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ytherik
199 Posts
On July 18 2020 03:25 Fango wrote: Yeah if that was Cure playing instead of SpeCial he stomps that 2-0. SpeCial had massive leads in both games but managed to throw it. Yeah Maru didn't look that good for most of the series. Hope he gives better showing tomorrow and if not then Cure vs Serral is still going to be a great treat anyway. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic627 Posts
On July 18 2020 02:01 Musicus wrote: Not sure about mechanics overall, but when it comes to speed I think Reynor is faster than Serral and Maru. At least Rotti said he was mindblown when he saw Reynor play offline and he is the fastest player out there. And I'd say Rotti saw every top player there is play offline. where are Fpvods? to see this? | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Hm, all of them have streamed before, but I'm not sure where to find the vods. I think you can watch Serral if you sub to his twitch? There might also be some captures on YT. First person views of their tournament games against each other would be the most interesting though. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On July 18 2020 03:19 Elentos wrote: It's for sure pretty damn random to have the season 1 finals in the middle of GSL season 2. Especially since this year more than ever there was time to drag the schedule out a bit. Not to mention everything is online. ESL could have had group stages this weekend and then round of 8, 4, and finals next weekend. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 18 2020 07:45 geokilla wrote: Not to mention everything is online. ESL could have had group stages this weekend and then round of 8, 4, and finals next weekend. It's all part of the plan; - Invite Koreans for foreigner-Korea narrative to boost viewership - Create less favourable conditions for Korean to secure foreigner competitiveness to sustain viewership On a serious note, it's just probably down to lack of communication between ESL and GSL. Also, Koreans are pretty much on their own (teamhouse in a loose sense) and hungry for whatever opportunities that they have. If this was during 'peak' SC2 where teamhouse held more sway, Koreans would actually be more hesitant (or even discouraged by coaches) to participate in such events unless the conditions are guaranteed to be fairer. But this is a good thing, because it compels foreign tourneys to consider their concerns and wishes more in order to secure participation of top players. In short, I feel that Korean pros have somewhat lost their voice or influence in such tourney events. Whether this is a good or a bad thing is another debate altogether (maybe some may argue that they had too much influence in the past). Personally, I feel the tourney could have been better arranged. A double weekender makes sense. Even if this can't exactly avoid an overlap, at least there's more time for Koreans to prepare for multiple tournaments on the same day. Would be interesting to hear the organiser's reasoning for the scheduling. There's probably some genuine organizational or logistical factor that we may not know about. Maybe they wanted to avoid overlap with later rounds of GSL (RO8)? | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On July 18 2020 09:34 RKC wrote: It's all part of the plan; - Invite Koreans for foreigner-Korea narrative to boost viewership - Create less favourable conditions for Korean to secure foreigner competitiveness to sustain viewership On a serious note, it's just probably down to lack of communication between ESL and GSL. Also, Koreans are pretty much on their own (teamhouse in a loose sense) and hungry for whatever opportunities that they have. If this was during 'peak' SC2 where teamhouse held more sway, Koreans would actually be more hesitant (or even discouraged by coaches) to participate in such events unless the conditions are guaranteed to be fairer. But this is a good thing, because it compels foreign tourneys to consider their concerns and wishes more in order to secure participation of top players. In short, I feel that Korean pros have somewhat lost their voice or influence in such tourney events. Whether this is a good or a bad thing is another debate altogether (maybe some may argue that they had too much influence in the past). Personally, I feel the tourney could have been better arranged. A double weekender makes sense. Even if this can't exactly avoid an overlap, at least there's more time for Koreans to prepare for multiple tournaments on the same day. Would be interesting to hear the organiser's reasoning for the scheduling. There's probably some genuine organizational or logistical factor that we may not know about. Maybe they wanted to avoid overlap with later rounds of GSL (RO8)? But isn't that what Blizzard and ESL wants? Korean players have more or less say the feel like they're being pushed away. I understand ESL said they couldn't change the region locking rules this year but they could have at least scheduled better since everything is offline. | ||
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Archerylady
277 Posts
On July 18 2020 11:53 geokilla wrote: But isn't that what Blizzard and ESL wants? Korean players have more or less say the feel like they're being pushed away. I understand ESL said they couldn't change the region locking rules this year but they could have at least scheduled better since everything is offline. Why complain about region lock this year? Korean pros get GSL + online season finals. Foreigners get online regional tournament + online season finals. Don't they have it better? If all the online Dreamhack events are opened to Koreans, then they will be able to participate in every event that foreigners can participate in, and still have GSL on top, and how would that be more fair? Is it just because of Special and Scarlett playing in both? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On July 18 2020 12:26 Archerylady wrote: Why complain about region lock this year? Korean pros get GSL + online season finals. Foreigners get online regional tournament + online season finals. Don't they have it better? If all the online Dreamhack events are opened to Koreans, then they will be able to participate in every event that foreigners can participate in, and still have GSL on top, and how would that be more fair? Is it just because of Special and Scarlett playing in both? And also Astrea. Don t gorget him. 3 NA Players are enough to Kill the Kr scene for good  | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 18 2020 14:23 MockHamill wrote: I predict a Serral vs Reynor finale. None of the Koreans are good enough to beat them in a best of 5. sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote: sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote: Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans. but we're all going to collectively orgasm when a european player beats a korean in the finals. we get what we want. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18199 Posts
On July 18 2020 15:25 buzz_bender wrote: Yeah, I agree. It's plain to see comparing how PartinG and Innovation is playing in the GSL today. The control is so much more crisp and precise compared to what we've seen in this tournament. It also shows how much prep matters in these tournaments and playing at optimal times and schedules. This particular DreamHack Finals' schedule has been very unfair to the Koreans. Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe. Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument. What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then. | ||
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Blastmally
Italy3 Posts
On July 18 2020 14:34 Alejandrisha wrote: sure they are. it just depends on the lag. a lot of these games are played at 300 ping and it is plain to see People have never played online in Italy, I guess... The Fixed Broadband quality is at the level of Serbia, while South Korea ranks 7th in the world. The average ping to L.A. server from Italy is around 150-200ms on a standard Italian quality broadband (we have slow connection in Italy) Considering Maru is playing from the state of the art Jin Air Green Wings House while Reynor is at home, it's pretentious to say that Maru (or other Korean players) loose 'cause of internet connection. About the 3:00 o'clock question, well... We are talking about professional players and Koreans literally live in and for the game: can you imagine Maru with his team and preparation worried about playing at 3 a.m. for a couple of days? LOL Make it simple: Reynor on a best of 3 played better than Maru  ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IDRVR6J.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/61XXQOJ.jpg) | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 18 2020 17:00 Acrofales wrote: Well, obviously DH was never meant to be an online event and moaning about unfairness is a bit weird. Why is playing at 300 ping from Korea more unfair to innovation than playing at 300 ping from Europe is to Heromarine? It isn't as if US West is a great server to play on from Europe. Special vs Inno was presumably played on a KR server yesterday and Inno looked really bad (still good enough to beat Special, but not good). So in general, I don't see how the server plays into this argument. What obviously does play into it is the time of the matches, and the timing of the tournament. It isn't the first time an international event has a scheduling conflict with GSL, but you'd think that particularly with an online event they could have avoided it better. The time, well, not much to do about that. It's scheduled for optimal viewership in EU/US. It'd be fairer to the players if they played at EU 10AM or so, but the US viewer base is all fast asleep then. Korean so imba that they can not only play cross-server, but cross-group  | ||
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