On May 06 2021 20:49 Xain0n wrote: Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.
Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss. Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.
As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak. I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached. He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months... Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that. He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.
Haha, yeah, cry more please. Someone please ask him who is the best Terran in the world if its not Maru so he can say its Clem. Because he wins EU weeklies! And he beat Serral a few times, what a GOAT
tbf Clem has the potential to become the best terran given his potential but right now he hasn't shown up at the big stages yet so he can't have a claim at the title of best terran
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
On May 06 2021 20:49 Xain0n wrote: Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.
Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss. Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.
As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak. I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached. He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months... Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that. He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.
Haha, yeah, cry more please. Someone please ask him who is the best Terran in the world if its not Maru so he can say its Clem. Because he wins EU weeklies! And he beat Serral a few times, what a GOAT
tbf Clem has the potential to become the best terran given his potential but right now he hasn't shown up at the big stages yet so he can't have a claim at the title of best terran
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
On May 06 2021 20:49 Xain0n wrote: Such absolute trash, I expected more from a TvZ final.
Some of you called Maru the best Terran in the world... he definitely isn't, at least not in this matchup; it looks like he isn't that good at winning Code S finals when there isn't Jin Air feeding him strategies, or maybe he's just extremely good against Protoss. Thus said, with his OSL and his Super Tournament, the G5L trophy should have already been given to him.
As for Rogue, Dream generously donated him this final and allowed him to keep his bo7 streak. I personally can't stand how Rogue keeps dominating finals he shouldn't have reached. He won Katowice 2020 and this Code S while not being the best player, he didn't even look dominating like he did at times while not being busy looking Z class for months... Rogue is the clutchest player to have ever played Sc2 and has the most prestigious collection of trophies but he's not the GOAT, there is no body of work behind that. He is the best korean Zerg but his finals are so terrible to watch, I think I'll feel relieved when the korean army call him.
Haha, yeah, cry more please. Someone please ask him who is the best Terran in the world if its not Maru so he can say its Clem. Because he wins EU weeklies! And he beat Serral a few times, what a GOAT
tbf Clem has the potential to become the best terran given his potential but right now he hasn't shown up at the big stages yet so he can't have a claim at the title of best terran
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
Haha, yeah, cry more please. Someone please ask him who is the best Terran in the world if its not Maru so he can say its Clem. Because he wins EU weeklies! And he beat Serral a few times, what a GOAT
tbf Clem has the potential to become the best terran given his potential but right now he hasn't shown up at the big stages yet so he can't have a claim at the title of best terran
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
Edit: Maru and Rogue were more dominant than most champions of the past, especially compared to SC2 itself.
On May 06 2021 21:02 Charoisaur wrote: [quote] tbf Clem has the potential to become the best terran given his potential but right now he hasn't shown up at the big stages yet so he can't have a claim at the title of best terran
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
i disagree. Maru and Rogue are more dominant than champions of the past.
I agree. I call them the Flash and Jaedong of this game and I don't say that lightly.
Game 1 was bad luck with mine shots and Maru's simcity let the roaches get a concave around the natural and kept the marines balled up. But I think this is almost a build order loss. Maru played it as safe as possible by building tanks with the tech lab factory instead of mines
Game 2 was bad luck with Rogue remaxing on roach instead of going up to 80 drone. Rogue's decision doesn't make much sense because if Maru stayed at home Rogue's army would have been smashed again for 0 gain. It was just a gamble from both players
Game 3 Maru's scout was just a bit too late. 10sec faster and he would have had bunkers
Game 4 Rogue did an earlier version of the roach all-in and Maru countered it taking near 0 damage because it wasn't as good a timing. Terran can be very vulnerable taking their 3rd
Game 5 was instant loss because of the baneling runby. He probably thought his depots were raised at his 3rd and could afford some APM to chase the mutas
This is not some crazy new strat from Rogue, Maru would have been a lot safer with a 2 banshee opening
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
i disagree. Maru and Rogue are more dominant than champions of the past.
I agree. I call them the Flash and Jaedong of this game and I don't say that lightly.
I would say Maru and Rogue have been close to as dominant as Jaedong and many of the other greats in BW but Flash was truly something else. Winning 4 out of 6 starleagues and being in the finals for the other 2 will probably never be matched. Maru did win 4 gsls in a row, which is also very impressive but it was in a less competitive era and he didn't do great in weekend tournaments, which have to count.
Clem and Reynor will be the Flash and Jaedong of Starcraft 2.... eventually. They arent there yet. Some day they will be, but awarding them that now is just being unfair to the other great players who are playing the game.
How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
i disagree. Maru and Rogue are more dominant than champions of the past.
I agree. I call them the Flash and Jaedong of this game and I don't say that lightly.
Yeah, well at this point I'd say let's agree to disagree.
On May 06 2021 21:08 deacon.frost wrote: [quote] How? IF Blizzard doesn't pay for another years of SC2 content the Korean scene IMO crashes like a house of cards.
And why does that matter? even if you're right (and I hope you're not) Flash is the GOAT of SC1 and Korea is the only one with a real pro scene for Brood War. If Flash can be the GOAT of Brood War why can't Clem and Reynor be the GOATS of SC2?
Flash was made GOAT of BW during an era when they could still pack stadiums for finals, and there were multiple hardcore KESPA teams. I don't know one way or another about what'll happen to the Korean SC2 scene, or what kind of respect Reynor and Clem will ultimately get in the GOAT conversation, but the comparison you're making doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Consider what I said. I don't think Clem and Reynor are at Flash's level. Of course they aren't. But someday. SOMEDAY they might be. I'm banking on their potential. They are better now than Maru was at their age. Maru who is the closest to a Flash of SC2 we have RIGHT NOW. Some day in the future. Clem and Reynor might pull it off. I'm not sure if they will but maybe?
Didn't Maru already won SSL and OSL at 19? And no, sc2 peak is behind us so they indeed don't have the time. Them winning international tournaments when 80% of top koreans stopped due to military service won't make them Flash-level gods in sc2... Maru already won a lot even before his 2018 epic run, when korea was at its peak. Rogue wasn't as good during the kespa era, so that plays against him, but he is performing very well after that.
Finals was very disappointing though, Maru needed to survive the roach allins because Jaganatha / Romanticide would be muta hell...
As far as I am concerned Maru is already the Flash of SC2. Winning that stupid G5L trophy would just convince the doubters of that. There are some of them in this thread.
The ultimate problem with SC2 is that players simply don't seem to be able to consistently perform that well (and by that I mean long streaks of domination against the competition, so pretty much being unbeatable). SC2 is way more volatile compared to BW so as sad as that might be we simply will never have a 'Flash of SC2'.
I really consider Maru to be the best SC2 player, but even he can't consistently manage these coin-flip situations.
i disagree. Maru and Rogue are more dominant than champions of the past.
I agree. I call them the Flash and Jaedong of this game and I don't say that lightly.
I would say Maru and Rogue have been close to as dominant as Jaedong and many of the other greats in BW but Flash was truly something else. Winning 4 out of 6 starleagues and being in the finals for the other 2 will probably never be matched. Maru did win 4 gsls in a row, which is also very impressive but it was in a less competitive era and he didn't do great in weekend tournaments, which have to count.
Flash is a god, there will never ever be anyone that good ever again. If I say "the Flash" of SC2, i mean it's the closest anyone can come to that level of greatness.
Big Maru fan here, and I think he played very carelessly in the Final today. It was looked like, to me, that he just went thorugh the motion of TvZ, without any real strategy in the early game other than the Widow Mines + Helion run-by. He had no idea what was coming to hit him until it was outside of the door, and were losing most of the games because of the lack of vision.
On May 06 2021 22:35 LemonyTang wrote: If Maru would simply go mech he would have won easily.
There's a reason pros almost never go mech in TvZ. It's just inferior to bio.
apparently though, bio is inferior to roach ravager.
Mech cant fight a thing in early game, you dont have enough Cyclone and Tank count to fight the Roach before you get into 3rd base with 3 Factories. The main things is to have a couple of Banshee around, and a Viking to get rid of the Overlord vision on high-ground.
On May 06 2021 22:50 tigera6 wrote: Big Maru fan here, and I think he played very carelessly in the Final today. It was looked like, to me, that he just went thorugh the motion of TvZ, without any real strategy in the early game other than the Widow Mines + Helion run-by. He had no idea what was coming to hit him until it was outside of the door, and were losing most of the games because of the lack of vision.
Exactly. Rogue just seemed better prepared. We have to remember that these guys know each other a lot. How many times was Maru caught off-guard by early aggression or various types of all-ins with Roaches or Mutas. His "careless" goofy attitude and lack of game sense or game perception has always been his biggest weakness. Basically what is stopping him from being absolute undisputed best player who ever touched the game and is "only" kinda the best.
Obviously Rogue knows that and strategy and game sense being on opposite his absolute biggest strengths he just knew what to do to completely nullify and destabilize Maru. Even though he gifted him 1 game it was obvious Maru was super tilted, he played worse and worse as the series went on and completely crumbled in the last game.
On May 06 2021 18:13 stilt wrote: Rogue is supposedly strong in bo7 but I expect a victory for Maru, not only because of their recent opposition but the map pool is hard for Z.
What a analyst x) GG sexi boi !
That said, Maru seemed to be caught off guard/out of position a bit too much by roach/ravagers.
It felt like the lack of finals wins against a strong Terran (the best one at that) left a bit of an asterisk on his BO7 prowess, but after today there's no doubt: Rogue is the best BO7 strategic mastermind SC2 has seen. When Life left the scene, I thought we'd never see that kind of killer instinct in SC2 again, but here we are.
I didn't expect Rogue to do it, but damn am I impressed and happy to be a Rogue fan today.
Are there no vetos of the maps? Only managed to catch glimpses today. How could he choose to play on Jagannatha? It is free muta reign, didn't we use to call it zerganatha?
EPT
