EPTSad I had to miss the games due to work, but it looks like Reynor has really been gearing up over the last half year or so to claim the title of SC2 King of the World. Exciting times!
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
Sad I had to miss the games due to work, but it looks like Reynor has really been gearing up over the last half year or so to claim the title of SC2 King of the World. Exciting times! | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 21 2020 06:13 tigon_ridge wrote: Those Ps and Ts are nowhere near Reynor's skill level, at this point in time, so leaving them out would only play into your bias. To the others posting their toxic spew and NaCl here: LoLoL The reason why Blizzard doesn't listen to you is exactly because of your behavior, and because your complaints lack any logic. All the silly "statistics" you post, which you repeated do so almost the exact same thing week after week, only reveal your limited understanding of statistics, instead of supporting your bias. It's always amusing skimming through these emotional wrecks whenever a monstrous zerg takes a win. :D hahaha doesn't matter if they are nowhere near Reynor's skill level at this point in time. We are looking at premier tournament wins since 2018 so form over time counts. It's not unusually for a player like Maru, Rogue, Serral or Reynor to make their race pretty over-represented in terms of tournament wins for 1-2 years but it's been going on for over 3.5 years. There are very few droughts of big premier tournament wins in SC2 history and probably Broodwar history (I bring it up because it's a good standard for a well balanced game imo) as big as this one. Only two I can think of is zerg doing really badly is OSL/MSL in first 5 years of pro BW and the 3 year 3 month OSL/MSL for protoss between 2008 and 2011. I don't think there were year long droughts for any race in SC2 for any year until after 2017 because SC2 has OSL, SSL, GSL, WCS Season Finals, IEM Katowice, Blizzcon, etc so there are more opportunities for protoss.to win a big premier tournament. Edit: For the record, I'm not trying to say zerg became imbalanced since early 2017 or even 2018. I think the balance was pretty good these years and then got bad ever since mid 2019 and has only improved somewhat. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
I just wanted to highlight one small thing that Reynor just did in game 6. On the surface, this is just a ling runby, they get in all the time, they've been getting in during this series. But what totally blew my mind was seeing the changeling walking away from the wall while the lings ran in. Reynor earlier in the game noticed with an Overseer that the wall was empty. What basically any other player would do is just send out a ling runby, and hope it gets in. However, Trap is incredibly good, obviously. Surely he would notice that the wall was empty, and warp in a Zealot to stop the runby? Reynor agreed. So he plugged the wall with a changeling. Trap saw the lings coming in, saw that he already had a Zealot on hold position there, and went to look at something else. Reynor then moved the changeling and ran the lings in. Just wanted to share this, as it's an example of a really small tactic, but something that completely blew my mind. Reynor is really good at this video game. EDIT: The more I think about this, the crazier it is. I'm going to have to check the replay when they're released for Trap's FPV, I'd be willing to bet that he noticed the lings, grabbed the "Zealot", and tried to put it back in the wall, then moved his screen somewhere else before he could see that it didn't work. This actually probably wouldn't work against a worse player, because their screen would still be on the wall and they would have time to warp in another Zealot in the wall. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/iwjtdv/reynor_is_insane_a_stroke_of_tactical_genius/ | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 21 2020 07:46 Morbidius wrote: Interesting how foreigners can only tackle top Koreans when playing a particular race. Your bitterness has gone through the roof. What you said is clearly not true, what about Neeb's KeSpa Cup? So far only two foreign Zerg have become the best Sc2 player in the world, that's true; let's see what happens in the next years. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On September 21 2020 07:46 Morbidius wrote: Interesting how foreigners can only tackle top Koreans when playing a particular race. Interesting how Blizzard has been happy to leave that race broken for years User was warned for this post | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 21 2020 08:35 QOGQOG wrote: Interesting how Blizzard has been happy to leave that race broken for years Sure, sure. When Rogue, Dark and soO win they are gods tho, right? | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On September 21 2020 08:37 Xain0n wrote: Sure, sure. When Rogue, Dark and soO win they are gods tho, right? I'm not saying Reynor and Serral are bad players, they are excellent. But if every tournament was won by, say, one of two particular Korean Protoss players (often vs. each other in the finals), Protoss would have been nerfed into dust. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 21 2020 08:37 Xain0n wrote: Sure, sure. When Rogue, Dark and soO win they are gods tho, right? I'm a Dark fan but I felt like a lot of people cried imbalance when him and Rogue were winning so many tournaments since late 2019.. soO is/was a pretty virtuous macro zerg tbh (doesn't really use swarmhost, nydus and zerg late game units that often) and he won in early 2019, when the balance was better. That said, i think the balance is definitely better this year than late 2019 last year but PvZ still seems tough for protoss. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 21 2020 09:34 Anc13nt wrote: I'm a Dark fan but I felt like a lot of people cried imbalance when him and Rogue were winning so many tournaments since late 2019.. soO is/was a pretty virtuous macro zerg tbh (doesn't really use swarmhost, nydus and zerg late game units that often) and he won in early 2019, when the balance was better. That said, i think the balance is definitely better this year than late 2019 last year but PvZ still seems tough for protoss. I agree. | ||
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Moonerz
United States469 Posts
On September 21 2020 09:34 Anc13nt wrote: I'm a Dark fan but I felt like a lot of people cried imbalance when him and Rogue were winning so many tournaments since late 2019.. soO is/was a pretty virtuous macro zerg tbh (doesn't really use swarmhost, nydus and zerg late game units that often) and he won in early 2019, when the balance was better. That said, i think the balance is definitely better this year than late 2019 last year but PvZ still seems tough for protoss. I also think playing with ping favors zerg generally so its making balance look worse than it really is, though PvZ is still looking real rough. | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
p.s. Zerg is the only race that doesn't have a weak matchup. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On September 21 2020 08:35 Xain0n wrote: Your bitterness has gone through the roof. What you said is clearly not true, what about Neeb's KeSpa Cup? So far only two foreign Zerg have become the best Sc2 player in the world, that's true; let's see what happens in the next years. How is one Kespa cup relevant? Was it a landmark for foreign starcraft? Yes. Was it a real achievement worth celebrating by korean standards? lol no, just look at soo's kespa cup and how no one considered his curse broken until Katowice 2019. Until i see Terran and Protoss competing evenly with Zerg with lots of blooming new talent i will call this 80% winrate out. Being white, charismatic( Reynor at least) and European doesn't change the fact that they're the modern versions of Sniper and Roro. User was warned for this post | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 11:11 Morbidius wrote: How is one Kespa cup relevant? Was it a landmark for foreign starcraft? Yes. Was it a real achievement worth celebrating by korean standards? lol no, just look at soo's kespa cup and how no one considered his curse broken until Katowice 2019. Until i see Terran and Protoss competing evenly with Zerg with lots of blooming new talent i will call this 80% winrate out. Being white, charismatic( Reynor at least) and European doesn't change the fact that they're the modern versions of Sniper and Roro. I like how you instantly put a condition on your statement that makes it nigh impossible to ever materialize. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On September 21 2020 11:53 lolfail9001 wrote: I like how you instantly put a condition on your statement that makes it nigh impossible to ever materialize. Protoss or Terran winning? It does seem pretty unlikely. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 21 2020 13:02 QOGQOG wrote: Protoss or Terran winning? It does seem pretty unlikely. "with lots of blooming new talent" | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria925 Posts
On September 21 2020 11:11 Morbidius wrote: How is one Kespa cup relevant? Was it a landmark for foreign starcraft? Yes. Was it a real achievement worth celebrating by korean standards? lol no, just look at soo's kespa cup and how no one considered his curse broken until Katowice 2019. Until i see Terran and Protoss competing evenly with Zerg with lots of blooming new talent i will call this 80% winrate out. Being white, charismatic( Reynor at least) and European doesn't change the fact that they're the modern versions of Sniper and Roro. Comparing Reynor and Serral to Sniper and Roro made me spit out of my coffee. I hope it was a solid troll.. because I can’t read anything else you write without laughing otherwise. | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On September 21 2020 08:35 Xain0n wrote: Your bitterness has gone through the roof. What you said is clearly not true, what about Neeb's KeSpa Cup? So far only two foreign Zerg have become the best Sc2 player in the world, that's true; let's see what happens in the next years. The fact remains foreigners have struggled immensely as terrans. Special is the best of the bunch, and I wouldn't even call him top 7 foreigner of all time Reynor Serral Steph Nani Scarlett Snute HuK were all better...5 zergs 2 toss btw | ||
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