 2014 00:29 GMT
#229
On March 18 2014 10:22 xDaunt wrote:
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On March 18 2014 10:11 QuanticHawk wrote:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-needs-to-step-up-and-help-one-of-its-own-182858089-nfl.html

I don't get the premise of this column.

I didn't think it was possible to be more stupid than driving home shitfaced as a millioniare athlete, but doing it as a billionaire owner takes the cake. Why the hell should the league hammer players for doing dumb shit, but give an owner a pass?? Weztel is usually good too

Hey, at least we now know why the Colts were unable to provide Manning with a good supporting cast most of those years.


hehehehe

On March 19 2014 06:51 VIPrandom wrote:
I've read recently that the Bills would be playoff material if they could find a good QB. Also, some said Micheal Vick could go to Buffalo. Does anyone has news/rumours concerning the Bills and/or Michael Vick?


How would a bad qb help buffalo?
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 19 2014 00:39 GMT
#230
The Bills are going to max out at the wildcard for the foreseeable future, but I don't think they're close to even that. They have a amazing dline, but are sub par at all other positions. Maybe PFM/TFB/Rodgers/Brees could get them there, but they need a first ballot hof qb to take their current roster to the playoffs.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 01:27:58
March 19 2014 01:27 GMT
#231
On March 19 2014 09:39 Jaaaaasper wrote:
The Bills are going to max out at the wildcard for the foreseeable future, but I don't think they're close to even that. They have a amazing dline, but are sub par at all other positions. Maybe PFM/TFB/Rodgers/Brees could get them there, but they need a first ballot hof qb to take their current roster to the playoffs.

You're seriously underrating our secondary, even without Byrd. Our running game was solid last year as well. Sure an all time great would get us there in no time, but I think a second cut QB would get us to the playoffs as well (Newton, Wilson etc.).

Let's look at the schedule from last year (Team, Result, Margin):
Patriots, L, 2 (Winnable coin flip game, lost on a last minute drive, IIRC)
Panthers, W, 1 (Should have lost, Riverboat Ron almost got fired after this game)
Jets, L, 7 (Terrible game, lots of penalties, neither team wanted to win)
Ravens, W, 3 (Close win at home, where we play well, very coin flippy game)
Browns, L, 13 (Thursday night game, Hoyer and Manuel got hurt in this one)
Bengals, L, 3 (Another well played game at home, took a furious comeback to take it to OT)
Dolphins, W, 2 (Thad Lewis somehow beats Miami, in Miami, unreliable victory to win on the road in division)
Saints, L, 18 (Drew Brees did as he pleased)
Chiefs, L, 10 (Doesn't show up in the box, but we had KC by the nuts in this one, Tuel threw a 98 yard pick six, we lose by 10, ran all over them that day, something like 280 yards rushing)
Steelers, L, 13 (On the road, offense didn't score until like two minutes left in the fourth, terrible performance)
Jets, W, 23 (Huge win at home, against a rival, before the bye, don't remember game details too well)
Falcons, L, 3 (OT? Game in Toronto, if this game was at home, we win because of the crowd, and the slower turf negating Atlanta's speed, they passed a lot and with success that day)
Bucs, L, 21 (Bobby Rainey rips off an 80 yard TD on the second play, Manuel throws up another dud)
Jags, W, 7 (Won on a 4th quarter TD, don't remember much else)
Dolphins, W, 19 (Crushed Miami's playoff chances)
Patriots, L, 14 (We always get slaughtered in this game, IIRC Blount ran all over us)

So where does that put the Bills? 8 games decided by a score or less, with a record of 4-4. Throw in the fact that we won't be playing in Toronto this year and the Chiefs game was basically in the bag, and last season easily could have had us at 8-8 and staring the playoffs right in the face, even with Manuel's abysmally inconsistent play.

Thoughts?
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 19 2014 01:28 GMT
#232
I think you're overrating them and I'm probably underrating them. Its the nature of fandom.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 19 2014 01:49 GMT
#233
Oh, don't get me wrong, the defense will regress because it was playing above its paygrade, we lost Pettine, and Byrd hopped to NO, and I'm basically regarding Manuel's season last year as a completely lost one with regards to his development. That combined with the schedule this year puts us as a very outside shot. I'm not calling it, but I think we're a bit closer than we appear.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
March 19 2014 01:58 GMT
#234
I think at best they're probably an 8-8 team as is. Mayyyybe 9-7 if they get really lucky with a few of thsoe close games going their way. Most of those wins were against mediocre opponents. Having a decent defense and a good run game allows them to hang around more than they should kind of. I do think they'd need more than a good qb to be anything more than WC fodder though. Their division isn't even that good outside of the Pats, and I think both the Jets and Dolphins are both probably at least 2-3 wins better than buffalo even with major issues themselves
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 19 2014 02:10 GMT
#235
We're still tough at home, it takes a special team to whack us around at home. I see 8-8 as the ceiling for this upcoming year. I think the playoffs is a two year plan right now.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 19 2014 03:21 GMT
#236
You guys think there is any chance Jackson actually gets traded from Philly? 49ers and Pats both expressed interest, but I don't see the Pats shelling out the kind of money you need to in order to get Jackson.
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VIPrandom
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada25 Posts
March 19 2014 04:18 GMT
#237
On March 19 2014 11:10 AgentW wrote:
We're still tough at home, it takes a special team to whack us around at home. I see 8-8 as the ceiling for this upcoming year. I think the playoffs is a two year plan right now.


Yup, Buffalo has a good crowd advantage

Bills had a great start last season until EJ Manuel got hurt. It was quite sad because they had a chance to turn the page of a terrible era with Fitzpatrick. They were a winning team at the beginning of the season, but Manuel's injury made them lose all hope even though Lewis and Tuel answered ok with the pressure.

Next season will be way better if Manuel can play 16 games. They can aim for 8-8, even 9-7!
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
March 19 2014 07:27 GMT
#238
On March 19 2014 08:14 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 05:40 andrewlt wrote:
I would never value a running back as a first rounder unless it's an Adrian Peterson type of player. It is the easiest position to learn out of college and it has the shortest shelf life. Running backs are easily replaceable.


Disagree, cornerback is by far the easiest position to pick up the playbook out of college, followed by wide receiver.
RB's have to learn stuff besides running lanes like passing routes, blocking schemes etc.


corner's up there, but RB is definitely the most similar between college and the pros. following blockers and hitting holes is pretty much the same for both, and the only real learning a back has to do is how to pick up a free pass rusher. wide receivers though have to learn a lot more than either, since NFL passing schemes tend to be much more complex than college ones. Even in "pro-style" offenses...
:-)
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
March 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#239
On March 19 2014 12:21 Darkhorse wrote:
You guys think there is any chance Jackson actually gets traded from Philly? 49ers and Pats both expressed interest, but I don't see the Pats shelling out the kind of money you need to in order to get Jackson.


I really doubt it, esp both teams already have wrs in place. moreover, djax is extremely important to that offense. he is what takes away the safety for mccoy, and gives maclin room to operate.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51586 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-19 21:15:24
March 19 2014 21:14 GMT
#240


I don't see any way how the first rule is going to get through.
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