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United States33708 Posts
On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru  ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever.
as much as I hate to agree with xainon, eye-test wise I think he's playing at a higher level than last year 
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Reynor is the slight favouite.
As solid as Inno is, he's still prone to cocky and brain-fart moments (ala vs Soulkey). It's just an infuriating part of his play. Feels like there are moments of his play that suddenly returns 'syntax error' and his brain freezes. I know I keep making jokes about machine-learning, but Inno really reminds me of an AI (at least in fiction) - super ruthless and efficient throughout, only to be outdone by some fatal banana slip or brilliance from the hero ala Sarah/John Connor.
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serral playing from a golf cart, I predict EZ 3-0
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On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever.
Are we somehow ignoring that Reynor just beat Maru yesterday?
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On July 18 2020 23:01 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever. as much as I hate to agree with xainon, eye-test wise I think he's playing at a higher level than last year
Hard to imagine any zerg looking better than they did last year, so that's impressive if he actually is. Maybe getting rolled so hard in the blizzcon final gave him more motivation.
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United States33708 Posts
On July 18 2020 23:04 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 23:01 Waxangel wrote:On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever. as much as I hate to agree with xainon, eye-test wise I think he's playing at a higher level than last year Hard to imagine any zerg looking better than they did last year, so that's impressive if he actually is. Maybe getting rolled so hard in the blizzcon final gave him more motivation.
maybe I'm more impressed because they're doing more stuff where their army moves around instead of laying back and turtling
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Wait, they just started? Why couldn't they start earlier at 9 or even 8pm (Korean time)?. No harm lazy NA viewers missing the first hour or so.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year.
Quite a lot for me is the eye test, Serral is largely excellent in all 3 matchups (for the most part, there is some fluctuation), Reynor had an equivalent vZ but not the other two.
Maru absolutely massacring him at WCG being an example that sticks out for me.
Of late at least to the eyes and some solid results Reynor’s more well-rounded across the board. We’ll see how things develop across this season though.
Against almost all opponents my feeling has been that Serral will probably win, and that Reynor could possibly win. I think Reynor is shifting gears to the former.
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On July 18 2020 23:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever. Are we somehow ignoring that Reynor just beat Maru yesterday?
Yes, as you should ignore basically all cross server matches. For reasons people have gone over an unforgivable number of times
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On July 18 2020 23:05 RKC wrote:
Wait, they just started? Why couldn't they start earlier at 9 or even 8pm (Korean time)?. No harm lazy NA viewers missing the first hour or so.
Lazy NA viewer council has assembled to consider your suggestion. Your terrible opinion has been noted and discarded.
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United States33708 Posts
On July 18 2020 23:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 23:05 RKC wrote:
Wait, they just started? Why couldn't they start earlier at 9 or even 8pm (Korean time)?. No harm lazy NA viewers missing the first hour or so. Lazy NA viewer council has assembled to consider your suggestion. Your terrible opinion has been noted and discarded.
true NA SC2 fans shoulda gone to sleep after GSL, gotten a solid 7 hours of sleep, and woken up for Season Finals
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Canada8991 Posts
On July 18 2020 23:06 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 23:03 Acrofales wrote:On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever. Are we somehow ignoring that Reynor just beat Maru yesterday? Yes, as you should ignore basically all cross server matches. For reasons people have gone over an unforgivable number of times
I mean at this point if it's your call, there's not really a whole lot of point in watching this mate...
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On July 18 2020 23:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 23:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On July 18 2020 23:05 RKC wrote:
Wait, they just started? Why couldn't they start earlier at 9 or even 8pm (Korean time)?. No harm lazy NA viewers missing the first hour or so. Lazy NA viewer council has assembled to consider your suggestion. Your terrible opinion has been noted and discarded. true NA SC2 fans shoulda gone to sleep after GSL, gotten a solid 7 hours of sleep, and woken up for Season Finals
I'm sure True NA SC2 fans did, but I don't represent True NA, I represent Lazy NA, as mentioned earlier.
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On July 18 2020 23:06 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. Quite a lot for me is the eye test, Serral is largely excellent in all 3 matchups (for the most part, there is some fluctuation), Reynor had an equivalent vZ but not the other two. Maru absolutely massacring him at WCG being an example that sticks out for me.
Outside of getting 4-0'd by Maru at WCG Reynor TvZ didn't seem all too bad, I'd give him strong odds to beat anyone outside of the three horsemen.
I think his ZvZ was a tad overblown by his results against Serral, who he clearly has a lot of practice with. He got beaten pretty damn hard by Dark and Rogue, which I don't think Serral would have been.
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Big Gabe vetoing golden wall? That's a disappointingly small move
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Why are NA viewers watching anyway? Neeb, Scarlett and Special are out... 
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half the quarters are terran. Not bad. But I do kinda miss protoss, especially pvp. Zerg can go cry in the corner
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On July 18 2020 23:08 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2020 23:06 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 23:03 Acrofales wrote:On July 18 2020 22:59 Fango wrote:On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.
But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline. Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru ) Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year. edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever. Are we somehow ignoring that Reynor just beat Maru yesterday? Yes, as you should ignore basically all cross server matches. For reasons people have gone over an unforgivable number of times I mean at this point if it's your call, there's not really a whole lot of point in watching this mate...
When I say ignore, I don't mean literally don't watch, I just mean take results too seriously. You make do with what you have during a global lockdown, but it doesn't mean what you have is anywhere near as good.
Other esports are currently just dividing up what would be global tournaments into smaller region specific ones to avoid this problem. You can give some credit to ESL for trying to make it work with SC2 at least.
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On July 18 2020 23:11 RKC wrote:Why are NA viewers watching anyway? Neeb, Scarlett and Special are out...
maybe they wanna see skillful foreign action
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On July 18 2020 23:11 RKC wrote:Why are NA viewers watching anyway? Neeb, Scarlett and Special are out...
There's still a Protoss in here somehow, gotta support Trap. En taro Adun!
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