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SinO[Ob]
France897 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:06 Elentos wrote: I mean, no matter how well Showtime played (which was pretty damn well), I don't think it's an excuse to say ByuN played like poorly. No I think its ok to say he played poorly, Im refering about "oh no he was jetlag""oh no BO3 says nothing"'oh no he had something that tasted funny for dinner" :D | ||
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:09 EatingBomber wrote: LOL. Did you understand the basic meaning behind what Thorn said? Here , let me hold your hand for you: He isn't saying the results aren't relevant. He is saying rather that this result is overhyped as this has happened several times before, and thus that this doesn't prove anything in particular. Or perhaps keep riding the hype train and remain blissfully oblivious. So if Showtime beat byun 3-2 it meant more than him beating him 2-0? Tell me about all the times where a foreigner outplayed one of the very best koreans in two macrogames. No that's actually what he implies. he continues to say "don't look at that result, it's just xxx". And when you have enough bo3's, then that should count for quite alot. Reasonable people do not ignore any form of data, but weight them all properly and then looks at the big picture to inform their opinion. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16385 Posts
here we go speaking for the 8+ billion people living on earth again. don't speak for me. don't tell me what i think. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: the problem is those people didn't come back when wcs changed, they just stopped paying attention to sc2 altogether I didn't say it is saving sc2 or anything, but it's definitely not the cause of its decline. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:17 SinO[Ob] wrote: No I think its ok to say he played poorly, Im refering about "oh no he was jetlag""oh no BO3 says nothing"'oh no he had something that tasted funny for dinner" :D the thing with his dinner is a legit excuse  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:14 Hider wrote: Sure you can, and there are definitely some way BW is a better game. But Thorin just has never explained what specifically he likes more about BW other than "Sc2 was shit when it was released in 2010". And I am pretty sure he doesn't watch BW regularly. All he has said was that "He still watches it to this day". sure but that can be one game a month. And if you really think BW is a fantastic game, then you also think that Sc2 is at least a decent game, because the differences aren't that huge. Like there is no way BW is a 10/10 game and SC2 a 2/10 game. Afaik Thorin watched BW when it was already on the decline and read all the TL live report threads to understand the history, etc (who was a favorite, why, etc). I also am sure that he explained why he likes it more over multiple amas and videos as well tbh Differences are actually pretty huge, but yeah it's mostly a "compared to this, the other thing is bad". Like when you watched a really good tv show and are disappointed with the next one because it's simply not the same lvl even if it is still "objectively" good. Not sure if this is the right place though :D Especially now that TY vs Elazer starts | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:16 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: the problem is those people didn't come back when wcs changed, they just stopped paying attention to sc2 altogether That's really an oversimplification that you're replying to anyway. I didn't stop watching Starcraft 2 for 4 years because I had to learn about a Korean player. I stopped watching / playing because blord infestor was boring as fuck and there were better ways to spend my time. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:15 Charoisaur wrote: oh, the viewer numbers they are showing must be wrong then it's more of a general tendency than people backing off from starcraft because of the wcs change | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:11 EatingBomber wrote: Lol at all the people who think Thorin has an 'awful' personality. This man is unquestionably one of the most intelligent, funniest, productive, and hardworking guys in any esport. When a foreign player wins decisively against a tournament favorite and first thing you do is to go on twitter and downplay what Showtime just did (not sure if he's trolling or not) certainly does show intelligence, although I agree that he's productive by sparking a discussion | ||
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stevorino
957 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15867 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:18 Makro wrote: it's more of a general tendency than people backing off from starcraft because of the wcs change there are many factors for it but I think wcs changes is one of them | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:15 jalstar wrote: Do people really think that Koreans losing is causing viewership to go down? A lot of people left in the first place due to faceless Koreans Yeah when it was a different set of Koreans coming out to each tournament and winning things it was really hard for the casual audience to keep up/care about them. Hence the facelessness. Those who regularly turned up (MarineKing for instance) got that foreign following that was good for the scene. Consistency in the people you see is a core component of building a fan following. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: here we go speaking for the 8+ billion people living on earth again. don't speak for me. don't tell me what i think. for me it doesn't matter if it's an amazing game by foreigner or korean, but it is my 1st blizzcon when I haven't missed a single game so I don't mind overall | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1203 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:14 Nocci wrote: Dammit, just got home... Really (pleasently) surprised by the Showtime vs Byun result. Were the games any good, worth watching despite already knowing the results? Not really unless you're into the "woo a foreigner won so hypehypehype" thing. | ||
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EatingBomber
1017 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:17 Hider wrote: So if Showtime beat byun 3-2 it meant more than him beating him 2-0? No let me hold your hand here: The problem is that some people make it out to be that results should basically be ignore unless very specific/narrow conditions are met. Reasonable people - on the other hand - does not ignore any form of data, but weight them all properly and then looks at the big picture to inform their opinion. Yes, beating ByuN in a Bo5 is definitely more meaningful than in a Bo3. And LOL, don't be pathetic. Thorin was not discounting Bo3s , but rather saying that their result was not as impressive as beating them in a Bo5 would be. Stop being deliberately blind and suggesting that I or Thorin view things in a black-and-white manner. | ||
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Biscuittzz
155 Posts
Blizzcon has been a Ro16 Bo5 since 2013 yet this year, the year when foreigners are present, the format is changed to a group stage Bo3. It's well known that a foreigner has a much better chance of beating a Korean when it's Bo3 rather than a Bo5 and also having a second chance in the losers match. Is it too much tinfoil hat thinking or have Blizz really done all they can to give every advantage to foreigners this year? | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: here we go speaking for the 8+ billion people living on earth again. don't speak for me. don't tell me what i think. i mean one guy in the thread that posted that lol..im sure other people can think that but there is no way to prove it. yes viewership is down overall but that is everywhere including in kr. you can even see it in the stream numbers they go up when a foreigner is beating a korean | ||
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Hider
Denmark9341 Posts
I also am sure that he explained why he likes it more over multiple amas and videos as well tbh Show me a link to when he talks about the specific design differences between BW and Sc2. | ||
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