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On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand.
IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying
(there we go)
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But fans like Tarrek are killing it.
They are happy because they are racist
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On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go)
I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones.
For the Koreans, it's basically like: You're either good enough to make the Top 8 and get a chance at a relatively easy weekender with fucking huge payoff, or you aren't and players weaker than you get paid out for being geographically distinct.
I'm sure guys like Stats, Dark, Inno will be happy because they will be jockeying for $280k, but not so much for the scene as a whole.
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But I'm glad that Neeb switched to protoss, if not, 4 championship, 1 race.
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On September 11 2017 05:06 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. On September 11 2017 05:03 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 04:59 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. If you managed to get bored by that series I have to say your priorities are not great TBF No I don't know man, there were games where Dark just died to the first bigger push basically. Not that amazing/exciting I can understand people who prefer cheering for foreigners. But they shouldn't call koreans bland/boring/faceless when that's just not true when you compare them to foreigners
It's simply the term people use. Maybe not super accurate. But in the end it's about the language barrier and not everyone having the extra dedication to try to overcome it. Ofc the term got used mainly because koreans oftentimes didn't show any emotions after winning, but that's not really the main problem when thinking about the bigger issue.
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On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones. For the Koreans, it's basically like: You're either good enough to make the Top 8 and get a chance at a relatively easy weekender with fucking huge payoff, or you aren't and players weaker than you get paid out for being geographically distinct. Good for 8 Koreans, I guess, but not so much for the scene as a whole.
All the Korean tournaments are so top heavy that it's basically the same thing even there.
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It's pretty easy to connect with either foreigners or koreans (as long as they play your race). People just get bogged down into stupid fights.
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On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones.
Considering the increased blizzcon prize pool it would be nice to see more koreans there instead of just the 8.
I'm all for foreigners getting their own tournaments that they can actually win, but it just seems unfair to rob players of blizzcon spots that are easily good enough to play there, just because they're korean. I mean ByuN, Classic, Rogue, Maru etc are probably not going, but True gets in?
I'd prefer to have 16 korean/8 foreigner. Or if they really wanted 16 overall then a 12/4 split would be more representitive of skill
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On September 11 2017 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones. For the Koreans, it's basically like: You're either good enough to make the Top 8 and get a chance at a relatively easy weekender with fucking huge payoff, or you aren't and players weaker than you get paid out for being geographically distinct. Good for 8 Koreans, I guess, but not so much for the scene as a whole. All the Korean tournaments are so top heavy that it's basically the same thing even there.
The list of championship contenders is still longer than 8 though. Not much longer, but guys like ByuN, Maru, Solar, aLive, Classic, Rogue aren't within the current top 8. You can include Dear and Zest in that list too.
On September 11 2017 05:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones. Considering the increased blizzcon prize pool it would be nice to see more koreans there instead of just the 8. I'm all for foreigners getting their own tournaments that they can actually win, but it just seems unfair to rob players of blizzcon spots that are easily good enough to play there, just because they're korean. I mean ByuN, Classic, Rogue, Maru etc are probably not going, but True gets in? I'd prefer to have 16 korean/8 foreigner. Or if they really wanted 16 overall then a 12/4 split would be more representitive of skill
This. There do exist foreigners that can slug it out with the top Koreans, and not just get roflstomped. Neeb, Serral, Elazer, for instance. But compared to the number of Koreans that can beat them? Not even close to even.
Looking at the WCS standings, #9-16 KR would have a good shot at beating #1-8 Circuit.
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On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go)
I feel this argument is tiring tbh. It has so many different layers, why are koreans better than foreigners? Is blizzcon meant to find the absolute best player? Do foreigners "deserve" region locking to begin with, etc.
Imo it's not that hard to accept that blizzard wants players from all over the world at blizzcon, especially because the korean scene itself has a decent amount of opportunities now with SSL/GSL/super tournaments/IEMs
For the popularity in korea sc2's scene is pretty well off.
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Only top 4 foreigners should go to blizzcon.
Most of them deserve nothing and are just lazy according to their dictator.
So they will not get better, but revel in their mediocrity.
And the gap will never be filled, just look at wesg, iem katowice, gsl vs the world ( kespa cup was a pvpvpvpvpvp joke even trap was a finalist ) but just getting worse.
Blizzard tried, but they must stop this masquerade.
When you know that TLO and Mana played a lot of bw weeks before the tournament, such a joke.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 11 2017 05:18 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:15 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones. For the Koreans, it's basically like: You're either good enough to make the Top 8 and get a chance at a relatively easy weekender with fucking huge payoff, or you aren't and players weaker than you get paid out for being geographically distinct. Good for 8 Koreans, I guess, but not so much for the scene as a whole. All the Korean tournaments are so top heavy that it's basically the same thing even there. The list of championship contenders is still longer than 8 though. Not much longer, but guys like ByuN, Maru, Solar, aLive, Classic, Rogue aren't within the current top 8. You can include Dear and Zest in that list too. Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:17 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:12 pvsnp wrote:On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I can understand that Blizzard needs to cater to the foreign scene for practical/financial reasons, but in that case it would be nice if they just moved some of the Blizzcon money to Korea, so higher-skilled players are rewarded more than lesser ones. Considering the increased blizzcon prize pool it would be nice to see more koreans there instead of just the 8. I'm all for foreigners getting their own tournaments that they can actually win, but it just seems unfair to rob players of blizzcon spots that are easily good enough to play there, just because they're korean. I mean ByuN, Classic, Rogue, Maru etc are probably not going, but True gets in? I'd prefer to have 16 korean/8 foreigner. Or if they really wanted 16 overall then a 12/4 split would be more representitive of skill This. There do exist foreigners that can slug it out with the top Koreans, and not just get roflstomped. Neeb, Serral, Elazer, for instance. But compared to the number of Koreans that can beat them? Not even close to even. Looking at the WCS standings, #9-16 KR would have a good shot at beating #1-8 Circuit.
A "good shot" to beat #1-8 circuit? I'd take any of those players besides alive beating any foreigner in a bo5.
To clarify: her0 sOs Byun Maru Solar Alive Classic Rogue
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On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:12 Trizz wrote:
Zerg has no micro options, all they can do is flank.
In battles like these with hydra/base vs sentry/storm it's all on the protoss and none on the zerg.
Something has to change, honestly. Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches: TRUE 3:0 DnS Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem Serral 3:0 MaNa Snute 3:1 Has So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race. How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea.
Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year...
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On September 11 2017 05:22 DieuCure wrote:
Only top 4 foreigners should go to blizzcon.
Most of them deserve nothing and are just lazy according to their dictator.
So they will not get better, but revel in their mediocrity.
And the gap will never be filled, just look at wesg, iem katowice, gsl vs the world ( kespa cup was a pvpvpvpvpvp joke even trap was a finalist ) but just getting worse.
Blizzard tried, but they must stop this masquerade.
When you know that TLO and Mana played a lot of bw weeks before the tournament, such a joke.
TLO and Mana underperform, SoO played a lot of BW too before SSL-GSL are you gonna say those tournament are a joke?
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On September 11 2017 05:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:09 Fango wrote:On September 11 2017 05:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:On September 11 2017 05:02 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:01 Heyjoray wrote:On September 11 2017 04:58 Parrek wrote:On September 11 2017 04:53 Heyjoray wrote:
Is this the kind of "Foreigner Starcraft" people were looking for? It has to be the worst Major experience ever. It is so bad that the best player are missing Neeb is on another level, but I enjoyed many of the matches. I had GSL on for Dark vs Innovation and was bored to tears because I didn't really care for the two players. Why? What are the reasons you would care for neeb? Just watch Shellshock's troll thread on reddit , Tarrek still affirms that Koreans are faceless etc, it's just a racist. People on both sides are fucking stupid. I am a person who basically only really cares for korean sc2 and i still can see where these people are coming from. It simply is harder to get a connection to players who don't speak your language. It's really not hard to understand. IMO it becomes an argument because players that aren't considered top 16 in the world get spots at blizzcon, while better players are unable to, because they're korean. People saying that foreigners are entitled to those spots because they like watching non-koreans is annoying (there we go) I feel this argument is tiring tbh. It has so many different layers, why are koreans better than foreigners? Is blizzcon meant to find the absolute best player? Do foreigners "deserve" region locking to begin with, etc. Imo it's not that hard to accept that blizzard wants players from all over the world at blizzcon, especially because the korean scene itself has a decent amount of opportunities now with SSL/GSL/super tournaments/IEMs For the popularity in korea sc2's scene is pretty well off.
Foreigners can have their own tournaments, and a fair shot at reaching blizzcon
But don't deny guys like Solar, Maru, sOs, aLive, Dear, ByuN, Classic, Rogue etc seeds to the one event every player dreams of winning, just because they're korean. Seems like they're being robbed of their hard work, to see objectively inferior players have a better chance at it.
I mean come on, Solar and aLive are koreans finalists, Classic got to SSL and GSL ro4s, sOs is a GSL finalist, Rogue is an IEM champion. They deserve a chance to play at blizzcon far more than someone like True or Kela (not that those are bad players by any means)
I wanna see foreign hopes at blizzcon as much as anyone else. But the 8-8 split is ridiculous in terms of representation
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On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:On September 11 2017 04:20 SnowfaLL wrote:
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Well, take NEEB out of the tournament and here is your top 16 ZvP matches:
TRUE 3:0 DnS
Scarlett 3:2 Harstrem
Serral 3:0 MaNa
Snute 3:1 Has
So, in actual matchups without Neeb in the game, zerg won 4 out of 4 matchups. Yeah, really weak race.
How about just admitting Neeb is SO FAR ahead of all these nerds - thats why these finals are always so one sided despite zerg DOMINATING the rest of the tournament. (6 zerg out of top 8?? yeah. so bad.) This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year...
Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things
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easier macro, easier micro =/= better race
some of you forgot the potential the mechanic.
larva macro is really difficult but the best players know when they need units and when thay can drone or when they have the opportunity for a full tech switch etc.
Bio is realy hard to control and weeker in strait up fights than most of P or Z compositions but real masters like Byun can do things with it that no Protoss or Zerg nerver can do.
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On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:On September 11 2017 04:26 Myrddrael wrote:
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This. Have a Zerg and a Terran as good as Neeb is and things would be different. Zerg tears tho And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent. If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things
WESG had only TWO spots for Koreans... and do you know what happened? Both of them rolled every foreigner and met eachother in the finals. Korean WESG qualifier is the most stacked tourney every year... that's the real Blizzcon
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On September 11 2017 05:26 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:22 DieuCure wrote:
Only top 4 foreigners should go to blizzcon.
Most of them deserve nothing and are just lazy according to their dictator.
So they will not get better, but revel in their mediocrity.
And the gap will never be filled, just look at wesg, iem katowice, gsl vs the world ( kespa cup was a pvpvpvpvpvp joke even trap was a finalist ) but just getting worse.
Blizzard tried, but they must stop this masquerade.
When you know that TLO and Mana played a lot of bw weeks before the tournament, such a joke.
TLO and Mana underperform, SoO played a lot of BW too before SSL-GSL are you gonna say those tournament are a joke?
Prove it 
He played asl qualifiers after getting eliminated wow
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On September 11 2017 05:29 Bayaz90 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2017 05:27 DieuCure wrote:On September 11 2017 05:26 BaneRiders wrote:On September 11 2017 04:52 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:49 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:47 Elentos wrote:On September 11 2017 04:42 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 11 2017 04:39 Charoisaur wrote:On September 11 2017 04:35 Nerchio wrote:On September 11 2017 04:31 SnowfaLL wrote:
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And the really sad thing is that Snute and Scarlett are both mechanically as good as Neeb, but for some stupid reason, they have this mental block vs a great protoss like Neeb and just do terrible all-ins and stupid decisions that lose them the series in 30 minutes.. (causing casual watchers to think zerg is weak rofl).. They dont do that vs other protosses like Has or MaNa, but vs Neeb they just go "Welp, I cant win anyways so mise well do a terrible 2 base timing!" - Its basically the mentality of foreigner zerg since the artosis/idra days - they are so ingrained with the balance whining that they dont even try unless they THINK they are massively superior vs an opponent.
If Neeb switched to Zerg, he would be GSL level. He is just a superior player in all aspects of the game. The problem was always that you can talk whatever shit you want but I need to prove the imbalance in 50 page essays. To be honest no % statistics that you can bring up will show if PvZ is broken or not. Try asking all top50 zergs and top50 protosses if PvZ is fair at the moment and then draw some conclusions. 49 out of 50 zergs(except TLO) will say it's not and probably even half of protosses will say the same. then why is only 1 toss in the top 8 WCS standings? because only Neeb and ShoWTime were sufficiently skilled in the foreign scene to be able to seize the opportunity, and ShoWTime had an awful year for reasons. The other highly talented players of the foreign scene are Z (most of them) and T (roughly as many legit T as there are P). Please edit your post as to not insult PtitDrogo, the greatest French Protoss to have ever played at Blizzcon. actually PtitDrogo was an oversight from me, he is genuinely skilled. Wonder why he had such a rough year overall. An insulting oversight I had to correct. I think there's too much bracket luck involved in WCS this year. TLO got Neeb in 3 group stages, Neeb and Major played each other in the bracket stage 3 times while both were title contenders, etc. And it affects Drogo as well. At Valencia and Jonköping he was stuck in one half of a bracket with all the best ZvP players outside of Korea. Bracket luck sure gets more important where there are only 4 WCS tourneys like this year. Last year there 10 right? Not including blizzcon. I've said it before, I think Blizzard thoroughly ruined the WCS circuit and next year will likely be just as deploring. Except for the top 8 in the WCS standing, the foreigner scene (whatever is left of it) can start practice for the next WCS event, likely to take place in May 2018. There are no other significant event to look forward to. How is that for a bright and shining future? To think that people here still complain about foreigners getting too much from Blizzard when KR has had non-stop action throughout the year... Yes IEM, WESG, HSC aren't things WESG had only TWO spots for Koreans... and do you know what happened? Both of them rolled every foreigner and met eachother in the finals. Korean WESG qualifier is the most stacked tourney every year... that's the real Blizzcon
He is complaining about the circuit ( foreign )
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