On May 07 2021 14:31 MockHamill wrote: Saying that Rogue is the GOAT is a complete joke. He is the 3rd or 4th best Zerg and hold a 12 place on Aligulac.
Does that sound like a GOAT to you? Winning in Korea when they 3 best players reside outside of Korea does not make you a GOAT contender. Even among the Koreans I would not rank him as a top 5 player.
"Aligulac must be true because numbers and confirming my existing opinion. Rogue must be bad because I don't like him." Seriously. Aligulac doesn't accurately measure across regions. Honestly, it doesn't even do that will within regions. Clem is good, but is he really better than Serral or Reynor? Who's more likely to win a big tournament? Those rankings are not the word of god carved on holy tablets. And who cares if you don't think Rogue is top 5? Reality says otherwise.
On May 07 2021 14:31 MockHamill wrote: Saying that Rogue is the GOAT is a complete joke. He is the 3rd or 4th best Zerg and hold a 12 place on Aligulac.
Does that sound like a GOAT to you? Winning in Korea when they 3 best players reside outside of Korea does not make you a GOAT contender. Even among the Koreans I would not rank him as a top 5 player.
4th best? What Reynor and Dark are better than Rogue? No!?
On May 07 2021 14:31 MockHamill wrote: Saying that Rogue is the GOAT is a complete joke. He is the 3rd or 4th best Zerg and hold a 12 place on Aligulac.
Does that sound like a GOAT to you? Winning in Korea when they 3 best players reside outside of Korea does not make you a GOAT contender. Even among the Koreans I would not rank him as a top 5 player.
Nice trolling bro. Do you do that at parties? Calling 3-time world champion worse than 1-time world champion or a person, who didn't win anything cannot be serious.
On May 07 2021 04:20 Morbidius wrote: The usual band of foreigner fanboys and Rogue haters have gathered once again, to enlighten us all on how bad and terrible the #1 in SC2 earnings and best Zerg of all time is. I'm glad they're here to teach us that winning the most prestigious tournaments in the world over and over again doesn't make a player good. You should all gather and write part 2 of the ''Rogue Patchzerg'' article.
But... But... Clem would crush him. He is just lucky to keep avoiding him, or top Terrans in general. Maru is a noob compared to mighty Clem. If Serral Reynor or Clem decided to play GSL they would easily win every time ! And how many HSC or similar premieres has Rogue won? Ha ! Got you there, deluded fanboy
How can we be sure they are foreigner fanboys/Rogue haters and that you are not korean fanboy Serral/Clem hater ?
let's be honest, they, you and i are all fanboys here, let's just try to not be hater of anything.
but to be fair the last statement is wrong, Clem faced Rogue very recently and won 2-0
People overestimate tournament wins. Aligulac is better for showing real skill over time. Tournaments comes down to combination of skill, bracket luck and how good your are a particular day.
Winning the cup is not as good as winning the league. Just as winning Wimbledon is good but being the number 1 ranked player all year is much better.
I don‘t like the GOAT discussion, especially when it comed to Rogue. Not because I don‘t think he deserves the status if we consider the results, but because he seems to have one major skill almost no one else does. Is his macro great? Of course, but there are probably better macro players than Rogue. Is his execution good? Of course, but there are probably better micro-players than rogue. Where he really shines is winning a series, though. While there are definitely better players on a game-to-game basis, in a longer series - and I don‘t think there‘s even room for discussion - there has never been a player who has matched Rogue‘s achievements. Whether it is pure preparation, intuition, his style or something else is hard to say, imo. However, he seems to be able to play a series rather than individual games and by doing so controlling the pace of an entire Bo7.
And of course from time to time he gets lucky. He should have dropped out against Dream, no doubt about that. And still, even there he somehow found a way to get back into it. That‘s just part of the game.
I was rooting for Maru (yes, betraying my beloved Zerg race), and still enjoyed watching this final. For me it was very entertaining. People will say Rogue making roaches and Maru not proxy-ing was kinda boring, but for me all those strategic choices were full of mindgames between both of them. Rogue won the mindgames in the end and deserves now to hold 3 GSL titles. Maru still holds 4 though, and GSL still remains the gold standard in SC2. Also Maru is much younger than Rogue, so with all due respect to Rogue, the future still belongs to Maru. But at this time - congrats, Rogue, well done!
On May 07 2021 17:20 MockHamill wrote: People overestimate tournament wins. Aligulac is better for showing real skill over time. Tournaments comes down to combination of skill, bracket luck and how good your are a particular day.
Winning the cup is not as good as winning the league. Just as winning Wimbledon is good but being the number 1 ranked player all year is much better.
Clem has 87% chance of beating Rogue in a bo7 on aligulac which I think is way too high. Before the final, Rogue was rated below heromarine and solar. Yes aligulac is useful (it predicted Serral's rise in 2018 pretty well) but it often overrates foreigners and people who play well in a lot of online tournaments. There was a time in 2017 when Neeb was the no. 1 player on aligulac but I don't think he was ever the no.1 player in the world, more like top 10-15.
On May 07 2021 04:20 Morbidius wrote: The usual band of foreigner fanboys and Rogue haters have gathered once again, to enlighten us all on how bad and terrible the #1 in SC2 earnings and best Zerg of all time is. I'm glad they're here to teach us that winning the most prestigious tournaments in the world over and over again doesn't make a player good. You should all gather and write part 2 of the ''Rogue Patchzerg'' article.
But... But... Clem would crush him. He is just lucky to keep avoiding him, or top Terrans in general. Maru is a noob compared to mighty Clem. If Serral Reynor or Clem decided to play GSL they would easily win every time ! And how many HSC or similar premieres has Rogue won? Ha ! Got you there, deluded fanboy
How can we be sure they are foreigner fanboys/Rogue haters and that you are not korean fanboy Serral/Clem hater ?
let's be honest, they, you and i are all fanboys here, let's just try to not be hater of anything.
but to be fair the last statement is wrong, Clem faced Rogue very recently and won 2-0
To be fair, Clem is currently good at TvZ but not so in TvP and TvT. We can see him dropping many series against Zest or Cure and he haven't been tested yet facing other race beside Zerg in Bo7 of premier tournaments. Contrariwise, Rogue has won all his final matchups in all races, and Maru is the last race of the best Terran that he faced in the final.
Clem is indeed new talent. But comparing his recent results with Maru who endured hardships over the years and won many championships over all races, and just happened to lose to Rogue, it is incorrect to say Clem is Terran GOAT over Maru.
On May 07 2021 17:20 MockHamill wrote: People overestimate tournament wins. Aligulac is better for showing real skill over time. Tournaments comes down to combination of skill, bracket luck and how good your are a particular day.
Winning the cup is not as good as winning the league. Just as winning Wimbledon is good but being the number 1 ranked player all year is much better.
I hope you realize that aligulac doesn’t compare well within regions, and even within region you can farm lower level players to improve your ranking. Clem ranking is probably inflated by the ESL cups, and he was successful vs Serral and Reynor recently, who also have good ranking.
I'm not really sure how there are people saying that real skill and the ability to win important games are somehow different? What is a reasonable definition of skill otherwise? How quickly you can spread your marines? Your ability to cover the map in creep? These seem much less indicative of skill than... you know... winning the game
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"?
This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here.
I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired.
come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread?
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much
Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense.
imagine being this delusional
he's exaggerating but I think nobody in their right mind should argue Serral's achievements are somehow superior to winning 3 World Championships, 3 GSLs and 2 other top tier tournaments. I agree that Serral is probably on average the better player in a ladder environment but Rogue is just better at winning tournaments (Serral also competed at every World Championship Rogue won but performed much worse except at the one he won)
On May 07 2021 17:26 Swisslink wrote: I don‘t like the GOAT discussion, especially when it comed to Rogue. Not because I don‘t think he deserves the status if we consider the results, but because he seems to have one major skill almost no one else does. Is his macro great? Of course, but there are probably better macro players than Rogue. Is his execution good? Of course, but there are probably better micro-players than rogue. Where he really shines is winning a series, though. While there are definitely better players on a game-to-game basis, in a longer series - and I don‘t think there‘s even room for discussion - there has never been a player who has matched Rogue‘s achievements. Whether it is pure preparation, intuition, his style or something else is hard to say, imo. However, he seems to be able to play a series rather than individual games and by doing so controlling the pace of an entire Bo7.
And of course from time to time he gets lucky. He should have dropped out against Dream, no doubt about that. And still, even there he somehow found a way to get back into it. That‘s just part of the game.
For sure he’s incredibly clutch, that’s his superpower and just generally very good.
If there’s a player who’ll bring it in a final it’s Rogue. When it comes to Code S nowadays it is a bit less stacked than in the olden days and a decent bracket goes a long way, but this time around he had a pretty tough path too.
He’s certainly ascended to the Pantheon of the Starcraft Gods, but up there there’s no real undisputed candidate for King, least as far as I can ascertain. SC2 just doesn’t have a Flash who had close to the whole package in terms of the Starcraft skillset, dominance and consistency over long periods.
If I wanted a bloke to close out a bo7 finals I’m throwing Rogue out there, if I wanted a bloke to plan a path through a bracket, perhaps TY, if I wanted to see the peak of SC2 execution in action Maru’s coming off the bench and if I wanted someone to play 50 Bo3s against other top players Serral’s warming up.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"?
This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here.
I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired.
come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread?
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much
Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense.
imagine being this delusional
he's exaggerating but I think nobody in their right mind should argue Serral's achievements are somehow superior to winning 3 World Championships, 3 GSLs and 2 other top tier tournaments. I agree that Serral is probably on average the better player in a ladder environment but Rogue is just better at winning tournaments (Serral also competed at every World Championship Rogue won but performed much worse except at the one he won)
I think people disregard Dark & Rogue achievements / think Serral is always better than them (which is not always the case) because they play more ugly than him very often. They would play roach / ravager with not much finesse / force their way through some games, sometimes failing, while Serral will almost always go for macro games with regular unit comps. But being clutch & winning ugly does not mean you are bad, and playing "as should be", with more finesse, does not make you a champion, see Lambo.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"?
This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here.
I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired.
come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread?
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much
Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense.
imagine being this delusional
he's exaggerating but I think nobody in their right mind should argue Serral's achievements are somehow superior to winning 3 World Championships, 3 GSLs and 2 other top tier tournaments. I agree that Serral is probably on average the better player in a ladder environment but Rogue is just better at winning tournaments (Serral also competed at every World Championship Rogue won but performed much worse except at the one he won)
Rogue is better at winning tournaments and Serral has won many more(but also lost many more finals); Rogue is way more clutch and he's better at winning offline bo7.
Since Rogue has three world championships you could say he's better at winning them but, unlike what you are saying, Serral performed slightly better than Rogue on average in the last five world championships(since he became a top player) and won just as much. Blizzcon 2018: Serral wins, Rogue ro4; Katowice 2019: Serral ro8, Rogue eliminated in the group stages; BlizzCon 2019: Serral ro4, Rogue ro8; Katowice 2020: Rogue wins, Serral ro4; Katowice 2021: Rogue ro8, Serral ro12.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"?
This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here.
I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired.
come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread?
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much
Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense.
imagine being this delusional
he's exaggerating but I think nobody in their right mind should argue Serral's achievements are somehow superior to winning 3 World Championships, 3 GSLs and 2 other top tier tournaments. I agree that Serral is probably on average the better player in a ladder environment but Rogue is just better at winning tournaments (Serral also competed at every World Championship Rogue won but performed much worse except at the one he won)
I think people disregard Dark & Rogue achievements / think Serral is always better than them (which is not always the case) because they play more ugly than him very often. They would play roach / ravager with not much finesse / force their way through some games, sometimes failing, while Serral will almost always go for macro games with regular unit comps. But being clutch & winning ugly does not mean you are bad, and playing "as should be", with more finesse, does not make you a champion, see Lambo.
Play more ugly is such a subjective term... For me, there is no "uglier" playstyle than Serrals. Same boring crap every series and if he tries to change things up with something interesting, mix in some cheese or early aggression, he usually fails horribly. One of the most boring players to watch, for me. I think I even heard him say somewhere that he really likes Dark and Rogue playstyle, but he just cant play like that.
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: Rogue has the average quality of his successes and the pristine record in offline bo7 over Serral, literally nothing else; he didn't even earn more than Serral in LoTV. Only a fanboy could think Rogue would be the uncontested best Zerg or compare him to Brood War's Jaedong.
By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
You and your pathetic vitriol are so predictable, dissing Rogue whenever he wins something just because he's better than Serral and you know it. You only say he ''deserved'' to win the finals because again its against another player who's miles better than Serral. In fact you have been extremely bitter ever since the finals matchup was announced, god knows what sort of nonsense you would be spilling here if Maru had won.
Listing any of those folks as being ‘miles’ better than Serral is hyperbolic in the extreme.
Not that I condone silly bashing of Rogue for his fantastic achievements
Saying that Rogue's achievements aren't better than Serral's and that, in any of case, it would be foolish to claim that he is the uncontested best Zerg is "silly bashing"?
This is the first time I express my distaste for Rogue's way of winning his titles, I said literally nothing when he won his last Code S and Katowice; on the contrary, I am pretty sure I said that a player of Rogue's caliber couldn't end his career without a Code S final after he won his first. It's undeniable that Rogue is one of the greats, calling him GOAT and way better than Serral is instead excessive; be sure I am deeply convinced of what I am writing here.
I expected much more from a Code S final between Maru vs Rogue and I was genuinely horrified by Rogue's abusiveness and Maru's subpar performance. If I were a player I would personally be much closer to Rogue's approach to the game but as a fan I absolutely hate it and I also feel that he has won more than he would have deserved in the last year and half judging by his level of play; in any of case, those are just my thoughts, and I have to admit his clutchness and surgical dissection of his opponents in those awful finals are to be admired.
come on dude, didn't you say you were out of this thread?
On May 07 2021 05:57 Xain0n wrote: By the way, I'm out of this thread; enjoy this obscene series and this redundant success, Rogue shouldn't have won this Code S but for sure deserved to win the finals.
it's super entertaining watching people arguing, I haven't seen such a heated debate in a long time tbh personally, as great as Serral is until he wins a GSL-type tournament I can't call him the GOAT. I just value GSL titles too much
Involving Serral, or any foreigner in a GOAT discussion is laughable. They will never come close to even be a top 5. Its pointless. As for Rogue, he is so much better than Serral as is Manchester City compared Leyron Orient. There is no comparison. Rogue could get eliminated in the first round of all the next tournaments and he would still be far superior. Its a joke, lets just stop this nonsense.
imagine being this delusional
he's exaggerating but I think nobody in their right mind should argue Serral's achievements are somehow superior to winning 3 World Championships, 3 GSLs and 2 other top tier tournaments. I agree that Serral is probably on average the better player in a ladder environment but Rogue is just better at winning tournaments (Serral also competed at every World Championship Rogue won but performed much worse except at the one he won)
I think people disregard Dark & Rogue achievements / think Serral is always better than them (which is not always the case) because they play more ugly than him very often. They would play roach / ravager with not much finesse / force their way through some games, sometimes failing, while Serral will almost always go for macro games with regular unit comps. But being clutch & winning ugly does not mean you are bad, and playing "as should be", with more finesse, does not make you a champion, see Lambo.
Play more ugly is such a subjective term... For me, there is no "uglier" playstyle than Serrals. Same boring crap every series and if he tries to change things up with something interesting, mix in some cheese or early aggression, he usually fails horribly. One of the most boring players to watch, for me. I think I even heard him say somewhere that he really likes Dark and Rogue playstyle, but he just cant play like that.
Oh yeah for sure it's kinda subjective, but I am pretty sure that is why some people here seem to think Serral is somehow better than Rogue no matter the huge difference in palmares
EPT
