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On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
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On April 15 2015 21:21 Swoopae wrote:No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)
I'm one of those people, sorry everyone.
This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.
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On April 15 2015 21:20 Swoopae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:15 Penev wrote:On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote:
Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please? Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one? Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.
SK is not on a kespa team.
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Norway25712 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
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On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
You'll have to understand what those line movements in the bets mean. I isn't that hard to understand. I was in the same place as you about this until I took the time to understand.
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On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
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On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells? Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
There was nothing in game one to make me think about match fixing.
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On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells? Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
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Pinnacle just replied to my tweet
'Our last line for the match on Soulkey was -219 and on Map 1 Creator was -290'
This means that Soulkey was more than a 2-1 favourite to win the series, but Creator was a 3-1 favourite to win the first map. Obviously this is pretty much impossible without the first map being fixed and also explains Soulkey going from a 3-1 favourite where the odds started to a 2-1 favourite overall.
Edit:: DJhelium linked it above
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Can we just clear this from match fixing or something? I'm here to enjoy starcraft II , I don't care to listen to people speculate about match fixing... =\
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Norway25712 Posts
This tells me nothing.
I have never bet on anything ever.
Except liquibets.
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On April 15 2015 21:23 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.
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Maybe these punters have some sort of clairvoyance or time travel that allows them to see the future. Why must you guys suspect matchfixing?
Bunch of irrational people.
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i played HS. ofc - Artosis
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On April 15 2015 21:24 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:23 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases. Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.
So status quo then >.>
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Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm.
He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market)
At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
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On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells? Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
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Norway25712 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:24 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing? The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes. It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now. If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells? Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass. The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
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On April 15 2015 21:22 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 21:21 Swoopae wrote:On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times) I'm one of those people, sorry everyone. This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.
Still no statement from MVP either :/
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