On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) - this one was especially bad, as Inca tried like 4 different failed DT rushes. To this day, his name is still synonymous with DTs 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-0 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) - just a ZvZ clinic by Nestea over his Zerg teammate 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
I remember finding that Super Tournament with Polt and MMA pretty interesting, despite the score. It was the first time we saw infantry winning against sieged tank lines through good micro, IIRC.
On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-2 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
I don't remember most of these series very well, but I remember Jjakji vs Leenock being extremely exciting and intense, each most games being a very different kind of game and many of them putting them through crazy situations and both players trying every little thing to clutch it. It was so exciting that I keep forgetting it didn't actually get to G7.
It's definitely in my top GSL finals ever, probably Top 5.
Me too, super fond memories of that one. Wasn't it the one where Jjakjji put marines on top of burried units and blew them up with siege tanks?
On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-2 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
I don't remember most of these series very well, but I remember Jjakji vs Leenock being extremely exciting and intense, each most games being a very different kind of game and many of them putting them through crazy situations and both players trying every little thing to clutch it. It was so exciting that I keep forgetting it didn't actually get to G7.
It's definitely in my top GSL finals ever, probably Top 5.
Me too, super fond memories of that one. Wasn't it the one where Jjakjji put marines on top of burried units and blew them up with siege tanks?
YEP, something like that, and also he was floating buildings around at one point trying to make it harder for Leenock to see/target fire, etc. Really forced to use every little thing possible to help.
On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) - this one was especially bad, as Inca tried like 4 different failed DT rushes. To this day, his name is still synonymous with DTs 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-0 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) - just a ZvZ clinic by Nestea over his Zerg teammate 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
I remember finding that Super Tournament with Polt and MMA pretty interesting, despite the score. It was the first time we saw infantry winning against sieged tank lines through good micro, IIRC.
Ooh shit, now I remember! It was when the triangle was complete, MMA > MVP > Polt > MMA. MVP's Mech, MMA's Marine Tank, and Polt's pure Bio style. It was a pretty time to be a proud fan, seeing such diversity of unit comps.
It's too bad we don't see that in TvT anymore. We get lots of different viable units and strategies for sure, but it would be cool to see "Mech vs Marine Tank vs Pure Bio" dynamic again.
That game on oxide is so fucking dumb. Rogue loses first fight then stays on 66 drones and remaxes. Literally the only way he could win is if maru moved out and thats exactly what happened. Game 1 is a straight up build order loss and maru still hanged on for some time. Sorry but maru is the better player, rogue got quite lucky this series
On May 07 2021 04:09 Obamarauder wrote: That game on oxide is so fucking dumb. Rogue loses first fight then stays on 66 drones and remaxes. Literally the only way he could win is if maru moved out and thats exactly what happened. Game 1 is a straight up build order loss and maru still hanged on for some time. Sorry but maru is the better player, rogue got quite lucky this series
Rogue probably read that Maru would think Rogue would go back and drone and not do the same thing twice, and so he just remaxed and waited for Maru to be out of position and then attacked.
The usual band of foreigner fanboys and Rogue haters have gathered once again, to enlighten us all on how bad and terrible the #1 in SC2 earnings and best Zerg of all time is. I'm glad they're here to teach us that winning the most prestigious tournaments in the world over and over again doesn't make a player good. You should all gather and write part 2 of the ''Rogue Patchzerg'' article.
On May 07 2021 04:20 Morbidius wrote: The usual band of foreigner fanboys and Rogue haters have gathered once again, to enlighten us all on how bad and terrible the #1 in SC2 earnings and best Zerg of all time is. I'm glad they're here to teach us that winning the most prestigious tournaments in the world over and over again doesn't make a player good. You should all gather and write part 2 of the ''Rogue Patchzerg'' article.
But... But... Clem would crush him. He is just lucky to keep avoiding him, or top Terrans in general. Maru is a noob compared to mighty Clem. If Serral Reynor or Clem decided to play GSL they would easily win every time ! And how many HSC or similar premieres has Rogue won? Ha ! Got you there, deluded fanboy
On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-2 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
Just checked Rogue liquidpedia. Holy **** he really has done it all hasn´t he?
- 2x 1st GSL Super
So Rogue winner of the next Super Tournament already confirmed?
On May 07 2021 04:20 Morbidius wrote: The usual band of foreigner fanboys and Rogue haters have gathered once again, to enlighten us all on how bad and terrible the #1 in SC2 earnings and best Zerg of all time is. I'm glad they're here to teach us that winning the most prestigious tournaments in the world over and over again doesn't make a player good. You should all gather and write part 2 of the ''Rogue Patchzerg'' article.
But... But... Clem would crush him. He is just lucky to keep avoiding him, or top Terrans in general. Maru is a noob compared to mighty Clem. If Serral Reynor or Clem decided to play GSL they would easily win every time ! And how many HSC or similar premieres has Rogue won? Ha ! Got you there, deluded fanboy
Clem just won an online late night tournament, now that's the mark of a good player. 3 GSLs and a Katowice in a year and half aren't enough to justify being called good.
On May 07 2021 02:48 SmoKim wrote: haven't seen this much passion on TL.net in a long time Bless bad GSL finals Still can´t believe they had the finals on a thursday, Maybe they knew what was comming GG Rogue, Maru will win soon enough
We had a long stretch of pretty bad / one-sided GSL finals in 2011
2010 Open Season 3 (MC 4-1 Rain) 2011 Jan (Mvp 4-1 MKP) 2011 Mar (MC 4-1 July) 2011 GSL vs. World (Mvp 4-2 MKP) 2011 May (Nestea 4-0 Inca) 2011 Super Tournament (Polt 4-2 MMA) 2011 Jul (Nestea 4-0 Losira) 2011 Aug (Mvp 4-1 TOP) 2011 Oct (MMA 4-1 Mvp) -> this was considered a "fun" GSL finals 2011 Nov (Jjakji 4-2 Leenock) -> very nice back-and-forth series 2011 Blizzard Cup (MMA 4-3 DRG) -> now this was an epic finals, still probably one of the best Bo7 series in SC2 history
I am still sad that July didn´t win vs MC
Just checked Rogue liquidpedia. Holy **** he really has done it all hasn´t he?
- 1st IEM Shanghai - 2x 1st GSL Super - 1st IEM World Championship - 1st WCS Global Finals - 1st IEM Katowice - 3x 1st GSL
Thats 9 Premier wins. Is Rogue the Jaedong of SC2? Guess that depend if he keeps Roach allin winning the next year onwards.
Imagine if Rogue meets Maru the next 2 season finals, winning the next once again, and then the battle for G5L in Season 3? Now that is hype
Two Super Tournaments? There must be something wrong. Jaedong in Brood War was both consistent and dominant, the undisputed best Zerg of his era unlike Rogue.
You'd better hope that Rogue never reaches another final, at least not another bo7 offline final, considering how unpleasant they are to watch; he's also already 27.
Rogue has won 8 absolutely top tier premier tournaments in 4 years, winning many of the finals in dominating fashion, and in the time period of basically 1 expansion became the highest earning SC2 pro. How is their any dispute as to whether he's the best Zerg of his era? What LotV Zerg has a record that actually matches that? Neither Serral nor Dark have nearly the number of equally prestigious wins under their belts from this time.
And despite being 27 he still has some of the best multitasking in the world, so once he cleans off this post-win hangover I'm sure we'll see another crap final out of him
On May 07 2021 04:09 Obamarauder wrote: That game on oxide is so fucking dumb. Rogue loses first fight then stays on 66 drones and remaxes. Literally the only way he could win is if maru moved out and thats exactly what happened. Game 1 is a straight up build order loss and maru still hanged on for some time. Sorry but maru is the better player, rogue got quite lucky this series
I bet other top players wished they got lucky 4 times in every offline premier best of 7 they've ever played
Also game 2 was dumb, sure. But game 1 was a very well executed play by Rogue, perfect deflection of early pressure without revealing roaches. He even managed to hide his first round of roaches from the scan. I don't really see any single way Rogue could have played that better, and Maru was pretty complacent in his information gathering.
Games 3 and 5 Rogue just played better. They were long games, Maru knew what was happening (or should have anyway), and he still just got rolled. I don't know what kind of goggles you need to watch those games and think "yup, Maru is playing better here" while said player is repeatedly missing slow runbys and in-vision nydus worms on the minimap.
Maru's great, and his overall record is arguably the best of any SC2 player, but today even just the eye test, let alone the score, was all Rogue.
Godamnit, my disappointment in Trap losing I’d expected to be mitigated by a high class TvZ finals… I actually think Trap in a PvZ would have been tighter series.
Rogue’s clearly a great though, albeit a strange one I find it hard to place. Because he drags games to a certain weird zone, he rarely exhibits outstanding play vs an outstanding opponent on the day.
Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
He has the wins though in all the prestige tournaments.
It’s curious though I mean, historically thru to now soO was a monster, Dark to me just going back to now feels like a better, scarier player than Rogue in general.
But Rogue keeps winning things, often via awful series. He has the trophies, he has that insane Bo7 record.
Even when I feel soO and Dark were indisputably better in terms of results, Rogue wasn’t a million miles away and was always a great player.
Not his fault but Rogue’s wins generally have, absolutely sucked. He doesn’t have a titantic series for the ages like Mvp vs Squirtle, or a really high quality series akin to Maru and Dark’s ST showdown, or even the storyline of converting Kong status to wins like soO or a Trap to make things memorable.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
EPT
Bless bad GSL finals
