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As of page 39, matchfixing discussion is banned from this thread. Please keep that discussion in the relevant thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/483048-pinnacle-voids-soulkey-vs-creator-bets
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:22 GMT
#601
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:22 GMT
#602
On April 15 2015 21:21 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool


No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)


I'm one of those people, sorry everyone.

This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
April 15 2015 12:22 GMT
#603
On April 15 2015 21:20 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:15 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote:
Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?

Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?


Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series

So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.

SK is not on a kespa team.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#604
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:24:12
April 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#605
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.

You'll have to understand what those line movements in the bets mean. I isn't that hard to understand. I was in the same place as you about this until I took the time to understand.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#606
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.

I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:23 GMT
#607
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#608
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.

There was nothing in game one to make me think about match fixing.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#609
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.

The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:24:59
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#610
Pinnacle just replied to my tweet

'Our last line for the match on Soulkey was -219 and on Map 1 Creator was -290'

This means that Soulkey was more than a 2-1 favourite to win the series, but Creator was a 3-1 favourite to win the first map. Obviously this is pretty much impossible without the first map being fixed and also explains Soulkey going from a 3-1 favourite where the odds started to a 2-1 favourite overall.

Edit:: DJhelium linked it above

ScienceRob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#611
Can we just clear this from match fixing or something? I'm here to enjoy starcraft II , I don't care to listen to people speculate about match fixing... =\
Carpe Diem
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#612
On April 15 2015 21:23 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/PinnacleSports/status/588315675661217794

This tells me nothing.

I have never bet on anything ever.

Except liquibets.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
April 15 2015 12:24 GMT
#613
On April 15 2015 21:23 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.

I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.

Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
April 15 2015 12:25 GMT
#614
Maybe these punters have some sort of clairvoyance or time travel that allows them to see the future. Why must you guys suspect matchfixing?

Bunch of irrational people.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
April 15 2015 12:25 GMT
#615
i played HS. ofc - Artosis
TL+ Member
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
April 15 2015 12:25 GMT
#616
On April 15 2015 21:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.

I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.

Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.

So status quo then >.>
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#617
Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm.
He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market)
At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#618
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.


Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.

Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#619
On April 15 2015 21:24 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.

The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%

So?

I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
April 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#620
On April 15 2015 21:22 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:21 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool


No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)


I'm one of those people, sorry everyone.

This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.

Still no statement from MVP either :/
I Protoss winner, could it be?
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