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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 09:11:26
July 18 2020 09:10 GMT
#1181
The schedule of it all is really my only actual criticism about this whole tournament. And even more so than just this starting extremely late for all the players in Korea, China, Taiwan and ANZ (though this doesn't really matter as long as Risky wins ANZ), ESL gotta make sure the next season finals don't happen in the middle of the Code S Ro16. Because with every Korean player in the season finals still in Code S I can't help but feel this tournament is an afterthought for half the players in it (one in particular seeing today's GSL results).

I'm sure they it can be arranged with Afreeca to take a one week break after the Ro28 next time. But I think Apollo at some point mentioned they'll collect feedback after the season concludes.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
July 18 2020 09:11 GMT
#1182
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 18 2020 09:20 GMT
#1183
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...
gg no re thx
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 18 2020 09:25 GMT
#1184
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 18 2020 09:29 GMT
#1185
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 09:35:41
July 18 2020 09:35 GMT
#1186
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8218 Posts
July 18 2020 09:39 GMT
#1187
On July 18 2020 18:35 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/924752508517363712


Hahaha that is just priceless.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
July 18 2020 09:39 GMT
#1188
On July 18 2020 18:35 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/924752508517363712



Beautiful comunity
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 18 2020 09:43 GMT
#1189
On July 18 2020 18:39 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:35 pvsnp wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
[quote]
sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/924752508517363712


Hahaha that is just priceless.
I like to imagine that's just another Korean Blizzcon attendee harassing him.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 09:48:07
July 18 2020 09:47 GMT
#1190
On July 18 2020 18:43 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:39 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:35 pvsnp wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
[quote]

Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Only Maru can turn into Inno, noobs like us turn into TY

Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/924752508517363712


Hahaha that is just priceless.
I like to imagine that's just another Korean Blizzcon attendee harassing him.


Only Maru turns into Inno, noobs like us turn into TY
gg no re thx
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
July 18 2020 09:51 GMT
#1191
On July 18 2020 18:47 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:43 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:39 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:35 pvsnp wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:29 sneakyfox wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:25 Elentos wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Only Maru can turn into Inno, noobs like us turn into TY

Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

I also would like to be able to play so bad that I turn into Innovation. Would surely help on ladder.


I wonder if he too gets those delicious "die from cancer 20 apm meching cunt" comments when he plays


He does.

https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/924752508517363712


Hahaha that is just priceless.
I like to imagine that's just another Korean Blizzcon attendee harassing him.


Only Maru turns into Inno, noobs like us turn into TY
I wish. When I play bad I play like myself from 2015.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33708 Posts
July 18 2020 10:33 GMT
#1192
The question isn't "will Serral beat TY?"

it's "will Serral miss his tee-time?"

https://tournament-site.golfgamebook.com/tournament/serral-open-2020-2481
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 10:39:34
July 18 2020 10:37 GMT
#1193
On July 18 2020 18:20 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 18:11 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 18:00 RKC wrote:
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote:
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote:
I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5.

sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see


Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans.

Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe.

Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument.

What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then.


Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group

Wasn't implying Heromarine played vs Inno. Just picked a European Terran, because I am sure that if I had said Reynor then someone would bring up Zerg not requiring micro so ping not mattering


Special played Maru yesterday, not Inno (unless we're living in some cross-alternate universe). I guess Maru played so bad that he must've named himself Inno at some point...

Oh. Yeah. I totally derped out on that. Also, I'd put Inno's TvT above Maru right now.

I say this without having seen today's GSL or its results, so if he totally derped vs Bunny or something that's on me
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
July 18 2020 12:51 GMT
#1194
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.

But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.

“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
July 18 2020 13:00 GMT
#1195
Are we all thinking Reynor can win against Innovation? I think Serral vs TY will be close given how close they have been in the past.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 13:13:42
July 18 2020 13:13 GMT
#1196
On July 18 2020 22:00 geokilla wrote:
Are we all thinking Reynor can win against Innovation? I think Serral vs TY will be close given how close they have been in the past.

TY isn't in his GSL winning form and he should have a hard time bamboozling Serral with his cheeky builds. Inno vs Reynor will be interesting in terms of how well Reynor can deal with the mech at this point.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 18 2020 13:20 GMT
#1197
On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.

But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.



It's incredible how stubborn people can be when Maru is involved.

Cure is 5-4 in matches and 10-9 in games against Maru and Maru was almost always stronger than Cure was.
Maru has a losing record against Inno.
Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline.

TY looked shaky in Code S as well.

TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 18 2020 13:46 GMT
#1198
On July 18 2020 19:33 Waxangel wrote:
The question isn't "will Serral beat TY?"

it's "will Serral miss his tee-time?"

https://tournament-site.golfgamebook.com/tournament/serral-open-2020-2481


What a damn legend lmao
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 18 2020 13:47 GMT
#1199
On July 18 2020 22:00 geokilla wrote:
Are we all thinking Reynor can win against Innovation? I think Serral vs TY will be close given how close they have been in the past.


I think it’ll be amazingly close. Can’t wait!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-18 14:00:45
July 18 2020 13:59 GMT
#1200
On July 18 2020 22:20 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2020 21:51 J. Corsair wrote:
Maru beat Inno in a bo5 in supertournament but they trade games, basically. Cure has a rough record vs Maru. And I love how TL conveniently forgets Maru absolutely stomping Reynor at WCG. Offline Maru probably doesn't ever drop a series to Reynor.

But no big deal. This has been such a sloppy tournament, I doubt the Koreans still in GSL we to reveal any specially prepared builds, just not worth it. Look at TY's build choice, it's an apt demonstration of said mindset.


Reynor was way weaker when he faced Maru last year, now he is a top player and he should be perfectly capable of beating Maru offline.

Are there any results that actually show Reynor is a ton better than he was last year? Or are you just going by the eye test? He qualified for that WCG by beating Serral in the first place (funny point actually that's probably the only case of Serral losing a match to dodge Maru )

Feels like stomping all of the foreigners and going even against Serral has pretty much been Reynor's thing since forever, no real change in that this year.

edit: reminds me of 2018 when people said Serral wasn't in top form when he played Maru, despite his results outside of that match being just as good then as ever.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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