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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
November 25 2018 18:43 GMT
#501
Cure died for it ..........
TL+ Member
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
November 25 2018 18:44 GMT
#502
Zest is best
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12132 Posts
November 25 2018 18:44 GMT
#503
On November 26 2018 03:40 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:28 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:20 LordYama wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:11 IshinShishi wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:09 LordYama wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:07 Rodya wrote:
Once again, Bunny played better than Serral the entire game until 4 medivacs got caught and then the game became virtually unwinnable.


Just so we are clear, are you commenting on the quality of play from the two players and how it led to the outcome, or is this a balance complaint saying that Zerg is OP compared to Terran?

I think zvt is imba and at the same time Serral is much better than Bunny ;D, also catching the medivacs didnt really make much of a difference , Bunny failed to find any weaknesses at all.


You think it's imba in favor of Zerg? How do you account for soO, Rogue and Reynor losing so many matches to Terrans in this tournament? They all just had a bad tournament at the same time?

Of those 3 only Raynor was playing good inthe tourney. Rogue didn't even try and soO was still slumping hard. Reynor needs to learn how to play vs mines as he somehow missed this era or totally forgot Using Rogue especially is a pathetic try as he played horriblpy.

(not saying ZvT is imba, but on the other hand it would explain why so many good foreigner are zergs )


The player base for Zerg is relatively larger in EU/NA than in KR; implying than a korean is better than a foreigner nevertheless and that if a non korean wins it's because of op Zerg is frankly out of place in 2018.

In this HSC were invited most of the best Zerg players in the world while not actually the top Protoss or Terran; i was expecting a full Z top4 or something similar, instead we have seen an overabundance of Terran.
Only Serral is in the top8 and he is the best player in the world right now, how could it be? Sure, Zerg players may be underperforming but maybe the patch actually changed something? ASSUMING Zerg were op before, they definitely are not anymore; at least, it appears they aren't at the moment.




Oh FFS how many smileys do i have to use so people understand it's a joke...

Zergs in Korea are in slump, Dark's not there, Rogue is volatile and we lost some great names(eg Soulkey). At the same time Korean Terrans are actually good enough to use their racial advantage. We used to had plenty of good Zergs in Korea, in the blink era IIRC it was 50/50 ZP and 3 Terran
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 25 2018 18:44 GMT
#504
On November 26 2018 03:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:37 Boucot wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead?

It was 1 map last HSC

no map advantage if I recall Naruto right

Well that's bs


Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too.


I see both views and think either are valid.


Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet.

Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least.


A two map advantage in a Bo9 is pretty close to "fair" mathematically. (1 map in a bo3 is exactly "fair" but no one wants that)

Yeah but I can't remember the tournament that did that. There was also the Lone Star Clash format where the first part of the final was a Bo5 (as was every round until then), then a Bo3.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
November 25 2018 18:45 GMT
#505
On November 26 2018 03:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:37 Boucot wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead?

It was 1 map last HSC

no map advantage if I recall Naruto right

Well that's bs


Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too.


I see both views and think either are valid.


Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet.

Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least.


A two map advantage in a Bo9 is pretty close to "fair" mathematically. (1 map in a bo3 is exactly "fair" but no one wants that)


I could be problematic with the map veto if you give a map advantage, I mean if Serral start 1 map up in a ZvT and also get to play Parasite it's kind of stupid.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 25 2018 18:45 GMT
#506
On November 26 2018 03:42 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:37 Boucot wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:33 Pandain wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:26 NarutO wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:25 Luolis wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:24 TheNewEra wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:21 Zzzapper wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:20 Bagration wrote:
What's the advantage for Serral vs. the Lower Bracket winner? 2 map win lead?

It was 1 map last HSC

no map advantage if I recall Naruto right

Well that's bs


Not my call alone. I prefer 1-0 as I believe its more fair. I was overruled by several People saying playing one more series already through LB is a disadvantage and its worse for the Show too.


I see both views and think either are valid.


Mathematically a 1 map advantage in a bo7 isn't even enough to compensate for not having lost in a series yet.

Yeah, the point of a double elimination bracket is that, well, you have to lose twice to be out. A 1-map advantage (or 2 as we've already seen in the past in Bo7 or even Bo9 series) is a decent solution. No advantage at all is not, in my opinion at least.


A two map advantage in a Bo9 is pretty close to "fair" mathematically. (1 map in a bo3 is exactly "fair" but no one wants that)

What's the model here, probability of losing the 3rd place series?


Equal probability to having the player from the loser's bracket have to win two BoX series in a row.
RealEarlGamer
Profile Joined October 2018
13 Posts
November 25 2018 18:45 GMT
#507
ZvP final incoming.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 25 2018 18:45 GMT
#508
These Cyclones were doing really, really well until the Warp Prism appeared and picked up every unit that they tried to attack.
RadgeRayden
Profile Joined September 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-25 18:49:54
November 25 2018 18:46 GMT
#509
On November 26 2018 03:39 Nakajin wrote:
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On November 26 2018 03:38 RadgeRayden wrote:
if (Z)Serral wins next series I think he's guaranteed to surpass (P)Hurricane as the longest holder of the unofficial world championship no


Oh that would be nice, I do have to ask how did Hurricane of all people manage to have that record


by winning close to the end of the year, so it took a while for him to play again. Btw with this HSC serral also took the record of most defenses out of MMA, now he has 22 defenses to his name so far (potentially 23). Only needs to hang for 2 more months and he gets most time as champion (Rogue currently holds the record with 185 days total).

edit: hurricane had 8 defenses, I wasn't around but must assume he was having a good time at least
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
November 25 2018 18:46 GMT
#510
Feeel like that innovation build gets shut down by like 2 cannons. Can't lock on buildings.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
November 25 2018 18:49 GMT
#511
On November 26 2018 03:46 Doko wrote:
Feeel like that innovation build gets shut down by like 2 cannons. Can't lock on buildings.


You can't? I was sure I saw cyclones lock on Hatchery...
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
November 25 2018 18:49 GMT
#512
On November 26 2018 03:49 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:46 Doko wrote:
Feeel like that innovation build gets shut down by like 2 cannons. Can't lock on buildings.


You can't? I was sure I saw cyclones lock on Hatchery...


You did, they can
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12132 Posts
November 25 2018 18:53 GMT
#513
Zest is dead, baby, Zest is dead
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 25 2018 18:53 GMT
#514
Opening got shut down? Just go across the map an fucking kill him!
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
November 25 2018 18:53 GMT
#515
So Inno tried 1-base all-in in TvP. Then he went back to his good ol' 2-base all in.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 25 2018 18:53 GMT
#516
Not the roster move I was expecting

Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
November 25 2018 18:54 GMT
#517
On November 26 2018 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Not the roster move I was expecting

https://twitter.com/TeamQLASH/status/1066765201721184256


Really weird how they did that. Why would you build up hype in order to announce that a player has left?
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-25 18:55:20
November 25 2018 18:54 GMT
#518
On November 26 2018 03:54 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Not the roster move I was expecting

https://twitter.com/TeamQLASH/status/1066765201721184256


Really weird how they did that. Why would you build up hype in order to announce that a player has left?

That tweet makes it sound like there's more to come tbh. Possibly. If not, then yeah indeed.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 25 2018 18:55 GMT
#519
On November 26 2018 03:54 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Not the roster move I was expecting

https://twitter.com/TeamQLASH/status/1066765201721184256


Really weird how they did that. Why would you build up hype in order to announce that a player has left?

They are giving up on the dead game, going to sign an Artifact progaming team
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
November 25 2018 18:56 GMT
#520
On November 26 2018 03:55 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2018 03:54 sneakyfox wrote:
On November 26 2018 03:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Not the roster move I was expecting

https://twitter.com/TeamQLASH/status/1066765201721184256


Really weird how they did that. Why would you build up hype in order to announce that a player has left?

They are giving up on the dead game, going to sign an Artifact progaming team


The fuck is Artifact?
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