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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
December 29 2013 23:58 GMT
#1421
Yes.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
January 06 2014 02:41 GMT
#1422
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-06 04:26:04
January 06 2014 04:21 GMT
#1423
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.

what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.

parsley is better than Spinach

however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake

best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.

humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.

lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 06 2014 12:04 GMT
#1424
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 06:30:21
January 07 2014 06:26 GMT
#1425
On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.

what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.

parsley is better than Spinach

however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake

best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.

humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.

lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.


The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour.

I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food.

Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.).

Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.).

I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people.

The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc.

As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain.

It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it.

So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's.

On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.


Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest.

Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 07 2014 07:05 GMT
#1426
On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.

what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.

parsley is better than Spinach

however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake

best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.

humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.

lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.


The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour.

I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food.

Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.).

Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.).

I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people.

The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc.

As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain.

It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it.

So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.


Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest.

Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.


You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 07 2014 10:54 GMT
#1427
Some serious grasping going on here
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 07 2014 13:33 GMT
#1428
Someone help me out.

My coach told me to eat around 150 grams of protein dailly but on internet general recommendations are half of that and more, even if you are regulary exercising.

I weight about 82 kg, 187 cm high, and workout 3 days a week with my group (something like crossfit) and play basketball atleast once a week and go to the normal gym at least once a week.

So what amount of protein do you think is sufficient?
sorry for dem one liners
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 13:40:30
January 07 2014 13:40 GMT
#1429
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
January 07 2014 13:46 GMT
#1430
On January 07 2014 16:05 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.

what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.

parsley is better than Spinach

however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake

best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.

humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.

lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.


The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour.

I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food.

Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.).

Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.).

I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people.

The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc.

As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain.

It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it.

So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's.

On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.


Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest.

Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.


You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.


Ignore him, he comes in and makes this argument a few times a year despite all the science we can show him and the distinct lack he has for his arguments.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
January 07 2014 13:54 GMT
#1431
On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.

Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better.
sorry for dem one liners
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 07 2014 17:13 GMT
#1432
On January 07 2014 22:54 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.

Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better.


You still need the protein for building muscle even if you are just wanting an athletic build (I'd say .8-1g per lb which is like 1.6-2g per kilo). The 'buff' look you are thinking of is only obtainable through intentional and strict dieting, workout routines, and often steroids. No one ever accidently gets buff.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 07 2014 18:22 GMT
#1433
On January 08 2014 02:13 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 22:54 NukeD wrote:
On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.

Thank you, that sounds way more reasonable. I am not in any way looking to get buffed, just somewhat of an atletic look. My main focus is stamina so I can play basketball and other sports better.


You still need the protein for building muscle even if you are just wanting an athletic build (I'd say .8-1g per lb which is like 1.6-2g per kilo). The 'buff' look you are thinking of is only obtainable through intentional and strict dieting, workout routines, and often steroids. No one ever accidently gets buff.


+1, just look around all the pencil necks in gym who are actively trying to look buff yet have failed after months and even years at the gym
it iss better to err on the side of consuming a bit of extra protein than being short on it
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10129 Posts
January 07 2014 22:34 GMT
#1434
im going to start with protein, the 1.6-2g per kilo is besides the protein you get in your meals?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
January 07 2014 22:50 GMT
#1435
No, 1-2g per kg total
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 08 2014 02:19 GMT
#1436
Every month someone gets sucked into talking with the SJ photographer guy. lol
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
January 08 2014 06:24 GMT
#1437
On January 07 2014 16:05 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On January 06 2014 13:21 lamprey1 wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


this does not explain the decline in CoQ10 from the average north american diet.

what does explain it is this... people no longer eat liver. it has fallen out of fashion in the past 30 years.
green leafy vegetables are approximately as popular as they were 30 years ago.

parsley is better than Spinach

however,
large organ meat is a far better source than Spinach and parsley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#CoQ10_concentrations_in_foods_and_dietary_intake

best thing to do is to buy your meat from a farmer you know personally.
there are no guarantees, but this minimizes risk.

humans are omnivores, not herbivores.
govern yourself accordingly.
the more variety the better.

lots of different types of meat... this includes chicken live and chicken heart.
lots of different fruits and vegetables.
lots of different nuts seeds and oils.


The decline in CoQ10 is only because most Americans just eat beef and foods with bleached flour.

I don't know of any Americans personally that eat green leafy vegetables every day. Most Americans eat processed junk or fast food.

Also, I'd rather supplement CoQ10 or just get it from green leafy vegetables or both (You have to remember, the animals organs that you eat consumes the CoQ10 from the vegetables so the vegetables themselves contain all of the CoQ10 originally which us humans can consume in it's most purest form by eating the green leafy vegetables.).

Eating meat occasionally is okay but studies have shown that all of the trans fat from the cooked meat, cholesterol, and saturated fat is not good for you as you're eating higher up on the food chain. I'm sure that you can Google studies showing that eating cooked meat is good for you and that the cholesterol scheme is a scam but on the other hand you can also Google up studies showing that smoking helps lower your risk of Alzheimer and Parkinson's disease (I'm not kidding either, look it up.).

I just wanted to point that out a long with the fact that the Okinawa people lived the longest and ate a grain, legume, fruit, vegetable, with meat on rare occasion diet and they were one of the longest lived group of people.

The foods on the lowest end of the food chain are also the most mineral dense and healthiest foods to eat which are the fruits, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc.

As for you saying that humans are omnivores (I agree with you there but it doesn't mean eating meat is healthy, we ate meat for survival purposes only now we can choose to put better foods in our body at our choice.) a dog might be an omnivore as well but if you put him on a plant based diet chances are he will live a much longer life so humans possibly being omnivores has nothing to do with eating lower on the food chain.

It's why Krill oil is so much more expensive than regular fish oil, it's lower on the food chain so you get less toxicity's from consuming it.

So again, hardly anyone eats green leafy vegetables in the states (let alone a decent sized portion of them on a daily or even once a week basis.) and if you believe they do you're kidding yourself unless a small pale piece of lettuce on a cheeseburger from McD count's.

On January 06 2014 21:04 IgnE wrote:
On January 06 2014 11:41 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:50 lamprey1 wrote:
On November 24 2013 00:40 SixStrings wrote:
Okay, I just bought groceries after my new plan, and it's not as dire as I had thought. I should be able to get by with 30€ a week.

So here's what I plan on eating during the week:

2 Eggs for breakfast
1 cup of mixed nuts and cranberries or raisins
2 servings of vegetables (carrots, paprika, cucumber, kohlrabi etc.)
and either one of the three for dinner:
400g of lean chicken (baked, not fried) with salt
1 can of Tunafish with rice
500g of no fat quark with fruit

I haven't counted the calories, but I'd guess that puts me in the 1500~ zone, which should be plenty, but still leave some room to lose weight. Any suggestions?


large organ meat is an important item missing from this.
you should eat liver at least once a week.
also, to insure you cook it correctly do a bit of research.

http://www.canadianliving.com/food/mellow_liver_and_onions.php

the main reason stuff like CoQ10 is "all the rage" is that a lot of people in the west do not eat large organ meat.
liver fills in that gap.

Or you can get green leafy vegetables.

Spinach has a lot of CoQ10.

You have to remember, the foods that come directly from earth are of the highest quality so getting your Omega's and CoQ10 a long with other enzymes is much better from vegetables than meat since you're not ingesting all of the waste that the meat has in it nor all of the cholesterol or trans fatty acids if you cook your meats.


There's nothing wrong with cholesterol and animals don't have transfats in their meat.


Believe what you want but the studies have shown again and again the groups of people that consumed the lowest amount of animal meat lived the longest.

Also, cooked meat (the fat) does have trans fat in it even if it's trace amounts.


You just make a hodgepodge of essentialist arguments with tortured logic based on wisdom from the 1970s. Believe whatever you want. If you want to live a sickly anemic lifestyle that's on you.


What does anemia have to do with this lol?

You can get enough iron eating greens or you can take iron supplements.

Also, I do eat meat but I keep it to a minimum and am trying to eat less and less of it on a monthly basis. These people going around spreading stuff like bacon, eggs, and cheese are a healthy breakfast are kidding themselves and are doing a huge disservice to those that believe in them and can't think for themselves.

All of the nutrients come from the ground up, hence why fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, tubers, and grains will always be superior to meat.

When eating cooked meat you're just eating whatever happened to be stored in that animals muscle tissue after the animal absorbed and utilized the nutrients of whatever plants it ate.

That's why you will never see meats or cheeses that have a high nutrient value. Heck, even a cheap basic tuber like the red potato has much more nutrient value than any kind of meat or cheese out there. Last time I checked one medium sized potato has around 400mg of Potassium (a long with magnesium and other nutrients, even vitamin C if you eat it raw.) which most people are deficient in.

I mean, whens the last time you heard of 12oz of meat having the nutrient density of say 12oz of spinach or even blueberries both of which they're still finding new enzymes and nutrients in.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 06:28:54
January 08 2014 06:26 GMT
#1438
On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.


It'll put stress on his kidneys.

Lot's of body builders out there have been saying that the protein thing is over hyped.

I don't know why so many people worry about their protein or nutritional intake of fat's, carb's, and protein and have to count out all of the grams and everything.

Most of the best athletes and even power lifters from the past and even to this day just listen to their body and eat regular meals.

You can get huge even on a low protein diet.

I'm sure that most of the huge prison inmates aren't supplementing with protein.
SjPhotoGrapher
Profile Joined February 2013
181 Posts
January 08 2014 06:31 GMT
#1439
On January 08 2014 11:19 eshlow wrote:
Every month someone gets sucked into talking with the SJ photographer guy. lol


I feel bad for you because you a long with others believe in bullshit that's only doing harm to yourselves and that eating all of the bacon you want a long with saturated greasy fats is good for your heart.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 06:55:09
January 08 2014 06:43 GMT
#1440
On January 08 2014 15:26 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 22:40 zatic wrote:
Rule of thumb is 1-2g per kg BW for building muscle - since that doesn't seem to be your main focus you can probably get by with the lower range, say about 100g. The 150g won't hurt though either.


It'll put stress on his kidneys.

Lot's of body builders out there have been saying that the protein thing is over hyped.

I don't know why so many people worry about their protein or nutritional intake of fat's, carb's, and protein and have to count out all of the grams and everything.

Most of the best athletes and even power lifters from the past and even to this day just listen to their body and eat regular meals.

You can get huge even on a low protein diet.

I'm sure that most of the huge prison inmates aren't supplementing with protein.


How big are you? Post us some pics of your flexed muscles.

It doesn't put stress on kidneys, except in the tautological way that the kidneys do work. It does not impair kidney function in any way. That is false. You are lying.

Very few bodybuilders out there say that. No large, elite-level bodybuilders say that. You are lying.

Most people cannot get huge on a low protein diet. A few can because they have great genetics. But they would be even more huge on a high-protein diet.

You are factually incorrect on the prison thing.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
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