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On September 11 2017 05:27 MrWayne wrote:
easier macro, easier micro =/= better race
some of you forgot the potential the mechanic.
larva macro is really difficult but the best players know when they need units and when thay can drone or when they have the opportunity for a full tech switch etc.
Bio is realy hard to control and weeker in strait up fights than most of P or Z compositions but real masters like Byun can do things with it that no Protoss or Zerg nerver can do.
Consensus says that Terran is the strongest race if played perfectly, but perfection is obviously impossible. At lower skill levels, Zerg dominates, but it also has a lower skill ceiling than the other two races. Protoss is somewhere in the middle.
As it currently stands, I'd give 50/50 odds on any match between Dark-Stats-Inno, the best of their races.
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On September 11 2017 05:30 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:29 Bayaz90 wrote:On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:
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The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things WESG had only TWO spots for Koreans... and do you know what happened? Both of them rolled every foreigner and met eachother in the finals. Korean WESG qualifier is the most stacked tourney every year... that's the real Blizzcon He is complaining about the circuit ( foreign )
Oh, my bad. Well it goes with the theme of Koreans being treated like garbage just because of their ethnicity so I'll keep it.
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On September 11 2017 05:30 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:27 MrWayne wrote:
easier macro, easier micro =/= better race
some of you forgot the potential the mechanic.
larva macro is really difficult but the best players know when they need units and when thay can drone or when they have the opportunity for a full tech switch etc.
Bio is realy hard to control and weeker in strait up fights than most of P or Z compositions but real masters like Byun can do things with it that no Protoss or Zerg nerver can do. Consensus says that Terran is the strongest race if played perfectly, but perfection is obviously impossible. At lower skill levels, Zerg dominates, but it also has a lower skill ceiling than the other two races. Protoss is somewhere in the middle.
I dunno, Dark makes the Zerg skill ceiling look really obscene when he plays his best.
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On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go)
I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans.
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On September 11 2017 05:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:30 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 05:27 MrWayne wrote:
easier macro, easier micro =/= better race
some of you forgot the potential the mechanic.
larva macro is really difficult but the best players know when they need units and when thay can drone or when they have the opportunity for a full tech switch etc.
Bio is realy hard to control and weeker in strait up fights than most of P or Z compositions but real masters like Byun can do things with it that no Protoss or Zerg nerver can do. Consensus says that Terran is the strongest race if played perfectly, but perfection is obviously impossible. At lower skill levels, Zerg dominates, but it also has a lower skill ceiling than the other two races. Protoss is somewhere in the middle. I dunno, Dark makes the Zerg skill ceiling look really obscene when he plays his best.
He does, but playing obscenely well can be done by all races too, and I've seen more of it from P/T than Z.
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On September 11 2017 05:32 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans.
WeSG is basically the olympics
Blizzcon is the biggest event of the year, the one with the biggest crowd, biggest prize pools, biggest arena. The one every player wants to win above all. Players should get in by being good, not by living in a country that isn't korea
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On September 11 2017 05:35 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:32 Diabolique wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans. WeSG is basically the olympics Blizzcon is the biggest event of the year, the one with the biggest crowd, biggest prize pools, biggest arena. The one every player wants to win above all. Players should get in by being good, not by living in a country that isn't korea
Yes only WCS champions should go to Blizzcon, and the others should be from KR ranking. ( so Neeb and Elazer this year )
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On September 11 2017 05:35 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:32 Diabolique wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans. WeSG is basically the olympics Blizzcon is the biggest event of the year, the one with the biggest crowd, biggest prize pools, biggest arena. The one every player wants to win above all. Players should get in by being good, not by living in a country that isn't korea
WeSG is even more olympic than olympic games. BlizzCon is a good balance - 8 vs. 8 is a good ratio.
EDIT: but 12 Koreans vs. 4 foreigners might be a more realistic ratio.
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On September 11 2017 05:27 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I feel this argument is tiring tbh. It has so many different layers, why are koreans better than foreigners? Is blizzcon meant to find the absolute best player? Do foreigners "deserve" region locking to begin with, etc. Imo it's not that hard to accept that blizzard wants players from all over the world at blizzcon, especially because the korean scene itself has a decent amount of opportunities now with SSL/GSL/super tournaments/IEMs For the popularity in korea sc2's scene is pretty well off. Foreigners can have their own tournaments, and a fair shot at reaching blizzcon But don't deny guys like Solar, Maru, sOs, aLive, Dear, ByuN, Classic, Rogue etc seeds to the one event every player dreams of winning, just because they're korean. Seems like they're being robbed of their hard work, to see objectively inferior players have a better chance at it. I mean come on, Solar and aLive are koreans finalists, Classic got to SSL and GSL ro4s, sOs is a GSL finalist, Rogue is an IEM champion. They deserve a chance to play at blizzcon far more than someone like True or Kela (not that those are bad players by any means) I wanna see foreign hopes at blizzcon as much as anyone else. But the 8-8 split is ridiculous in terms of representation
Would you have less of an issue if blizzcon wouldn't provide the largest amount of money? If we only look at it from a pure competitive standpoint i agree with you. The best 16 players should be at blizzcon. The whole tournament scene is structured differently though, your approach would basically only work if we only had one region where everybody plays in the same tournaments.
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On September 11 2017 05:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:27 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I feel this argument is tiring tbh. It has so many different layers, why are koreans better than foreigners? Is blizzcon meant to find the absolute best player? Do foreigners "deserve" region locking to begin with, etc. Imo it's not that hard to accept that blizzard wants players from all over the world at blizzcon, especially because the korean scene itself has a decent amount of opportunities now with SSL/GSL/super tournaments/IEMs For the popularity in korea sc2's scene is pretty well off. Foreigners can have their own tournaments, and a fair shot at reaching blizzcon But don't deny guys like Solar, Maru, sOs, aLive, Dear, ByuN, Classic, Rogue etc seeds to the one event every player dreams of winning, just because they're korean. Seems like they're being robbed of their hard work, to see objectively inferior players have a better chance at it. I mean come on, Solar and aLive are koreans finalists, Classic got to SSL and GSL ro4s, sOs is a GSL finalist, Rogue is an IEM champion. They deserve a chance to play at blizzcon far more than someone like True or Kela (not that those are bad players by any means) I wanna see foreign hopes at blizzcon as much as anyone else. But the 8-8 split is ridiculous in terms of representation Would you have less of an issue if blizzcon wouldn't provide the largest amount of money? If we only look at it from a pure competitive standpoint i agree with you. The best 16 players should be at blizzcon. The whole tournament scene is structured differently though, your approach would basically only work if we only had one region where everybody plays in the same tournaments.
I wouldn't have any issue if Blizzcon didn't have the insane prize pools that it does. Ideally, we want the most prestigious tournaments to have the largest prize pools, so the greatest players have the most incentive to perform at their best.
Otherwise we get players like TY and sOs, who won "easy" tournaments (relatively) but got huge payouts for them.
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So Neeb vs TRUE took 35min. Neeb vs Snute took 45min. That's 80min of games for $18.5k. Pretty good for a 19yo.
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Guys every international or intercontinental sport event has the same mixture of county/skill based player seeds.
football WM: every country have a team
football champions league: the best football countrys have more seeds but also lands like Austria get at least one seed
winter sport: same system
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On September 11 2017 05:49 argonautdice wrote:
So Neeb vs TRUE took 35min. Neeb vs Snute took 45min. That's 80min of games for $18.5k. Pretty good for a 19yo.
Plus 30k ladder games
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On September 11 2017 05:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:06 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. On September 11 2017 05:03 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 04:59 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. If you managed to get bored by that series I have to say your priorities are not great TBF No I don't know man, there were games where Dark just died to the first bigger push basically. Not that amazing/exciting I can understand people who prefer cheering for foreigners. But they shouldn't call koreans bland/boring/faceless when that's just not true when you compare them to foreigners It's simply the term people use. Maybe not super accurate. But in the end it's about the language barrier and not everyone having the extra dedication to try to overcome it. Ofc the term got used mainly because koreans oftentimes didn't show any emotions after winning, but that's not really the main problem when thinking about the bigger issue.
Feels like the whole "language" thing is a bit of a euphemistic way of describing Western racism.
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Great job by Neeb. Still disappointed Scarlett had to face him so early though. She seemed to put up the best fight among his Zerg opponents.
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On September 11 2017 05:29 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:26 Nakajin wrote:On September 11 2017 05:22 DieuCure wrote:
Only top 4 foreigners should go to blizzcon.
Most of them deserve nothing and are just lazy according to their dictator.
So they will not get better, but revel in their mediocrity.
And the gap will never be filled, just look at wesg, iem katowice, gsl vs the world ( kespa cup was a pvpvpvpvpvp joke even trap was a finalist ) but just getting worse.
Blizzard tried, but they must stop this masquerade.
When you know that TLO and Mana played a lot of bw weeks before the tournament, such a joke.
TLO and Mana underperform, SoO played a lot of BW too before SSL-GSL are you gonna say those tournament are a joke? Prove it  He played asl qualifiers after getting eliminated wow
He had a super important series against Impact in SSL and decided to choke it for practising BW, it's not like he showed up to ASL without ever playing BW come on.
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On September 11 2017 05:55 Autumn22 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:06 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. On September 11 2017 05:03 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 04:59 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. If you managed to get bored by that series I have to say your priorities are not great TBF No I don't know man, there were games where Dark just died to the first bigger push basically. Not that amazing/exciting I can understand people who prefer cheering for foreigners. But they shouldn't call koreans bland/boring/faceless when that's just not true when you compare them to foreigners It's simply the term people use. Maybe not super accurate. But in the end it's about the language barrier and not everyone having the extra dedication to try to overcome it. Ofc the term got used mainly because koreans oftentimes didn't show any emotions after winning, but that's not really the main problem when thinking about the bigger issue. Feels like the whole "language" thing is a bit of a euphemistic way of describing Western racism.
No it's actually not. Not everything is based in racism, sometimes it's simply not being able to understand the content you would otherwise watch. I guess people usually don't watch foreign movies because of racism as well?
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On September 11 2017 05:56 Autumn22 wrote:
Great job by Neeb. Still disappointed Scarlett had to face him so early though. She seemed to put up the best fight among his Zerg opponents.
Only the Canadians put a dent in Neeb this weekend. Semper also took a game off him. We can be happy about that at least
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On September 11 2017 05:32 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans.
So many international tournaments being closed? All 4 of them WCS tournaments...?
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On September 11 2017 06:22 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:32 Diabolique wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I am fine with BlizzCon not being NBA, but Olympic games. I am not fine with so many international tournaments being closed for Koreans. So many international tournaments being closed? All 4 of them WCS tournaments...?
"World" Championship Series
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