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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On May 07 2021 07:00 Obamarauder wrote: Someone just said Rogue is better than Serral? I don’t even like Serral but that statement is hilarious LOL Look at their records. Serral winning a bunch of tournaments where Koreans weren't allowed to compete is the only reason there is even a discussion. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 07 2021 06:55 WombaT wrote: Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme. Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"? This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here. I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1718 Posts
On May 07 2021 03:35 neutralrobot wrote: I remember finding that Super Tournament with Polt and MMA pretty interesting, despite the score. It was the first time we saw infantry winning against sieged tank lines through good micro, IIRC. MMA DRG omg... GOAT series | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46531 Posts
On May 07 2021 07:00 Obamarauder wrote: Someone just said Rogue is better than Serral? I don’t even like Serral but that statement is hilarious LOL Why is it hilarious? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 07 2021 08:07 hiroshOne wrote: It's so funny to read...When Maru wins vs Zerg with mostly proxy rax every game- WHAT A FANTASTIC PLAYER, WHAT A SKILL AND MICRO, TACTICAL GENIUS. No one says this, you're making up a fake persona to try and counter people's justified frustration. People praise Maru for his skill and micro all the time, but not whenever he gets a quick win with proxies, in fact they usually criticise it. If Maru went up 3-0 doing a proxy rax allin every game people would be calling shit and it would be boring to watch. Sadly that's never happened. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 07 2021 07:15 QOGQOG wrote: Look at their records. Serral winning a bunch of tournaments where Koreans weren't allowed to compete is the only reason there is even a discussion. Serral is a better player. Rogue is better at winning tournaments. It's been this way for the last 4 years. If you made all players play a hundreds of games against each other and saw who came out on top, Serral probably does. But if you put each player into a single series against someone they know and said you win it or go home, Rogue wins that over anyone else. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On May 07 2021 09:17 sudete wrote: Calling roach all-ins abusive certainly feels like a throwback. It's not Rogue's fault that Maru chose to make dumb decisions especially on Oxide Dumb decision? Rogue was the one that took a huge gamble | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46531 Posts
On May 07 2021 09:47 Fango wrote: Serral is a better player. Rogue is better at winning tournaments. It's been this way for the last 4 years. If you made all players play a hundreds of games against each other and saw who came out on top, Serral probably does. But if you put each player into a single series against someone they know and said you win it or go home, Rogue wins that over anyone else. So when it comes to the games that matter, Rogue is the better player? | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States758 Posts
Just for my personal taste, I mean this is personal anyway. just chipping in my 5 cents. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 07 2021 09:47 Fango wrote: Serral is a better player. Rogue is better at winning tournaments. It's been this way for the last 4 years. If you made all players play a hundreds of games against each other and saw who came out on top, Serral probably does. But if you put each player into a single series against someone they know and said you win it or go home, Rogue wins that over anyone else. So Rogue is better at the only thing that pays any money in Starcraft? The very thing that makes Starcraft a competitive profession? The thing every SC2 pro devotes his entire time to win? Serral can keep his 9k mmr, no one gives a fuck and no one will pay him a zimbabwe dollar cent over it. You all sound just like Artosis/Idra claiming that he's better than the Protoss who just beat him, because if the game was a NR20 he would win. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On May 07 2021 10:14 Morbidius wrote: So Rogue is better at the only thing that pays any money in Starcraft? The very thing that makes Starcraft a competitive profession? The thing every SC2 pro devotes his entire time to win? Serral can keep his 9k mmr, no one gives a fuck and no one will pay him a zimbabwe dollar cent over it. You all sound just like Artosis/Idra claiming that he's better than the Protoss who just beat him, because if the game was a NR20 he would win. I mean they both won 900K, it's not like it worked out that much better for Rogue, one won multiple big tournament, the other hasn't had a bad finish in 3 years in any tournament. And I'd say being probably the best Starcraft player ever is pretty sweet on its own when you spend your whole life playing the game. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 07 2021 07:27 Xain0n wrote: Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"? This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here. I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired. come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread? On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals. it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On May 07 2021 12:28 Whatson wrote: come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread? it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyton Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense. | ||
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Niravroh
165 Posts
Outside of those two championships, the next most prestigious tournament is GSL, and Serral is again just out of the discussion since he doesn't want to come live in Korea to play in the GSL. Sure, Serral's won a bunch of the WCS events, but I don't think anyone will equate those to a GSL victory. And now Rogue has racked up 3 GSL Code S wins, tied for the most of any zerg, and second only to Maru in terms of total wins. Rogue has a legitimate chance to get the G5L, if he can stay motivated the year or two he has left before he has to go to the military. Idk, I like both of these players, and instead of categorizing players into a hard ranking list, I think it's more accurate to sort them into tiers, where both Rogue and Serral are SSS tier monsters you have to be able defeat in order to make a name for yourself. | ||
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yepjan
20 Posts
On May 07 2021 12:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense. imagine being this delusional | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Does that sound like a GOAT to you? Winning in Korea when they 3 best players reside outside of Korea does not make you a GOAT contender. Even among the Koreans I would not rank him as a top 5 player. | ||
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