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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 08:14 GMT
#40741
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.
liftlift > tsm
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 23 2014 08:26 GMT
#40742
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6429 Posts
May 23 2014 08:30 GMT
#40743
Got no advice for you, but yea 2 months is a long time to hide the fact that you have a kid.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 08:36 GMT
#40744
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?
liftlift > tsm
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 23 2014 08:38 GMT
#40745
On May 23 2014 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?


25 in November, but my mother and grandparents have dropped the "Where's the lucky lady" line more times than I care to hear. I guess it's one of those things I didn't think I would have to think about any time soon. Relationships are hard .
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 08:40 GMT
#40746
On May 23 2014 17:38 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?


25 in November, but my mother and grandparents have dropped the "Where's the lucky lady" line more times than I care to hear. I guess it's one of those things I didn't think I would have to think about any time soon. Relationships are hard .

I guess the question is, does she want it to be serious? and are you serious with it?
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 08:46:26
May 23 2014 08:41 GMT
#40747
On May 23 2014 15:30 Frudgey wrote:
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On May 23 2014 15:17 Shelke14 wrote:
Neo don't answer the age question. The less this community knows about you, the better because it allows us to fear the red hammer that much more!

Sidenote: this is the first time in a while that Neo has just posted to be apart of the current topic and give a personal opinion and the guy gets his opinion picked apart. Lol. I foresee the darkness going back into the shadows and not coming out for a long time once again. Hahahah

Haha yeah that's too bad, because personally I like it when the older gentlemen post on these forums. (Wave and Neo) Always interesting to me to hear what someone 10-20 years above my age has to say about a particular topic.

Of course I can't blame Neo for not posting here. Everyone is just too mean to him!

Sometimes he just deserves it, I spend the whole of s2 and some of s3 ranting on Anivia and how I hate her and CLG.eu and get told to ease up on the QQ and here comes Neo simpering a genuine "you hate Anivia? That's surprising."
How could you forget, Neo?! How could you display such neglect of me?
I THOUGHT YOU WERE SO DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE YOU HAD SUCH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, SUCH HIGH HOPES FOR ME.
That's it, we're done. You're dead to me, don't you ever dare to try and win me back.

I thought you were just cheeky with the 20 years above comment though, Frudgey.

On May 23 2014 17:38 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?


25 in November, but my mother and grandparents have dropped the "Where's the lucky lady" line more times than I care to hear. I guess it's one of those things I didn't think I would have to think about any time soon. Relationships are hard .

The tattlers in my family believe I'm gay. I may or may not have opened a whole bunch of doors for them to trip into for my own entertainment and ridiculing of their meddling.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 12:20:19
May 23 2014 09:55 GMT
#40748
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.


+ Show Spoiler +
You aren't selfish or crazy for wanting to know about it sooner. It's just a really shit situation for both parties. She's in a situation where she may scare away potential guys if she tells them too early but then if she doesn't do it early when is the right time? 2 months sounds like a long time but if you think about it's really not that long. It's long for a casual relationship but almost no time for something serious. Don't think you should jump to the conclusion that if she hid this she must be hiding more or could hide more. Being a 20 something single mother is rather different than being a 30 something single mother.

You sound like you are on top of the situation anyway. Didn't freak out and kept talking about it which is all anyone can do. It's something you can just talk about with her and figure out what you both want out of the relationship.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 10:19:09
May 23 2014 09:59 GMT
#40749
On May 23 2014 16:44 Cixah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Girl Problems] +
I've had a couple days to mull this over, but I haven't really come to a decision because of how much it means to more than just me.

I've been dating Dani for close to 2 months now. We would always meet at neutral locations or hang out at my place or whatever, which didn't really bother me. Wednesday night I decide that we should get dinner because I ended up getting out of work early and since I was on her side of town I text her and let her know I'm coming over to see if I couldn't cook dinner or whatever for her because she had been having a long day. She's not really open to it happening because it seems like she's hiding something, which turns out to be true because she has a kid who is 5 and hadn't brought him up at all during any of the dates we have had.

It's not a total deal breaker (the kid is adorable, and really well mannered.) but I'm kind of upset that she wanted to hide it from me. We've been talking so it's not like the whole thing is broken off, but I feel like something like a kid people would be upfront about in a relationship. I understand the stigma she has most likely had in the past about the whole kid thing, but I feel like not telling me is just the tip of the iceberg. Is she hiding more? If so what?

It's likely that I'm just paranoid and have nothing to worry about, but I am kinda hurt that she wouldn't tell me sooner. Am I really that crazy/selfish that I should have assumed that this would have been brought up sooner? Were going to lunch today so I'll see her then and I'm sure we'll have a conversation as the whole Brother Getting Arrested thing interrupted our dinner, but for the most part Wednesday between us has been radio silent. Thoughts?


+ Show Spoiler +
I agree with the uncertainty about more in hiding. I personally think asking clearly is the absolute best route, but maybe check around a bit first, if there's a discreet way of donig that.... eh.
Why hadn't she told you?
I can think of two viable non-bullshit answers, try to think of some of your own.
Also, tell her how you feel disappointed, but really, scrutinizing yourself, wouldn't it have been an "eeeh" thing if 'twas up on the first date?
You also have a bit of confidence to invest in her to convince her that you are not of your brothers ilk in "that" regard at least.
Finally, you have to consider your economic situation. We know you got your horrible job from an economic need, how would you feel about supporting a kid (which I think would be expected?).
Edit: Also, two months can go by in a blink if you're excited.

Edit: In other news, I caved in to Dark souls. we'll see, I'm glad my mouse works and can be reconfigured.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 11:51:51
May 23 2014 11:42 GMT
#40750
On May 23 2014 16:44 Cixah wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Girl Problems] +
I've had a couple days to mull this over, but I haven't really come to a decision because of how much it means to more than just me.

I've been dating Dani for close to 2 months now. We would always meet at neutral locations or hang out at my place or whatever, which didn't really bother me. Wednesday night I decide that we should get dinner because I ended up getting out of work early and since I was on her side of town I text her and let her know I'm coming over to see if I couldn't cook dinner or whatever for her because she had been having a long day. She's not really open to it happening because it seems like she's hiding something, which turns out to be true because she has a kid who is 5 and hadn't brought him up at all during any of the dates we have had.

It's not a total deal breaker (the kid is adorable, and really well mannered.) but I'm kind of upset that she wanted to hide it from me. We've been talking so it's not like the whole thing is broken off, but I feel like something like a kid people would be upfront about in a relationship. I understand the stigma she has most likely had in the past about the whole kid thing, but I feel like not telling me is just the tip of the iceberg. Is she hiding more? If so what?

It's likely that I'm just paranoid and have nothing to worry about, but I am kinda hurt that she wouldn't tell me sooner. Am I really that crazy/selfish that I should have assumed that this would have been brought up sooner? Were going to lunch today so I'll see her then and I'm sure we'll have a conversation as the whole Brother Getting Arrested thing interrupted our dinner, but for the most part Wednesday between us has been radio silent. Thoughts?

+ Show Spoiler +
First of all, don't introspect and think it's about you. Meaning that she doesn't think you're crazy or selfish Cixah, but rather she's more worried about what others in general think about her having a kid. She probably did want to tell you about her kid at times but didn't have the courage to do so. Be able to understand why she did it.

The next thing I want to talk about is trust. It takes a lot to put yourself out there, to be vulnerable with the important things in one's personal life. Most people can't put parts of their lives in the hands of someone else. Embarrassment, shame, things that make us weak.
Dani had issues telling you hers. If you want this relationship to move forward, you need to express your disappointment. Clear the air and tell her she shouldn't have to worry about this issue. You need to have a serious talk about how much you and Dani want to disclose to each other at this current stage of your relationship. Get it out in the open that there isn't an iceberg waiting for you. This is an opportunity for you two to clear things up about yourselves as individuals.

Even though she wronged you by not telling, you have to be the supportive one here in the relationship. Console her that you'd still be with her, even if she has a kid. That is undoubtedly her biggest fear right now, you leaving now that you know she has a kid. No one is asking you to step up to be a dad but she needs to know that this kid of hers isn't some dealbreaker between you and her (idk if it is for you, Cixah). It would have been nice if she told you upfront that she has a kid. Some single moms can do that, wear the fact that they're a single mom on their sleeves. But not all moms can do that.

Lastly, two months doesn't seem that long about keeping a kid a secret, especially if there wasn't a talk about openess. Ideally, she could've/should've told you about the kid earlier but we don't live in an ideal world. It's just how it is imo. I consider this a regular speed bump in any relationship. It's up to you how to handle it. What is it that you want and how are you going to approach it?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 23 2014 12:26 GMT
#40751
@Frudgey - old man Neo is old, but I'm fairly certain he's not quite 30 yet lol.

On May 23 2014 17:38 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?


25 in November, but my mother and grandparents have dropped the "Where's the lucky lady" line more times than I care to hear. I guess it's one of those things I didn't think I would have to think about any time soon. Relationships are hard .


Yeah, I get this sometimes too, but more from my dad. It's weird because the world has changed - people aren't getting hitched to their high school sweethearts as frequently anymore, and I think that's something that past generations are just used to and think it's weird when we don't.

Compound the fact that my second sister and brother in law dated for ~10 years (met in college) and just got married, and my closest brother is dating his best friend from middle/high school. Every once in a while I'll get the "so...anything new happening?" question that I know what the underlying question is. *shrug* my dad was married and had his first kid by 21, so I think his expectations are a little high lol

But I think so far you've handled your "issue" well. I'm not at a point in my life that I could support a kid, although I love kids and am really good with them. Two months might seem like a long time, but I guess it really depends on how often you guys see each other. I mostly agree with Neo - don't make her feel like it's something she should be ashamed about. If there are other things she's wary about sharing with you, she needs to know it's ok to communicate.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 23 2014 12:27 GMT
#40752
On May 23 2014 15:57 red_ wrote:
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On May 23 2014 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 23 2014 15:09 Frudgey wrote:
Wait Neo do you like any of the DC movies? And are you more of a Marvel person or DC person?

I think it's pretty cool that you grew up with Marvel. I did as well, but instead of collecting cards (How old are you? I don't even remember Marvel cards!) I grew up on the 1990's animated series and some comic books.

Anyone remember these?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I didn't play the card game, just bought some packs because they looked badass and were Marvel related. I did that with a bunch of TCG's actually because I really liked the art of some of them, and I was really into art in my teens. I give a lot of credit to my sketch ability(that I've probably since lost due to not practicing anymore) when I was younger to just copying the art off of cards, D&D monster manual art, and magazine pages until I was good enough to start putting the images from my own head onto paper.

Did the same thing, that game was what first introduced me to Azrael who I thought looked super BA. I've named a couple characters in games after him but I never read any of the comics he's in lol.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 23 2014 13:12 GMT
#40753
On May 23 2014 14:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On May 23 2014 14:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 23 2014 14:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
I have and probably will continue to watch the movies, cause why not? I think what bothers me the most is how they portray certain characters. (e.g. Nightcrawler, Rogue, etc).

What's wrong with having the movies stick to the source material? I understand the movies need to be capped at two hours and there is a need to cut certain things in a particular story arc. But I mean, the comics are what made Marvel popular in the first place, so why deviate?

This is weirdly the most closed minded post I've ever seen you post lol. You say it like Marvel is in complete control of the movies when it's really the studios. Marvel owns the characters but people like Bryan Singer are telling the story. I don't see anything wrong with directors and writers putting their own spin on known arcs.

Why is it close minded? I'm simply expressing my opinion here, that I'm not a fan of the Marvel movies, for reasons previously stated. I'm apparently in the minority and I'm ok with that. How does that make me close minded? I never said the rest of you couldn't enjoy it cause I don't.

zzz

Edit: To clarify further, like red_, I do like the IM series, I enjoyed the Avengers for the most part, I haven't caught up with the Cpt. American movies. Thor1 was ok. X-men will forever be garbage in my eyes (DoFP I obv haven't watched yet).

I guess close minded was a little harsh. I just can't see myself having that mindset despite also being a fan of comics. Your reason for disliking Xmen is on a fundamental level which is a shame because I think they are really good comic book movies (First Class and Days specifically). Again, First Class is probably my favorite comic book movie though so I have a compulsion to defend it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
May 23 2014 13:13 GMT
#40754
wow the dark souls has wierd as fuck controls - you direct movement direction with camera, but fight with body facing.
Also how do you get decent framerate >.<
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 23 2014 13:26 GMT
#40755
On May 23 2014 22:13 Duvon wrote:
wow the dark souls has wierd as fuck controls - you direct movement direction with camera, but fight with body facing.
Also how do you get decent framerate >.<


Uh, if you're using mouse and keyboard I pity you heavily. It's basically impossible to do so. There are framerate fixes online somewhere, but they aren't perfect. The devs of the game were REALLY lazy when porting to PC
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 23 2014 13:56 GMT
#40756
On May 23 2014 22:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 22:13 Duvon wrote:
wow the dark souls has wierd as fuck controls - you direct movement direction with camera, but fight with body facing.
Also how do you get decent framerate >.<


Uh, if you're using mouse and keyboard I pity you heavily. It's basically impossible to do so. There are framerate fixes online somewhere, but they aren't perfect. The devs of the game were REALLY lazy when porting to PC

Can confirm, playing DS with 2hand on keyboard made me really cranky in just about before I even started playing
Seriously, screw that so impossible to control
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
May 23 2014 13:59 GMT
#40757
If the relationship with her is going really awesome and you can see a future with her, I say give it a chance. If not, ditch and move on. No more duoQ, get back into solo mode.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 23 2014 14:10 GMT
#40758
6ah I'd give you some papa wave advice but you've got some excellent stuff so far.
Not to mention I have basically zero dating experience.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 23 2014 14:12 GMT
#40759
I'm so freaking hype for Janus.

If anyone was on the fence for whether or not they wanted to play smite, this god PLAYS WITH PORTALS
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 23 2014 14:13 GMT
#40760
On May 23 2014 17:40 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:38 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:36 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:26 Cixah wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:14 wei2coolman wrote:
kid is one of those "dealbreakers" in relationships. can't really blame a girl for wanting to hide it.


I get that, but 2 months is kind of a long time. I'm pretty surprised I didn't pick up on it over the course of the 2 months to be honest. She hasn't out right told me as far as I can tell, nor can I think of anything that would have tipped me off to her kid.

It's one of those things... Like, if you don't tell in like the first few dates, then you generally just don't tell for the rest of it until it's found out. Cuz if you ain't upfront with it right away, there's just no good time after that.

Not quite sure how old you are, but i'm guessing approaching the "marriage and kids" age?


25 in November, but my mother and grandparents have dropped the "Where's the lucky lady" line more times than I care to hear. I guess it's one of those things I didn't think I would have to think about any time soon. Relationships are hard .

I guess the question is, does she want it to be serious? and are you serious with it?

Honestly this is the real question in my mind. How do you both view the relationship? Once you reach a serious point between the two of you, she should tell you. But if these two months have been just fun, seeing movies, going bowling, hooking up (I don't know, fill in the blanks) - then maybe she hasn't felt like it's the sort of relationship where she needs to tell you yet.

If you're serious about making this a long term relationship, tell her that hiding things isn't conducive to that. If she doesn't think it's important to tell you and she views it as a causal relationship, then that's not your fault. You just both want different things out of the relationship.

If you're both on that same page, then it's really her responsibility to be truthful with you. If you're both just keeping it casual, then there's no real pressure on her to show you the inside of her life. So... talk to her about what the two of you want out of the relationship. I mean, I don't know you, maybe you just want a casual thing and don't think too much about the future, which is totally cool if you're like that, but don't expect her to bring you into her world until she knows you're in it for the long haul.

And even then, she won't tell you everything right off the bat. I mean, hiding having a kid is pretty big (even worse if you asked and she said she didn't have any), but trust is gained, not given to the title of "boyfriend". Once you say you want to be serious, she doesn't know that it's real until you show it.

It took 8 months before my girlfriend told me she loved me. It wasn't until she told me about her previous depression and self-harm and I held her, crying, in the middle of a mall parking lot before she trusted that I wasn't going to leave her, and that's when she said it for the first time. People have a hard time trusting strangers, even strangers they're intimate with.

Having a child is her life. It's the life of any parent. It's a massive part of what makes them a person. Maybe she was scared you'd judge her over that. Maybe she was scared that this level of commitment in a relationship would drive you away. Maybe having a kid has ruined her relationships in the past. You don't really know until she trusts you enough to tell you. And if you want to be serious with this woman, you'll understand that and do your damnedest to prove that you're someone worth trusting. And once you do, things will never be the same.
It's your boy Guzma!
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