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On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot  Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs )
I'm sure the other zergs will improve over time but at the moment Serral is the only zerg in the world who can micro and react like that whilst doing 10 billion other things. No one is close to him
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On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. I see both views and think either are valid.
In terms of fairness I think 1-0 advantage makes slightly more sense, in terms of putting on a show I think 1-0 advantage is pretty bad. The latter is worse than the former is good.
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On November 26 2018 03:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:14 stilt wrote:On November 26 2018 02:49 LordYama wrote:
Serral is probably the most patient Zerg player I've ever seen, and possibly the most patient SC2 player I've seen. Snute and stephano beg to differ haha Yeah, Snute's swarmhost play with gazillion static defense was forgotten That's still nothing compared to Stephano in HotS with swarmhosts. Literally would never attack.... ever.
Stephano vs Petraeus, the pinnacle of SC2
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On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too.
If the player from the upper bracket loses they should play another bo7!
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couch is reading tl forums
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On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. I see both views and think either are valid.
Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet.
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On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. I see both views and think either are valid. Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet.
Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least.
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On November 26 2018 03:34 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:25 Pandain wrote:On November 26 2018 03:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:14 stilt wrote:On November 26 2018 02:49 LordYama wrote:
Serral is probably the most patient Zerg player I've ever seen, and possibly the most patient SC2 player I've seen. Snute and stephano beg to differ haha Yeah, Snute's swarmhost play with gazillion static defense was forgotten That's still nothing compared to Stephano in HotS with swarmhosts. Literally would never attack.... ever. Stephano vs Petraeus, the pinnacle of SC2
Man I remember that one!
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if  Serral wins next series I think he's guaranteed to surpass  Hurricane as the longest holder of the unofficial world championship no
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On November 26 2018 03:34 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. If the player from the upper bracket loses they should play another bo7!
Yeah even though it's tedious to slog through two Bo7 with the same players, it seems unfair to the WB champ to be eliminated with only one loss without any other advantage. Seems like the handicap the LB champ has having to play more matches is deserved since they lost and dropped into LB.
I can see how awarding them a 1-0 or 2-0 lead "looks" weird and bad especially to casual viewers even if it's more fair.
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There was an "easy" way to solve the mothership question (other than looking it up on Liquipedia). The answer could only be (a) because the other numbers didn't equal a whole number when measured in Blizzard seconds.
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On November 26 2018 03:34 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:25 Pandain wrote:On November 26 2018 03:16 deacon.frost wrote:On November 26 2018 03:14 stilt wrote:On November 26 2018 02:49 LordYama wrote:
Serral is probably the most patient Zerg player I've ever seen, and possibly the most patient SC2 player I've seen. Snute and stephano beg to differ haha Yeah, Snute's swarmhost play with gazillion static defense was forgotten That's still nothing compared to Stephano in HotS with swarmhosts. Literally would never attack.... ever. Stephano vs Petraeus, the pinnacle of SC2
Truly the highest skill era.
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On November 26 2018 03:38 RadgeRayden wrote:if Serral wins next series I think he's guaranteed to surpass Hurricane as the longest holder of the unofficial world championship no
Oh that would be nice, I do have to ask how did Hurricane of all people manage to have that record
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On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable. Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran? I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all. You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time? Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy. (not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs )
The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018.
In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran.
Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment.
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On November 26 2018 03:39 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:38 RadgeRayden wrote:if Serral wins next series I think he's guaranteed to surpass Hurricane as the longest holder of the unofficial world championship no Oh that would be nice, I do have to ask how did Hurricane of all people manage to had that record
Maybe he didn't play many offline games?
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On November 26 2018 03:37 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. I see both views and think either are valid. Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet. Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least.
A two map advantage in a Bo9 is pretty close to "fair" mathematically. (1 map in a bo3 is exactly "fair" but no one wants that)
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Inno with those clones, flashback from 2016.
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On November 26 2018 03:30 IshinShishi wrote:
Zest is the sharpest player on the best form aside from Serral, so I hope he gets to the finals, inno seems slower these days than in his prime, so its hard for him to beat Serral in the current bloodbath TvZ meta.
His PvT didn't look extremely good, tho.
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On November 26 2018 03:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2018 03:37 Boucot wrote:On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead? It was 1 map last HSC no map advantage if I recall Naruto right Well that's bs Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too. I see both views and think either are valid. Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet. Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least. A two map advantage in a Bo9 is pretty close to "fair" mathematically. (1 map in a bo3 is exactly "fair" but no one wants that)
What's the model here, probability of losing the 3rd place series?
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