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On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap.
Or you can get green leafy vegetables.
Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.
You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.
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On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.
this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.
what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.
parsley is better than Spinach
however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake
best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.
humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.
lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.
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On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.
There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.
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On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet. what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years. green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago. parsley is better than Spinach however, large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intakebest thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally. there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk. humans are omnivores, not herbivores. govern yourself accordingly. the more variety the better. lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart. lots of different fruits and vegetables. lots of different nuts seeds and oils.
The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour.
I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food.
Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.).
Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.).
I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people.
The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc.
As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain.
It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it.
So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's.
On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.
Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest.
Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.
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On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet. what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years. green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago. parsley is better than Spinach however, large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intakebest thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally. there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk. humans are omnivores, not herbivores. govern yourself accordingly. the more variety the better. lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart. lots of different fruits and vegetables. lots of different nuts seeds and oils. The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour. I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food. Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.). Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.). I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people. The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc. As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain. It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it. So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's. Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat. Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest. Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.
You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Some serious grasping going on here
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Someone help me out.
My coach told me to eat around 150 grams of protein dailly but on internet general recommendations are half of that and more, even if you are regulary exercising.
I weight about 82 kg, 187 cm high, and workout 3 days a week with my group (something like crossfit) and play basketball atleast once a week and go to the normal gym at least once a week.
So what amount of protein do you think is sufficient?
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Zurich15365 Posts
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.
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On January 07 2014 16:05 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet. what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years. green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago. parsley is better than Spinach however, large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intakebest thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally. there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk. humans are omnivores, not herbivores. govern yourself accordingly. the more variety the better. lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart. lots of different fruits and vegetables. lots of different nuts seeds and oils. The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour. I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food. Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.). Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.). I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people. The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc. As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain. It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it. So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's. On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat. Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest. Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts. You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.
Ignore him, he comes in and makes this argument a few times a year despite all the science we can show him and the distinct lack he has for his arguments.
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On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.
Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better.
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On January 07 2014 22:54 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either. Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better.
You still need the protein for building muscle even if you are just wanting an athletic build (I'd say .8-1g per lb which is like 1.6-2g per kilo). The 'buff' look you are thinking of is only obtainable through intentional and strict dieting, workout routines, and often steroids. No one ever accidently gets buff.
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On January 08 2014 02:13 Najda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 22:54 NukeD wrote:On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either. Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better. You still need the protein for building muscle even if you are just wanting an athletic build (I'd say .8-1g per lb which is like 1.6-2g per kilo). The 'buff' look you are thinking of is only obtainable through intentional and strict dieting, workout routines, and often steroids. No one ever accidently gets buff.
+1, just look around all the pencil necks in gym who are actively trying to look buff yet have failed after months and even years at the gym 
it iss better to err on the side of consuming a bit of extra protein than being short on it
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im going to start with protein, the 1.6-2g per kilo is besides the protein you get in your meals?
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Every month someone gets sucked into talking with the SJ photographer guy. lol
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On January 07 2014 16:05 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet. what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years. green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago. parsley is better than Spinach however, large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intakebest thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally. there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk. humans are omnivores, not herbivores. govern yourself accordingly. the more variety the better. lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart. lots of different fruits and vegetables. lots of different nuts seeds and oils. The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour. I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food. Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.). Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.). I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people. The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc. As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain. It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it. So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's. On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.
So here's what I plan on eating during the week:
2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit
I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?
large organ meat is an important item missing from this. you should eat liver at least once a week. also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research. http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.phpthe main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat. liver fills in that gap. Or you can get green leafy vegetables. Spinach has a lot of CoQ10. You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats. There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat. Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest. Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts. You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.
What does anemia have to do with this lol?
You can get enough iron eating greens or you can take iron supplements.
Also, I do eat meat but I keep it to a minimum and am trying to eat less and less of it on a monthly basis. These people going around spreading stuff like bacon, eggs, and cheese are a healthy breakfast are kidding themselves and are doing a huge disservice to those that believe in them and can't think for themselves.
All of the nutrients come from the ground up, hence why fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, tubers, and grains will always be superior to meat.
When eating cooked meat you're just eating whatever happened to be stored in that animals muscle tissue after the animal absorbed and utilized the nutrients of whatever plants it ate.
That's why you will never see meats or cheeses that have a high nutrient value. Heck, even a cheap basic tuber like the red potato has much more nutrient value than any kind of meat or cheese out there. Last time I checked one medium sized potato has around 400mg of Potassium (a long with magnesium and other nutrients, even vitamin C if you eat it raw.) which most people are deficient in.
I mean, whens the last time you heard of 12oz of meat having the nutrient density of say 12oz of spinach or even blueberries both of which they're still finding new enzymes and nutrients in.
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On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.
It'll put stress on his kidneys.
Lot's of body builders out there have been saying that the protein thing is over hyped.
I don't know why so many people worry about their protein or nutritional intake of fat's, carb's, and protein and have to count out all of the grams and everything.
Most of the best athletes and even power lifters from the past and even to this day just listen to their body and eat regular meals.
You can get huge even on a low protein diet.
I'm sure that most of the huge prison inmates aren't supplementing with protein.
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On January 08 2014 11:19 eshlow wrote:
Every month someone gets sucked into talking with the SJ photographer guy. lol
I feel bad for you because you a long with others believe in bullshit that's only doing harm to yourselves and that eating all of the bacon you want a long with saturated greasy fats is good for your heart.
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On January 08 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either. It'll put stress on his kidneys. Lot's of body builders out there have been saying that the protein thing is over hyped. I don't know why so many people worry about their protein or nutritional intake of fat's, carb's, and protein and have to count out all of the grams and everything. Most of the best athletes and even power lifters from the past and even to this day just listen to their body and eat regular meals. You can get huge even on a low protein diet. I'm sure that most of the huge prison inmates aren't supplementing with protein.
How big are you? Post us some pics of your flexed muscles.
It doesn't put stress on kidneys, except in the tautological way that the kidneys do work. It does not impair kidney function in any way. That is false. You are lying.
Very few bodybuilders out there say that. No large, elite-level bodybuilders say that. You are lying.
Most people cannot get huge on a low protein diet. A few can because they have great genetics. But they would be even more huge on a high-protein diet.
You are factually incorrect on the prison thing.
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