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On September 11 2017 05:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:27 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I feel this argument is tiring tbh. It has so many different layers, why are koreans better than foreigners? Is blizzcon meant to find the absolute best player? Do foreigners "deserve" region locking to begin with, etc. Imo it's not that hard to accept that blizzard wants players from all over the world at blizzcon, especially because the korean scene itself has a decent amount of opportunities now with SSL/GSL/super tournaments/IEMs For the popularity in korea sc2's scene is pretty well off. Foreigners can have their own tournaments, and a fair shot at reaching blizzcon But don't deny guys like Solar, Maru, sOs, aLive, Dear, ByuN, Classic, Rogue etc seeds to the one event every player dreams of winning, just because they're korean. Seems like they're being robbed of their hard work, to see objectively inferior players have a better chance at it. I mean come on, Solar and aLive are koreans finalists, Classic got to SSL and GSL ro4s, sOs is a GSL finalist, Rogue is an IEM champion. They deserve a chance to play at blizzcon far more than someone like True or Kela (not that those are bad players by any means) I wanna see foreign hopes at blizzcon as much as anyone else. But the 8-8 split is ridiculous in terms of representation Would you have less of an issue if blizzcon wouldn't provide the largest amount of money? If we only look at it from a pure competitive standpoint i agree with you. The best 16 players should be at blizzcon. The whole tournament scene is structured differently though, your approach would basically only work if we only had one region where everybody plays in the same tournaments.
Maybe if blizzcon wasn't the biggest tournament in terms of viewership, hype, money, and pretty much everything else. I'm sure any sc2 player wants to play at blizzcon more than anywhere else. I don't agree with seeds to players because of their location over their skill. It's sad that the hard work of many korean players trying to get to blizzcon will mean nothing because of where they live
I would advocate for a 16/8 split for WCS finals. With 24 players they could do a bracket like IEM katowice did, where the top 2 or 3 from each group advance or whatever. Or a 12/4 split at least
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On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:
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This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things
I like the HSC. This year I think we have had one so far, and one is being planned I think? Can't remember when it is supposed to take place. WESG is a cool tourney too, once in a year. IEMs are great, though I wonder how many of them will feature SC2 this and next year? As it were, the entire WCS circuit is carried by DH. I so wish that Blizzard would be able to rope in a number of other events too in the circuit and set get some regularity and stability into the circuit. I trust the lads behind HSC to be able to organize two WCS per year. 
Not being able to watch too much SC2 action outside European time (and I'm sure I'm not the only one with full time job and family) there were now only two WCS events on European soil this year that I could somewhat follow. Luckily for me I must say, WCS Montreal must have started early in the day (local time) and I could watch more games than I though I would be able to. I feel it is getting difficult to keep up the passion for SC2 when you don't have much to watch / follow.
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On September 11 2017 05:31 Bayaz90 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:30 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:29 Bayaz90 wrote:On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:
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then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things WESG had only TWO spots for Koreans... and do you know what happened? Both of them rolled every foreigner and met eachother in the finals. Korean WESG qualifier is the most stacked tourney every year... that's the real Blizzcon He is complaining about the circuit ( foreign ) Oh, my bad. Well it goes with the theme of Koreans being treated like garbage just because of their ethnicity so I'll keep it.
Don't be fucking daft man. Why is it that some people here automatically interpret anything written about SC2 for foreigners to be something against koreans?? Jeez, just read what I wrote one more time, but slowly... Fans of KR must have had a pretty exiting year so far and it is continuing, am I right? Fans of the foreigner scene had four WCS events and one IEM so far, and as I pointed out above, rather few premier events to look forward to for the next 8 months or so...
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What......Should we call Snute "foreigner kong" or " foreigner soO" :OOOOOOOOO
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On September 11 2017 06:59 seemsgood wrote:
What......Should we call Snute "foreigner kong" or " foreigner soO" :OOOOOOOOO
Why? He won WCS Copa Intercontinental last year, didn't he?
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if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline.
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On September 11 2017 07:00 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 06:59 seemsgood wrote:
What......Should we call Snute "foreigner kong" or " foreigner soO" :OOOOOOOOO Why? He won WCS Copa Intercontinental last year, didn't he?
Ya but i was counting this year only 
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NEEB only dropped maps to CANADA
NA BESt STARCRAFT
wow proven btfo europe sucks
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On September 11 2017 05:55 Autumn22 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:06 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. On September 11 2017 05:03 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 04:59 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. If you managed to get bored by that series I have to say your priorities are not great TBF No I don't know man, there were games where Dark just died to the first bigger push basically. Not that amazing/exciting I can understand people who prefer cheering for foreigners. But they shouldn't call koreans bland/boring/faceless when that's just not true when you compare them to foreigners It's simply the term people use. Maybe not super accurate. But in the end it's about the language barrier and not everyone having the extra dedication to try to overcome it. Ofc the term got used mainly because koreans oftentimes didn't show any emotions after winning, but that's not really the main problem when thinking about the bigger issue. Feels like the whole "language" thing is a bit of a euphemistic way of describing Western racism.
It's not about race...
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And foreign terrans are falling apart....Good to know that blizzard are still pushing mech to become viable in all match up due to sc2 mech is less mechanic demanding than bio counterpart
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On September 11 2017 07:04 Shellshock wrote:
NEEB only dropped maps to CANADA
NA BESt STARCRAFT
wow proven btfo europe sucks
Even korea didn't take a map off neeb.
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On September 11 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline.
Or how about the western half of this country get some love for once. Dreamhack Calgary or Vancouver please
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On September 11 2017 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline. Or how about the western half of this country get some love for once. Dreamhack Calgary or Vancouver please
nah
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On September 11 2017 07:19 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 11 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline. Or how about the western half of this country get some love for once. Dreamhack Calgary or Vancouver please nah
Would be better than whatever bumfuck town you live in
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Damn, Neeb bopping people this tourney!
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On September 11 2017 06:42 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:
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And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent.
If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things I like the HSC. This year I think we have had one so far, and one is being planned I think? Can't remember when it is supposed to take place. WESG is a cool tourney too, once in a year. IEMs are great, though I wonder how many of them will feature SC2 this and next year? As it were, the entire WCS circuit is carried by DH. I so wish that Blizzard would be able to rope in a number of other events too in the circuit and set get some regularity and stability into the circuit. I trust the lads behind HSC to be able to organize two WCS per year. Not being able to watch too much SC2 action outside European time (and I'm sure I'm not the only one with full time job and family) there were now only two WCS events on European soil this year that I could somewhat follow. Luckily for me I must say, WCS Montreal must have started early in the day (local time) and I could watch more games than I though I would be able to. I feel it is getting difficult to keep up the passion for SC2 when you don't have much to watch / follow.
Rofl, you don't have to limit you to the 4 WCS event you know ?
And they will not adapt the time for you just because you can't or don't think it's worth to manage your schedule for these events
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I really want to see more Neeb vs Zerg now.
Serral and Elazer would put up a pretty good fight I think.
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On September 11 2017 07:19 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 11 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline. Or how about the western half of this country get some love for once. Dreamhack Calgary or Vancouver please nah
Gee Shellshock be careful, SGTK is gonna go to Blizzard HQ and nerf your race.
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On September 11 2017 07:30 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 06:42 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:
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The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things I like the HSC. This year I think we have had one so far, and one is being planned I think? Can't remember when it is supposed to take place. WESG is a cool tourney too, once in a year. IEMs are great, though I wonder how many of them will feature SC2 this and next year? As it were, the entire WCS circuit is carried by DH. I so wish that Blizzard would be able to rope in a number of other events too in the circuit and set get some regularity and stability into the circuit. I trust the lads behind HSC to be able to organize two WCS per year. Not being able to watch too much SC2 action outside European time (and I'm sure I'm not the only one with full time job and family) there were now only two WCS events on European soil this year that I could somewhat follow. Luckily for me I must say, WCS Montreal must have started early in the day (local time) and I could watch more games than I though I would be able to. I feel it is getting difficult to keep up the passion for SC2 when you don't have much to watch / follow. Rofl, you don't have to limit you to the 4 WCS event you know ? And they will not adapt the time for you just because you can't or don't think it's worth to manage your schedule for these events
Why are you so rude?
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On September 11 2017 07:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 07:19 Shellshock wrote:On September 11 2017 07:17 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 11 2017 07:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if they decide to go to Canada again next year i hope its Montreal. they've earned it.
look up the word boring in the dictionary and there is a picture of the Toronto skyline. Or how about the western half of this country get some love for once. Dreamhack Calgary or Vancouver please nah Would be better than whatever bumfuck town you live in
they already have DH Atlanta
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