FanTaSy vs Pigbaby Game 1 FanTaSy vs Pigbaby Game 2 FanTaSy vs Pigbaby Game 3 FanTaSy vs Pigbaby Game 4 FanTaSy vs Pigbaby Game 5 Terminator vs HerO Game 1 Terminator vs HerO Game 2 Terminator vs HerO Game 3 Terminator vs HerO Game 4 Terminator vs HerO Game 5 Soulkey vs Creator Game 1 Soulkey vs Creator Game 2 Soulkey vs Creator Game 3 Soulkey vs Creator Game 4 Soulkey vs Creator Game 5
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
60%
★★★- Good game (2)
20%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
11%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
67%
★★★- Good game (1)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
67%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (5)
63%
★★★- Good game (3)
38%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (5)
63%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
3%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (8)
21%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (29)
76%
38 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
8%
★★★- Good game (6)
46%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
38%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
29%
★★★- Good game (5)
36%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★- Good game (2)
25%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
25%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
44%
★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
75%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (2)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
67%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 4?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
33%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
33%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
50%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
25%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
FanTaSy vs Pigbabyin in GSL Code A Season 2 round of 48. FanTaSy is at 41.01% Blizzcon Chances. 68.35% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 49.2%. 31.65% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 23.31%. Pigbaby is at 0.1% Blizzcon Chances. 31.65% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.28%. 68.35% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.02%.
HerO vs Terminatorin in GSL Code A Season 2 round of 48. HerO is at 0.19% Blizzcon Chances. 47.3% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.37%. 52.7% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.03%. Terminator is at 10.72% Blizzcon Chances. 52.7% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 16.43%. 47.3% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 4.36%.
Creator vs Soulkeyin in GSL Code A Season 2 round of 48. Creator is at 0.28% Blizzcon Chances. 33.5% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.71%. 66.5% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 0.06%. Soulkey is at 61.58% Blizzcon Chances. 66.5% of the time they win this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 68.68%. 33.5% of the time they lose this match and their Blizzcon Chances go to 47.49%.
FanTaSy has a 68.35% chance to win ----going from 41.01% to 49.2% if they get 1st, or 23.31% if they don't. Soulkey has a 66.5% chance to win ----going from 61.58% to 68.68% if they get 1st, or 47.49% if they don't. Trust has a 63.47% chance to win ----going from 0.52% to 0.77% if they get 1st, or 0.08% if they don't. Curious has a 60.34% chance to win ----going from 0.71% to 1.11% if they get 1st, or 0.12% if they don't. MarineKing has a 53.54% chance to win ----going from 1.11% to 1.83% if they get 1st, or 0.28% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Terminator has a 52.7% chance to win ----going from 10.72% to 16.43% if they get 1st, or 4.36% if they don't. HerO has a 47.3% chance to win ----going from 0.19% to 0.37% if they get 1st, or 0.03% if they don't. Patience has a 46.46% chance to win ----going from 0.85% to 1.59% if they get 1st, or 0.21% if they don't. BrAvO has a 39.66% chance to win ----going from 0.06% to 0.14% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. MC has a 36.53% chance to win ----going from 0.67% to 1.53% if they get 1st, or 0.18% if they don't. Creator has a 33.5% chance to win ----going from 0.28% to 0.71% if they get 1st, or 0.06% if they don't. Pigbaby has a 31.65% chance to win ----going from 0.1% to 0.28% if they get 1st, or 0.02% if they don't.
PartinG has a 13.11% chance to win ----going from 99.94% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they get 2nd. Life has a 9.64% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they get 2nd. herO has a 8.28% chance to win ----going from 99.99% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they get 2nd. Rain has a 6.3% chance to win ----going from 49.37% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 91.53% if they get 2nd. Maru has a 6.25% chance to win ----going from 99.99% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they get 2nd. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Dark has a 5.64% chance to win ----going from 56.57% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 95.99% if they get 2nd. INnoVation has a 5.21% chance to win ----going from 45.84% to 99.97% if they get 1st, or 89.37% if they get 2nd. Rogue has a 4.32% chance to win ----going from 43.25% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 91.26% if they get 2nd. sOs has a 4.01% chance to win ----going from 21.05% to 95.67% if they get 1st, or 58.6% if they get 2nd. Bbyong has a 3.56% chance to win ----going from 23.1% to 96.95% if they get 1st, or 63.61% if they get 2nd. soO has a 3.24% chance to win ----going from 23.35% to 85.09% if they get 1st, or 53.14% if they get 2nd. Solar has a 3.04% chance to win ----going from 13.56% to 87.16% if they get 1st, or 43.55% if they get 2nd. FanTaSy has a 2.82% chance to win ----going from 41.01% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 92.7% if they get 2nd. GuMiho has a 2.56% chance to win ----going from 17.66% to 94.24% if they get 1st, or 56.43% if they get 2nd. MMA has a 2.41% chance to win ----going from 20.86% to 97.9% if they get 1st, or 65.67% if they get 2nd. ByuL has a 2.17% chance to win ----going from 21.38% to 89.46% if they get 1st, or 55.94% if they get 2nd. Flash has a 2.01% chance to win ----going from 3.98% to 51.35% if they get 1st, or 3.01% if they don't. Soulkey has a 1.96% chance to win ----going from 61.58% to 100% if they get 1st, or 98.9% if they get 2nd. TY has a 1.95% chance to win ----going from 17.96% to 98.77% if they get 1st, or 65.27% if they get 2nd. Dream has a 1.77% chance to win ----going from 83.75% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.96% if they get 2nd. Sacsri has a 1.73% chance to win ----going from 4.54% to 60.95% if they get 1st, or 3.54% if they don't. Bomber has a 1.47% chance to win ----going from 5.87% to 75.92% if they get 1st, or 29.31% if they get 2nd. YoDa has a 1.09% chance to win ----going from 3.06% to 60.73% if they get 1st, or 2.43% if they don't. MyuNgSiK has a 1.05% chance to win ----going from 4.82% to 80.35% if they get 1st, or 4.02% if they don't. Terminator has a 0.83% chance to win ----going from 10.72% to 99.23% if they get 1st, or 67.55% if they get 2nd. Symbol has a 0.56% chance to win ----going from 1.08% to 47.91% if they get 1st, or 0.82% if they don't. RagnaroK has a 0.54% chance to win ----going from 0.55% to 30.85% if they get 1st, or 0.39% if they don't. Trust has a 0.43% chance to win ----going from 0.52% to 32.84% if they get 1st, or 0.38% if they don't. Curious has a 0.42% chance to win ----going from 0.71% to 41.9% if they get 1st, or 0.54% if they don't.
IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
I'm not quite sure what to think of Terminator. He qualifies for a lot of stuff but he seems to be pretty hit or miss when it comes to playing in the studio
On April 15 2015 07:12 plotspot wrote: Wow, if someone wrote TY instead of Pigbaby under this picture, I'd believe it.
O.o so true! Are we sure it isn't a pic of TY? it looks like him, same facial structure and all
If you write Pigbaby backwards it spells ybabgiP which begins with the same first letter as TY spelled backwards (YT) so I wouldn't be surprised if they were clones or something
On April 15 2015 08:56 Shellshock wrote: Just a heads up my house lost power just now kek. I can still update from phone but this means I won't lr as well unless the power comes back
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
You hit 53k in mid-December 2013, the same day I reached 10k. Assuming we keep up about the same rate as we have since then, you'll reach 100k in August 2016 and I'll reach 100k in late 2017.
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
You hit 53k in mid-December 2013, the same day I reached 10k. Assuming we keep up about the same rate as we have since then, you'll reach 100k in August 2016 and I'll reach 100k in late 2017.
Oh, I didn't recognize you, I'm not used to your pen
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
You hit 53k in mid-December 2013, the same day I reached 10k. Assuming we keep up about the same rate as we have since then, you'll reach 100k in August 2016 and I'll reach 100k in late 2017.
Oh, I didn't recognize you, I'm not used to your pen
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
You hit 53k in mid-December 2013, the same day I reached 10k. Assuming we keep up about the same rate as we have since then, you'll reach 100k in August 2016 and I'll reach 100k in late 2017.
I just did the math, if I keep my same posting pace as I have now, I'll hit 100k on June 22 2023
I come bearing low quality photo evidence of a tree winning against power lines
Whoops the orientation is off. I'm not driving out there again though. Utility people already working on it
Imagine it rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise. It looks like what fantasy is going to do to pigbaby's colossi
Did Khaydarin Amulet come back from the Void in your area?
Yeah but the storm was very short lived. Patched out in under an hour
GG ez Man (or should I say Robot), you post so much haha. I swear you had only 50k a few months ago. When do you plan to reach 100k?
I've actually been posting a lot less in the last year or so. I haven't been able to catch as many broadcasts cause I've been busy. I don't think I've made a thread for sc2 since August maybe. I'm still years away from 100k even if I had kept up my pace from when I was doing threads and live reporting a bunch. I think I've only caught 1 of the first 6 days of code a live
You hit 53k in mid-December 2013, the same day I reached 10k. Assuming we keep up about the same rate as we have since then, you'll reach 100k in August 2016 and I'll reach 100k in late 2017.
Oh, I didn't recognize you, I'm not used to your pen
I'm not either <.<
You shouldn't have left the Brotherhood of Battlecruisers
IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
so this thread and liquipedia say this starts at Wednesday, Apr 15 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) but the TL calendar says Wednesday, Apr 15 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
On April 15 2015 12:06 Die4Ever wrote: so this thread and liquipedia say this starts at Wednesday, Apr 15 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) but the TL calendar says Wednesday, Apr 15 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
It's 5:30, I put in the calendar entry without checking and it was apparently approved in the same way >.>
On April 15 2015 12:06 Die4Ever wrote: so this thread and liquipedia say this starts at Wednesday, Apr 15 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) but the TL calendar says Wednesday, Apr 15 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
It's 5:30, I put in the calendar entry without checking and it was apparently approved in the same way >.>
yea it has been 30 after the hour for the previous nights, just wanted to make sure
On April 15 2015 07:00 Shellshock wrote: IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
On April 15 2015 17:17 Edpayasugo wrote: What is wizard stream?
Not sure if it works these days, however it produces the GSL stream in like 720p quality for free but it lags sometimes. Useful though if it works and you have high bandwidth capabilities.
On April 15 2015 07:00 Shellshock wrote: IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
Fantasy > Pigbaby Terminator > HerO Soulkey > Creator
Terminator is the only upset I'm projecting from the TL write up. I just think that Terminator has proved he can play at a level necessary for individual leagues recently while HerO hasn't.
Can't say I'm necessarily a fan of HerO but I'm rooting for him just for the chance we get to see both heroes in GSL. herO has some payback to serve after all those losses in Proleague in 2013. B)
On April 15 2015 17:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: What the hell, is this 2012? HerO in GSL, Shellbot made a thread?
I'm getting rekt by power outage though. Only have current phone battery
Fucking excuses, prepare yourself for a duel for that ban hammer. If you have done the polls upload them into the OP and ill see if i can bail you out. Fucking slackbot. Cricketer 2.0 confirmed?
On April 15 2015 17:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: What the hell, is this 2012? HerO in GSL, Shellbot made a thread?
I'm getting rekt by power outage though. Only have current phone battery
Fucking excuses, prepare yourself for a duel for that ban hammer. If you have done the polls upload them into the OP and ill see if i can bail you out. Fucking slackbot. Cricketer 2.0 confirmed?
On April 15 2015 17:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: What the hell, is this 2012? HerO in GSL, Shellbot made a thread?
I'm getting rekt by power outage though. Only have current phone battery
Fucking excuses, prepare yourself for a duel for that ban hammer. If you have done the polls upload them into the OP and ill see if i can bail you out. Fucking slackbot. Cricketer 2.0 confirmed?
Lorning is helping me out. Praise be him \o/
Pfft You just slacking and asked Lorning bae to help out, you probs blackmailed him. Leave master wayne alone!
Oh man, what happened? I missed the start of the game, but even I, lulz level player, leaves a sentry on the ramp to force field helions, this map is the epitome of "I drop here and sent helions there" on the ladder nowadays. Or am I just feeling lucky? :D
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On April 15 2015 18:45 deacon.frost wrote: Oh man, what happened? I missed the start of the game, but even I, lulz level player, leaves a sentry on the ramp to force field helions, this map is the epitome of "I drop here and sent helions there" on the ladder nowadays. Or am I just feeling lucky? :D
Though, go Fanta!
it's common to do 3-stalker openings because they are really the best vs marine pokes and vs early drops
On April 15 2015 18:45 deacon.frost wrote: Oh man, what happened? I missed the start of the game, but even I, lulz level player, leaves a sentry on the ramp to force field helions, this map is the epitome of "I drop here and sent helions there" on the ladder nowadays. Or am I just feeling lucky? :D
Though, go Fanta!
it's common to do 3-stalker openings because they are really the best vs marine pokes and vs early drops
Well, I agree on every other map, but on this map the force field on the ramp is... godlike But that's me, turtle spoon protoss
Edit> It's like screaming DENIED over the whole map :>
On April 15 2015 18:48 TheDwf wrote: The Colossus didn't want to go out of the robo, but Aiur sent it regardless
Isn't the colossus just a re-purposed piece of mining equipment? I'm sure whoever is in charge of the production facilities was more worried about padding his quarterly report than how it does on the field.
On April 15 2015 18:48 Die4Ever wrote: well hopefully the next games are better...
I'm fine with watching that exact game 3 times
I guess that'd be worth it just for the comedy value, like the inverse of the NesTea vs Inca finals where the player who keeps doing the same exact thing wins
On April 15 2015 18:52 KristofferAG wrote: Only 5k viewers for a lineup like that?
Is Code A not cool now?
Quality is abysmal and honestly the level of play in Code A is not as good anymore. Tonight is first in a while that got me interested though, it is a decent lineup.
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On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
Hmm after last season of ProLeague ended I think?
Yes he left SKT during the offseason.
Hm. Was it because he's not... good enough? :<
On April 15 2015 19:04 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:55 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:54 Pandemona wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:52 KristofferAG wrote: Only 5k viewers for a lineup like that?
Is Code A not cool now?
The quality drove alot of people away
Decent quality on Korean stream though!
Probe BBQ ^^
which one are you watching? Afreeca?
The one linked in OP!
the official version is that FanTa wanted to experience new things and thus did not renew his contract
I guess I can kinda buy into that, after being on SKT for like 7 years.
On April 15 2015 18:58 KristofferAG wrote: Power metal between games and horrible free quality. Not much changed for GOM I see :D
The more things change
plus c'est la même chose.
Errr what's Dead Pixels?
C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
Hmm after last season of ProLeague ended I think?
Yes he left SKT during the offseason.
Hm. Was it because he's not... good enough? :<
On April 15 2015 19:04 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:55 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:54 Pandemona wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:52 KristofferAG wrote: Only 5k viewers for a lineup like that?
Is Code A not cool now?
The quality drove alot of people away
Decent quality on Korean stream though!
Probe BBQ ^^
which one are you watching? Afreeca?
The one linked in OP!
the official version is that FanTa wanted to experience new things and thus did not renew his contract
I guess I can kinda buy into that, after being on SKT for like 7 years.
and he honestly got better after leaving, now he is faintly relevant
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Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs PigBaby Game 3?
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C'est plus la même chose* (I guess) dPix is a Swiss team, whose players (all or some? I dunno) are housed in Axiom's house iirc. It is running for the best team name award this year.
My French is rusty as hell! :D
Ah, it sounded really familiar is all. When did Fantasy split with SKT?
Hmm after last season of ProLeague ended I think?
Yes he left SKT during the offseason.
Hm. Was it because he's not... good enough? :<
On April 15 2015 19:04 Gwavajuice wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:55 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:54 Pandemona wrote:
On April 15 2015 18:52 KristofferAG wrote: Only 5k viewers for a lineup like that?
Is Code A not cool now?
The quality drove alot of people away
Decent quality on Korean stream though!
Probe BBQ ^^
which one are you watching? Afreeca?
The one linked in OP!
the official version is that FanTa wanted to experience new things and thus did not renew his contract
I guess I can kinda buy into that, after being on SKT for like 7 years.
and he honestly got better after leaving, now he is faintly relevant
Well, I'm all for it then! Less painful to cheer for someone struggling.
On April 15 2015 19:12 Gwavajuice wrote: But tastosis... if you pull the boys you have to kill, going for the 3rd is a loss of time, right?
and if you don't think there s a third you don't pull the boys in the first place???
or do I miss something?
No you're right, if you go for the third and retreat you've not really done enough damage to justify disabling the majority of your own economy. Especially if it was just a nexus and no probes were there. You really should kill with the boys pull.
On April 15 2015 19:19 KatatoniK wrote: Fanta's sudden resurgence is making me sad. First he took out Rain in IEM and now he's beating Pigbaby. STOP CRUSHING MY FAVOURITE PROTOSSES FANTA T_T
Also why is Pigbaby's TLPD picture still of TY, it's bugging me D:
On April 15 2015 19:19 KatatoniK wrote: Fanta's sudden resurgence is making me sad. First he took out Rain in IEM and now he's beating Pigbaby. STOP CRUSHING MY FAVOURITE PROTOSSES FANTA T_T
Also why is Pigbaby's TLPD picture still of TY, it's bugging me D:
He also beat Rain at Gfinity and the KeSPA Cup qualifiers. He's bullying him, I tell you.
On April 15 2015 19:12 Gwavajuice wrote: But tastosis... if you pull the boys you have to kill, going for the 3rd is a loss of time, right?
and if you don't think there s a third you don't pull the boys in the first place???
or do I miss something?
No you're right, if you go for the third and retreat you've not really done enough damage to justify disabling the majority of your own economy. Especially if it was just a nexus and no probes were there. You really should kill with the boys pull.
Pigbaby saved the probes so there was only empty 3rd? I kinda wasn't watching(at work).
On April 15 2015 19:12 Gwavajuice wrote: But tastosis... if you pull the boys you have to kill, going for the 3rd is a loss of time, right?
and if you don't think there s a third you don't pull the boys in the first place???
or do I miss something?
No you're right, if you go for the third and retreat you've not really done enough damage to justify disabling the majority of your own economy. Especially if it was just a nexus and no probes were there. You really should kill with the boys pull.
Pigbaby saved the probes so there was only empty 3rd? I kinda wasn't watching(at work).
Dunno, wasn't paying attention either, just saying that if that happens you really can't go back home :S
On April 15 2015 19:12 Gwavajuice wrote: But tastosis... if you pull the boys you have to kill, going for the 3rd is a loss of time, right?
and if you don't think there s a third you don't pull the boys in the first place???
or do I miss something?
No you're right, if you go for the third and retreat you've not really done enough damage to justify disabling the majority of your own economy. Especially if it was just a nexus and no probes were there. You really should kill with the boys pull.
Pigbaby saved the probes so there was only empty 3rd? I kinda wasn't watching(at work).
Dunno, wasn't paying attention either, just saying that if that happens you really can't go back home :S
Ah, OK. I thought Fatna could stomped the 3rd with dead pixels... eh, dead probes, obv. and retreat. But I am no terran, so I don't know if it's worth it after the Oracle.
I've read that they wanted to give medium for free this season. What happend to that? Did they say anything about this, or did they just not do it without saying anything?
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On April 15 2015 19:28 CruelZeratul wrote: I've read that they wanted to give medium for free this season. What happend to that? Did they say anything about this, or did they just not do it without saying anything?
Code A is "preseason"? I think they are planning this for the Code S start
On April 15 2015 19:28 CruelZeratul wrote: I've read that they wanted to give medium for free this season. What happend to that? Did they say anything about this, or did they just not do it without saying anything?
On April 15 2015 19:31 jonich0n wrote: Starcraft gods, please put FlaSh and FanTaSy in the same group with 4 terrans. That's all I really want for christmas this year.
I mean, that's the easiest way for FlaSh to advance a round in Code S, but keep in mind GSL groups are formed by the players choosing their opponents.
On April 15 2015 19:30 KatatoniK wrote: That was disappointing, I would expect Pigbaby to have better PvT given he's team mates with Maru and Cure.
I dunno, does getting stomped by them in practice really help that much? :S
I'd have figured he learned some $O$ mindgames by now tho.
I'd figure they'd discuss games and how to deal with certain things, learning sOs mindgames would be glorious also though. Just imagine PvT with sOs mindgames and knowledge on Terran given by Maru and Cure.
On April 15 2015 19:30 KatatoniK wrote: That was disappointing, I would expect Pigbaby to have better PvT given he's team mates with Maru and Cure.
Fantasy's TvP is really good actually.
It actually is, he's been bullying Rain with it a lot recently. Not good enough to beat PartinG, but still pretty good.
Rain and PartinG are on opposite ends of the Protoss scale. Rain is the macro, defensive very unbullshit kind of Protoss and PartinG is very high on the bullshit tactics scale. That might play into it.
On April 15 2015 19:30 KatatoniK wrote: That was disappointing, I would expect Pigbaby to have better PvT given he's team mates with Maru and Cure.
Fantasy's TvP is really good actually.
It actually is, he's been bullying Rain with it a lot recently. Not good enough to beat PartinG, but still pretty good.
Rain and PartinG are on opposite ends of the Protoss scale. Rain is the macro, defensive very unbullshit kind of Protoss and PartinG is very high on the bullshit tactics scale. That might play into it.
PartinG is the best defensive bullshit tactician in SC2 tho. Like, mine drops do nothing to him even when he's doing weird bullshit across the map. And he's also pretty damn good in macro if he so chooses. He must be the single most annoying player to prepare for in a tournament, bar $O$. Has doesn't count because preparing is pointless.
On April 15 2015 19:45 Gwavajuice wrote: Okay so this will end up in mass colossarchons because of new patch or is there a chance they go for a different late game?
I mean, Terminator does like carriers, but I don't see it happening.
On April 15 2015 19:45 Gwavajuice wrote: Okay so this will end up in mass colossarchons because of new patch or is there a chance they go for a different late game?
On April 15 2015 19:45 JamesT wrote: Nothing against Creator, but I want Soulkey to obliterate his opponent. I would want him to do this against any Code A opponent.
After the few nights last week of watching Code A on mute during S2SL and coming back to Code A casting tonight. I'm starting to remember why I had them on mute.
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On April 15 2015 19:45 JamesT wrote: Nothing against Creator, but I want Soulkey to obliterate his opponent. I would want him to do this against any Code A opponent.
Woongjin Stars fighting (rip )
The Soulkey and sOs duo are my favorite zerg and protoss players, respectively. (Favorite Terran is probably MMA) If the 2 were one the same team I would switch my logo in a heartbeat.
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On April 15 2015 20:12 Die4Ever wrote: omfg if only he sent the obs sooner wtf
There was no point for it to be where it was. He knew the location of at least one DT cause it killed his pylon and he also knew he is revealed with no nexus. Hover obs over final building and win.
I think HerO would have lost no matter what if both players play it perfectly, Terminator had more stalkers and losing 3 of them already was a huge mistake imo.
On April 15 2015 20:16 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think HerO would have lost no matter what if both players play it perfectly, Terminator had more stalkers and losing 3 of them already was a huge mistake imo.
I mean, if both play it perfectly Terminator doesn't lose his only source of detection.
On April 15 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote: Terminator why you rebuilding the robo now? What good did the cancel do you then? :/
Needed the money ASAP for Stalkers as sacking 2 Oracles could completely destroy his crippled economy if he had a low Stalker count, and the Robo would have been of no benefit that early given that he knows HerO opened Stargate.
On April 15 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote: Terminator why you rebuilding the robo now? What good did the cancel do you then? :/
Needed the money ASAP for Stalkers as sacking 2 Oracles could completely destroy his crippled economy if he had a low Stalker count, and the Robo would have been of no benefit that early given that he knows HerO opened Stargate.
But he didn't build that many more stalkers and the oracles were out of energy for a while :S
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The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
I wouldn't be so sure, looking at the potentially involved players so far, there seems to be a clear trend imo
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
Wait, Soulkey was 8.xx to win first map? Can you confirm that? Did you take a screenshot? ffs, that's so obvious especially when he was the favourite for the series.
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
I wouldn't be so sure, looking at the potentially involved players so far, there seems to be a clear trend imo
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:36 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:34 KOVU wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
Meh. We live in a world where TANGTANG beat Zest d:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:36 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:34 KOVU wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
This has been explained a million times in the previous matchfixing threads. Almost no player is 8 time favourite, certainly not Creator vs Soulkey.
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
That parlay leg is cancelled and the parlay plays out with an adjusted price as if it was never included in the parlay
Can someone confirm if the Soulkey Map 1 price was 8.xx like that guy said? Soulkey was a fav in map 1 a few mins before they took the line down
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:36 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:34 KOVU wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
This has been explained a million times in the previous matchfixing threads. Almost no player is 8 time favourite, certainly not Creator vs Soulkey.
Fuck this
Soulkey is the favourite in those bets, and tbh Creator's PvZ is so shitty it almost justifies it.
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On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:36 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:34 KOVU wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
This has been explained a million times in the previous matchfixing threads. Almost no player is 8 time favourite, certainly not Creator vs Soulkey.
Fuck this
Soulkey is the favourite in those bets, and tbh Creator's PvZ is so shitty it almost justifies it.
I know. I'm saying he's not 8 to 1 favourite (if those numbers are correct). Like, no way.
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
Can you please clarify the betting price on both Soulkey and Creator for map 1, this post is unclear
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29%
★★★- Good game (5)
36%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
29%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 5?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
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★★★- Good game (2)
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
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★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
25%
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Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs HerO Game 5?
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On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Just stop this betting thing altogether. It is corrupting.
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Just stop this betting thing altogether. It is corrupting.
Well illegal betting will exist no matter what, you know
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
It's the other way round.... If betting indicates that everyone is betting on Soulkey it means SK's opponent (Creator) will lose 100%
On April 15 2015 20:36 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:34 KOVU wrote:
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
So that could mean I have to scrap Soulkey from my favourite players list. God fucking dammit
No, Creator is the suspect, not SK
That should be everyone's bet even without matchfixing tbh <.<
This has been explained a million times in the previous matchfixing threads. Almost no player is 8 time favourite, certainly not Creator vs Soulkey.
Fuck this
Soulkey is the favourite in those bets, and tbh Creator's PvZ is so shitty it almost justifies it.
I know. I'm saying he's not 8 to 1 favourite (if those numbers are correct). Like, no way.
Morrow vs Hydra was 1 to 5 iirc?
Soulkey was roughly -300 favourite before the line movement and around -200 for Map 1 from memory which seemed about right
Still unclear what the line movement was, did Soulkey become an 8-1 favourite or underdog in map 1? Either is ridiculous obviously but it changes who the suspect is
On April 15 2015 07:00 Shellshock wrote: IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
Can you please clarify the betting price on both Soulkey and Creator for map 1, this post is unclear
Okay so overall match of Soulkey - Creator had odds as I remember ~1.6 on soulkey winning and ~2.x on creator winning. However the Map 1 odds were 8x on Soulkey winning. I realize my post before was completely wrongly worded. I did not get to screenshot as I was trying to bet myself and wasn't allowed since it kept updating lines (with odds being even more skewed) - and then shortly after the entire match dissapeared.
On April 15 2015 07:00 Shellshock wrote: IM BACK MOTHER FUCKERS AND I MADE A THREAD SET MY ALARM FOR 5 SO I GET OUT OF BED IM PUTTING POLLS HERE SO YOU ALL CAN CHOOSE WHICH PROS GONNA WIN AND WHICH SCRUBS GONNA LOSE
I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Was watching the lines. I posted it earlier but Map 1 had 8x on soulkey to win. So im betting Soulkey is gonna lose first map
What happens to parleys when they cancel a match?
Can you please clarify the betting price on both Soulkey and Creator for map 1, this post is unclear
Okay so overall match of Soulkey - Creator had odds as I remember ~1.6 on soulkey winning and ~2.x on creator winning. However the Map 1 odds were 8x on Soulkey winning. I realize my post before was completely wrongly worded. I did not get to screenshot as I was trying to bet myself and wasn't allowed since it kept updating lines (with odds being even more skewed) - and then shortly after the entire match dissapeared.
By 8x you mean 8.00 on Soulkey meaning he was the underdog? If so that's incredibly damning Or do you mean the price is 8.00 on Creator?
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
You don't realise the amount of money that has to be bet in order for the betting lines to change so drastically... If you bet a couple ten thousands the profit will be large enough.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
depends on how much you bet. if it is a sure thing, might as well bet a million and cash your 10% return
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
I think the principle is that you want to make sure that the non-favored player loses. I mean it is always possible that SK has a bad day and Creator practiced a fuckton for this match, and ends up winning. And then you lose a lot of money if you didn't make sure Creator would lose. Even if you get a small return on your bet, you still get a 100% certain return. I mean take ForGG vs MarineLord. MarineLord had, like, 20% chances of winning that Bo5? Less than that maybe? Yet someone betting a lot on ForGG would have been very very close to losing his money.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't if you think that you don't understand math and statistics let along the observations of numerous pros who agreed with the analysis.
On topic
It doesn't matter if the favourite or underdog is guaranteed to lose if a match if it is fixed it is free money betting on the other player regardless of the odds. Marineking was never a favourite against Byul, but when Byul got bet in from 1.70 to 1.07 someone knew he was going to win in a bo1.
If either Soulkey or Creator is 8.00 in ANY map in a bo1 it's 99% likely to be match fixing. Soulkey was only a 3 to 1 favourite for the series let alone a single map.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
No, it wasn't. Besides, you should just skip the stupid bashing posts.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
No, it wasn't. Besides, you should just skip the stupid bashing posts.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
No, it wasn't. Besides, you should just skip the stupid bashing posts.
It was mostly ppl saying the same things over and over again though, with the occasional "MK is 100% sure innocent !" or "MK should be burned at the stake RIGHT NOW" thrown in. Not saying that it was a bad thread, there were interesting things said, but most were drowned in a mass of useless posts. Like the useful vs useless posts ratio was 1/20. Maybe 1/10 with extended tolerance.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Honestly it is.
At one point we'll have to realize that Pinacle's reasons for voiding esport bet are not as solid as they want us to believe, they just concerned about match fixing and just don't want to ruin their young and growing esport betting branch with a scandal.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
No, it wasn't. Besides, you should just skip the stupid bashing posts.
It was mostly ppl saying the same things over and over again though, with the occasional "MK is 100% sure innocent !" or "MK should be burned at the stake RIGHT NOW" thrown in
Those posts are, unfortunately, always going to be there but there was also a lot of relevant information. You know that because you where there.
On April 15 2015 20:32 Swoopae wrote: So this just happened
[E Sports] [Starcraft 2 - Global StarCraft 2 League ] [Match] Soulkey vs Creator. Your bet with ticket-ID: 458325769, 458326419 has been refunded. All bets taken have been refunded due to the following reason: [Abnormal and suspicious betting activity has been detected for this event. All wagers from all customers have been cancelled. This action is taken very rarely and is for the protection of all our customers.] . Thank you!
The game hasn't happened yet and all bets have been refunded. I wasn't watching the lines live i'm trying to get the info on whether the suspicious money was bet on Creator or Soulkey
Just stop this betting thing altogether. It is corrupting.
Betting will happen regardless of whether through regulated sportsbooks or illegal sportsbooks. The key is for Kespa to get their house in order and punish players who participate in match fixing.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Honestly it is.
At one point we'll have to realize that Pinacle's reasons for voiding esport bet are not as solid as they want us to believe, they just concerned about match fixing and just don't want to ruin their young and growing esport betting branch with a scandal.
as if pinnacle was the only reason. but i am sure you know the korean scene better than rekrul or inuh
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Yes, it was mostly people bashing each others heads in over "MK guilty or not?". Check your facts Lorning!
No, it wasn't. Besides, you should just skip the stupid bashing posts.
It was mostly ppl saying the same things over and over again though, with the occasional "MK is 100% sure innocent !" or "MK should be burned at the stake RIGHT NOW" thrown in
Those posts are, unfortunately, always going to be there but there was also a lot of relevant information. You know that because you where there.
On April 15 2015 20:49 Lorning wrote: I dont get why they would ask Creator to throw his game. He's very unlikely to win anyway, so everyone will be betting on SK. Don't get too much profit out of that, right?
This has been explained multiple times in the MK thread (and the other one)
Well, I don't visit those threads because it's mostly guessing and falsely accusing people
No it isn't. You would've known if you read them
Honestly it is.
At one point we'll have to realize that Pinacle's reasons for voiding esport bet are not as solid as they want us to believe, they just concerned about match fixing and just don't want to ruin their young and growing esport betting branch with a scandal.
It really isn't. You should try to understand how this betting works. It's not hard to understand. I did and, well, it did make me wiser but certainly not hapier if you know what I mean.
On April 15 2015 21:00 Swoopae wrote: KOVU can you please clarify whether Soulkey or Creator was the big favourite/underdog for Map 1 with the absurd betting line since I missed it?
On April 15 2015 20:46 KOVU wrote: Okay so overall match of Soulkey - Creator had odds as I remember ~1.6 on soulkey winning and ~2.x on creator winning. However the Map 1 odds were 8x on Soulkey winning. I realize my post before was completely wrongly worded. I did not get to screenshot as I was trying to bet myself and wasn't allowed since it kept updating lines (with odds being even more skewed) - and then shortly after the entire match dissapeared.
On April 15 2015 20:56 Elentos wrote: Honestly, Creator vs Soulkey is not very hype :S
SoulKey is fucking hype man
PvZ is not very hype right now. Give me Soulkey in TvZ and I'll be hyped.
Can't see why either. PvZ has been sick for all of HotS. Might even turn out to be better now without agonizing SH games.
I don't consider +2 blink stalker into killing the Zerg sick after seeing it 100 times, sorry. PvZs often just don't turn into an interesting game.
What? PvZ easily has the most variety of any matchup in sc2 right now.
That doesn't make the games interesting by itself at all. Just because they have a variety of options doesn't mean they use them to their full potential. Especially if just hitting a "timing" is generally enough to end the game.
On April 15 2015 21:00 Swoopae wrote: KOVU can you please clarify whether Soulkey or Creator was the big favourite/underdog for Map 1 with the absurd betting line since I missed it?
On April 15 2015 20:46 KOVU wrote: Okay so overall match of Soulkey - Creator had odds as I remember ~1.6 on soulkey winning and ~2.x on creator winning. However the Map 1 odds were 8x on Soulkey winning. I realize my post before was completely wrongly worded. I did not get to screenshot as I was trying to bet myself and wasn't allowed since it kept updating lines (with odds being even more skewed) - and then shortly after the entire match dissapeared.
Yeah I saw that post, i'm not sure if he meant the map 1 odds were 8x as likely for soulkey to win, or the soulkey odds were 8.00 meaning creator was 8x as likely to win and just wanted clarification on the matter
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote: If creator wins what does it all mean?
Some guy asked told his rich friends he asked creator to throw. But in reality he asked and payed soulkey to throw, so he could bet on Creator and rack in all the sweet money
On April 15 2015 21:06 showstealer1829 wrote: To be fair as in it doesn't explain an 8-1 underdog. I wouldn't pick Creator drunk and on a dare either
It's pretty impossible for a player to only be a 3-1 favourite to win a best of 5 series, but 8-1 to win a specific map. The favourite is always more likely to win a longer series than a single map. I'm still not clear on which player all of the money was bet on from KOVU's wording.
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote: If creator wins what does it all mean?
Well either Soulkey was the legit 8-1 favourite in that one map or the fact that the bets were voided caused them to abandon their plans? I dunno, Kev.
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote: If creator wins what does it all mean?
That the betting scene had a false positive where betters jumped onto the Soulkey train, Creator's build was leaked, or Creator isn't going to lose on purpose.
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote: If creator wins what does it all mean?
either matchfixing wasn't a reality for this game (ie matchfixers trying to throw Pinnacle off their guard), or Creator somehow manages to win while wanting to lose I guess?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
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★★★- Good game (2)
22%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
11%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Since the bets have been voided he decided to win instead. It's only logical.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Yeah true. Well let's wait until he clarifies then
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote: Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?
Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:16 ejozl wrote: Is it just me or are they super underestimating Creator? He's pretty much become the ace of Prime and is on the rise.
Creator's PvZ is pretty bad, although a lot of it is nerve issues.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Kovu didn't make that clear from his post he said 'Soulkey was 8x in map 1' but didn't clarify what that meant
Apparently I'm an idiot with explaining odds. The way the odds showed was that betting 1$ on Soulkey winning map 1 would give back 8$ if he won.
In that regard the Map 1 odds showed that Soulkey was by far the underdog. But the odds for the entire series Creator was the underdog according to the odds.
Bare in mind that the odds changed from Soulkey favored to BIG underdog within a short period of time.
Yeah. Ok. So Soulkey was the match fixing suspect and went from a 2-1 favourite to 8-1 underdog then lost.
That sucks, I was hoping we weren't right and Creator was 8.00 but if Soulkey paid 8.00 in Map 1 and lost it was fixed
FU Soulkey. Burn him with the rest of the match fixing scum.
Do you happen to have a screenshot to clarify betting line etc for people who want a picture? I've emailed Pinnacle.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote: Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?
Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?
Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series
So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
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★★★- Good game (0)
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★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
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★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote: If creator wins what does it all mean?
either matchfixing wasn't a reality for this game (ie matchfixers trying to throw Pinnacle off their guard), or Creator somehow manages to win while wanting to lose I guess?
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote: So we have insta switched to SK? looool
No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote: Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?
Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?
Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series
So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.
Wait so you can say SK is a 100% match fixer now >.<
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
People are quick on jumping onto this, but they aren't doing it because of how the game played out, but because the outcome confirmed the betting lines.
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote: Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!
Since the bets have been voided he decided to win instead. It's only logical.
Yup. I don't see why he wouldn't know the bets are off. Ofc he would then try his best.
Just speculating: if he head planned to throw by failing a cannon rush he might not have had any other builds prepared. Might as well do the throw build without the planned mistakes. I know it's not really any proof, but the fact that this game was cannon rush makes the yet again accusation of fixing a match more propable than a "normal" build would.
On side not fueling this fire with 0 official reactions keeps gnawing the respectability of the scene little by little. KeSPA / Blizzard really should do/say something as the issue doesn't seem to be fading away on it's own like they are hoping. I'd prefer anything over the silence at this point.
edit: apparently the lines were the other way around (for SK to throw)... the rest of what I wrote still stands.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote: So we have insta switched to SK? looool
No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)
I'm one of those people, sorry everyone.
This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote: Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?
Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?
Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series
So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
You'll have to understand what those line movements in the bets mean. I isn't that hard to understand. I was in the same place as you about this until I took the time to understand.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
There was nothing in game one to make me think about match fixing.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
'Our last line for the match on Soulkey was -219 and on Map 1 Creator was -290'
This means that Soulkey was more than a 2-1 favourite to win the series, but Creator was a 3-1 favourite to win the first map. Obviously this is pretty much impossible without the first map being fixed and also explains Soulkey going from a 3-1 favourite where the odds started to a 2-1 favourite overall.
Can we just clear this from match fixing or something? I'm here to enjoy starcraft II , I don't care to listen to people speculate about match fixing... =\
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
I agree that no accusations should be made without proper investigation, but what we have is enough to suspect him of match-fixing, just like all the precedent cases.
Yes, suspecting, but if you look around in this thread, LR is currently playing judge, jury and executioner.
Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm. He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market) At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote: So we have insta switched to SK? looool
No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)
I'm one of those people, sorry everyone.
This matchfixing thing and the total silence from tournament organizers, teams AND Blizzard just really pisses me off. It will be the death of the korean SC2 scene.
What a good day to matchfix. Espessialy after MKP showing up in the booth yesterday like nothing ever happened and Wolf saying "there was no evidence, lets just ALL FORGET ABOUT IT"
The whole scene is a joke. Matchfixing is almost happening WEEKLY at this point and no one cares, no one does anything.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
SC2 has maps that have a huge effect on a single game, so it´s really not the same.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
On April 15 2015 21:27 maGicc wrote: What a good day to matchfix. Espessialy after MKP showing up in the booth yesterday like nothing ever happened and Wolf saying "there was no evidence, lets just ALL FORGET ABOUT IT"
The whole scene is a joke. Matchfixing is almost happening WEEKLY at this point and no one cares, no one does anything.
Enjoy watching the scripted matches.
Well people are watching wrestling(and I don't mean the Greek-Roman wrestling), right?
Edit> Not sure how is the "proper" wrestling named in English, since you named "ananas" the Pineapple
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
SC2 has maps that have a huge effect on a single game, so it´s really not the same.
Maps have 5% effect on the game at best, we are talking about a solid favorite turning into 30% (or worse) underdog. If you dont have a clue about the betting you shouldnt post foolish comments.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
SC2 has maps that have a huge effect on a single game, so it´s really not the same.
Maps have 5% effect on the game at best, we are talking about a solid favorite turning into 30% (or worse) underdog. If you dont have a clue about the betting you shouldnt post foolish comments.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
Ah ok! Say Creator is a 3 to 1 favourite. If you bet 100 dollars on Soulkey, you get 300 dollars back if he wins. If you bet 100 dollars on Creator, you get 100/3=~33 dollars back if he wins.
On April 15 2015 21:24 KristofferAG wrote: This tells me nothing. I have never bet on anything ever. Except liquibets.
I never got the whole betting thing either. It seems a pretty insidious drug to those who get addicted.
There are plenty of people who have gambling problems but there are also plenty of people, myself included, who can and do gamble responsibly. It's like alcohol or anything else you can use it responsibly, or not.
Match fixers aren't 'bettors' anyway they're people rigging a market. Think someone rigging the lottery, that's not gambling, it's criminal activity. Betting itself is fine if it's a level playing field. Match fixing is disgusting and against the law.
That matchfixing occurs in Korea has been proved on multiple occassions. This is something that we know, it's not just guesswork. However, I think we need to calm down with the accusations some. We should be upset and demand some kind of official statement and investigation, but there's no point to damn a player without actual evidence.
On April 15 2015 21:24 KristofferAG wrote: This tells me nothing. I have never bet on anything ever. Except liquibets.
I never got the whole betting thing either. It seems a pretty insidious drug to those who get addicted.
There are plenty of people who have gambling problems but there are also plenty of people, myself included, who can and do gamble responsibly. It's like alcohol or anything else you can use it responsibly, or not.
Match fixers aren't 'bettors' anyway they're people rigging a market. Think someone rigging the lottery, that's not gambling, it's criminal activity. Betting itself is fine if it's a level playing field. Match fixing is disgusting and against the law.
On April 15 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm. He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market) At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
Is there a VOD? I'm really getting tired of this...
Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?
Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote: Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?
Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote: Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?
Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
It has been discussed before ; it was possible though not very likely for the first voided bet, but now with cases accumulating... That's just not a viable answer anymore.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
Ah ok! Say Creator is a 3 to 1 favourite. If you bet 100 dollars on Soulkey, you get 300 dollars back if he wins. If you bet 100 dollars on Creator, you get 100/3=~33 dollars back if he wins.
This is why I don't understand Korean match fixing. With some of the these ridiculous odds would the payout be awful even if it is guaranteed money? Wouldn't it make more sense to rig it so the heavy underdog wins?
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote: Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?
Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
I suspect the match fixing goes wrong because other people than the match fixers find out about the match fixing and join in, making it too obvious. Swoopae?
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
Ah ok! Say Creator is a 3 to 1 favourite. If you bet 100 dollars on Soulkey, you get 300 dollars back if he wins. If you bet 100 dollars on Creator, you get 100/3=~33 dollars back if he wins.
This is why I don't understand Korean match fixing. With some of the these ridiculous odds would the payout be awful even if it is guaranteed money? Wouldn't it make more sense to rig it so the heavy underdog wins?
because if a huge underdog beats a top Korean every week or so it's kinda noticeable? d:
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote: Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?
Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
I mean probably, but you have to ask yourself why the favorite of the betting line always wins.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
Ah ok! Say Creator is a 3 to 1 favourite. If you bet 100 dollars on Soulkey, you get 300 dollars back if he wins. If you bet 100 dollars on Creator, you get 100/3=~33 dollars back if he wins.
This is why I don't understand Korean match fixing. With some of the these ridiculous odds would the payout be awful even if it is guaranteed money? Wouldn't it make more sense to rig it so the heavy underdog wins?
No they bet such high amounts that it is very profitable still
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
How about a player not scouting for proxy hatch after scouting late pool and gas and no expansion?
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
I don't think so, certainly they can play out a "close" game to dodge the claim too.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote: [quote] The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
Well, the bets were more than just "weird", but whatever.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Lets say it like this. Is there any player you think have a huge advantage on a specific map but a big disadvantage in a series (that includes that map)?
It doesn't exist. The only explanation is that somebody bet A LOT of money on Soulkey losing map one.
So why would someone do that? Even if they knew Creator had a super build for the map, it's not that strange to see Soulkey holding it off. After all, he is the favourite.
No, the only sensible reason someone would do it is if they KNEW Soulkey would lose that map.
Only one way to know that
Oh, no, I just didn't get the numbers. I get what they mean sorta, people have said that a couple of times in the thread, I just don't get what the numbers are. Or what a line is.
Ah ok! Say Creator is a 3 to 1 favourite. If you bet 100 dollars on Soulkey, you get 300 dollars back if he wins. If you bet 100 dollars on Creator, you get 100/3=~33 dollars back if he wins.
This is why I don't understand Korean match fixing. With some of the these ridiculous odds would the payout be awful even if it is guaranteed money? Wouldn't it make more sense to rig it so the heavy underdog wins?
The odds don't matter if a player is 100% to win it's literally free money
Also, Creator was paying +200 for map 1 when the bets started, the lines are dynamic not fixed. So much money was bet on Creator he closed at -290 according to Pinnacle and may have been even higher at some point
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote: [quote] It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
Sure, I agree. So the people with all this supposed evidence need to start presenting it, and force organizations into action.
I've been holding my breath on that supposedly scene-shattering article about matchfixing that was supposed to come out and ruin the whole Korean scene and, well, I'm getting a little dizzy from lack of oxygen over here.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
Except this time you didn't find a thief, something was just missing from your house...
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
How about a player not scouting for proxy hatch after scouting late pool and gas and no expansion?
and then you have the same strategy getting scouted, on same map, against a better opponent and still win, and used in a the last game of bo5 individual league. hard to say if mkp is just being mkp
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
So far the "proof" everyone has been trying to use is like...15-20% at best, though.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
We had that in the Marineking match and some people still werent convinced
A good match fixer will make a bunch of small mistakes to lose, Marineking was just bad at it.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
Sure, I agree. So the people with all this supposed evidence need to start presenting it, and force organizations into action.
I've been holding my breath on that supposedly scene-shattering article about matchfixing that was supposed to come out and ruin the whole Korean scene and, well, I'm getting a little dizzy from lack of oxygen over here.
It will probably never happen because it would mean bad publicity if they were to confirm match fixing happening...
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
This is the 5th time bets have been cancelled in a couple months and there were multiple other matches that were suspicious.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
Yeah voided bets are at... 5? 6? since the beginning of the year iirc. Swoopae confirmation? d:
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
So far the "proof" everyone has been trying to use is like...15-20% at best, though.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
This is the 5th time bets have been cancelled in a couple months and there were multiple other matches that were suspicious.
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote: [quote] Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
Sure, I agree. So the people with all this supposed evidence need to start presenting it, and force organizations into action.
I've been holding my breath on that supposedly scene-shattering article about matchfixing that was supposed to come out and ruin the whole Korean scene and, well, I'm getting a little dizzy from lack of oxygen over here.
It will probably never happen because it would mean bad publicity if they were to confirm match fixing happening...
I think it's more likely that all this "proof" people supposedly have is not nearly as iron clad as it's made out to be.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
Yeah voided bets are at... 5? 6? since the beginning of the year iirc. Swoopae confirmation? d:
San, Marineking, Super Map 1, Innovation Map 1 and Soulkey today to my knowledge
Additionally some of us believe Yoda v Bunny was fixed and a couple of other suspicious games
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote: What exactly about that match screams match fixing?
The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.
It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?
Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.
Sure. So call for an investigation along with the rest of us.
Basically to put this in say tennis terms, this is like Nadal being a 3-1 favouite over Hewitt to win the match but Hewitt is a favourite to win the first set. It makes no sense.
SC2 has maps that have a huge effect on a single game, so it´s really not the same.
Maps have 5% effect on the game at best, we are talking about a solid favorite turning into 30% (or worse) underdog. If you dont have a clue about the betting you shouldnt post foolish comments.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
So far the "proof" everyone has been trying to use is like...15-20% at best, though.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
I agree with you, but the point still stands. The evidence is circumstantial and we cannot judge just yet. A lot of things are suspicious and I'd love to see official statements and investigations. All I'm trying to say is that we still don't have proof that's beyond the shadow of a doubt.
On April 15 2015 21:24 DBooN wrote: [quote] The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
Sure, I agree. So the people with all this supposed evidence need to start presenting it, and force organizations into action.
I've been holding my breath on that supposedly scene-shattering article about matchfixing that was supposed to come out and ruin the whole Korean scene and, well, I'm getting a little dizzy from lack of oxygen over here.
It will probably never happen because it would mean bad publicity if they were to confirm match fixing happening...
I think it's more likely that all this "proof" people supposedly have is not nearly as iron clad as it's made out to be.
Hah... If that was the case they'd just tell us that and EVERYONE would be happy. Unfortunately we don't live in such a dream world :/
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
This is the 5th time bets have been cancelled in a couple months and there were multiple other matches that were suspicious.
And no statements at all from officials?
That's just dumb.
MVP promised to give a statement about the MK match yesterday but didn't :/
On April 15 2015 21:24 DBooN wrote: [quote] The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%
So?
I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?
the problem is that offical statements are not happening. match fixing in korea is well known to insiders
To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.
Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.
to guys like rekrul or inuh there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening
Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.
I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
I agree that its wrong to accuse single players. but the match fixing in korea wont stop if everyone just does nothing and waits
Sure, I agree. So the people with all this supposed evidence need to start presenting it, and force organizations into action.
I've been holding my breath on that supposedly scene-shattering article about matchfixing that was supposed to come out and ruin the whole Korean scene and, well, I'm getting a little dizzy from lack of oxygen over here.
It will probably never happen because it would mean bad publicity if they were to confirm match fixing happening...
I think it's more likely that all this "proof" people supposedly have is not nearly as iron clad as it's made out to be.
No, it is, you just don't understand the proof because you are not a sportsbettor. A multibillion dollar corporation's fraud team as well as progamers including Kane, Welmu, Huk and Rekrul agree with us.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
Yeah voided bets are at... 5? 6? since the beginning of the year iirc. Swoopae confirmation? d:
San, Marineking, Super Map 1, Innovation Map 1 and Soulkey today to my knowledge
Additionally some of us believe Yoda v Bunny was fixed and a couple of other suspicious games
you should also keep track of the suspicious activity that didn't pan out, just so data is complete
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
This is the 5th time bets have been cancelled in a couple months and there were multiple other matches that were suspicious.
And no statements at all from officials?
That's just dumb.
MVP promised to give a statement about the MK match yesterday but didn't :/
They also promised this the day after the game. They promised it would be out yesterday too. Still no statement.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
You have proof that the bets were fucky. What you need is proof from the game showing some sort of suspicious play, or something directly linking SK to the odd betting patterns.
Yeah, once again "omg the bets looked like,...SO WEIRD guys" is absolutely not proof that you can use to accuse a certain player of matchfixing or not.
That's like finding a thief in your house that's stealing something and assuming he just wanted to return it after he caught someone else trying to steal it, there is no 100%
So far the "proof" everyone has been trying to use is like...15-20% at best, though.
no it's above 99% if you understand maths
I understand the math and the betting just fine, but it's not proof that the players themselves were involved in any sort of matchfixing. For that you need to show me evidence of money changing hands and conversations/contact with people doing this sort of matchfixing stuff.
I'm sorry, but betting lines and all the probability/math associated with that are NOT ENOUGH to say with any sort of confidence that "Yes, Soulkey is almost definitely matchfixing."
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STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
Yeah voided bets are at... 5? 6? since the beginning of the year iirc. Swoopae confirmation? d:
San, Marineking, Super Map 1, Innovation Map 1 and Soulkey today to my knowledge
Additionally some of us believe Yoda v Bunny was fixed and a couple of other suspicious games
you should also keep track of the suspicious activity that didn't pan out, just so data is complete
The one case that occurred was Terror vs Byul and the steam was much, much smaller (Terror became a very small favourite). I suspect that was the match fixers trying to throw Pinnacle's algorithm off but can't confirm anything.
TeamLiquid should request another interview with Pinnacle, they answered my tweet just a few minutes ago. Their fraud prevention team could answer questions with more complete information than I could.
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
I agree, this deserves a seperate thread, preferably with Pinnacle comment.
On that note, let's go Creator, send Soulkey to Code B
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games and have a good time or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
Tell that the moderators who close thread after thread about this matchfixing thing
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.
No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.
We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
It's circumstantial evidence and not direct evidence. You need a lot of it to judge someone. I'm not saying that the accusations are incorrect, but the situation can undoubtedly be argued. Soulkey matchfixing isn't an absolute fact, it's just a possibility still.
Would be nice if any tournament organizer, team OR Blizzard said anything about it then. Like "we're investigating" or "we've seen proof it's nothing".
The total silence makes me think they all know it's going on, but no-one wants to say anything because it might hurt the scene.
The problem is that eventually it will not only hurt it, but destroy the Korean Starcraft 2 scene.
Has this sort of thing been happening a lot lately? I haven't really been following for... a couple of years.
:|
Yeah voided bets are at... 5? 6? since the beginning of the year iirc. Swoopae confirmation? d:
San, Marineking, Super Map 1, Innovation Map 1 and Soulkey today to my knowledge
Additionally some of us believe Yoda v Bunny was fixed and a couple of other suspicious games
you should also keep track of the suspicious activity that didn't pan out, just so data is complete
The one case that occurred was Terror vs Byul and the steam was much, much smaller (Terror became a very small favourite). I suspect that was the match fixers trying to throw Pinnacle's algorithm off but can't confirm anything.
TeamLiquid should request another interview with Pinnacle, they answered my tweet just a few minutes ago. Their fraud prevention team could answer questions with more complete information than I could.
there's really nothing left to ask pinnacle that isn't already known or that they would answer. perhaps once MVP make their statement kespa will be more willing to answer. if you have any specific or enlightening questions (that aren't leading) you can PM me and we can try to ask them if we can get them to do a useful interview
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
where?
I made a new one now since the old ones are locked.
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
No, a lot of us have jumped to skype to discuss off topic shit because we didn`t want to take over LR threads with it.
You`re literally just pouring gasoline on the fire. That`s not productive either.
On April 15 2015 21:46 Wintex wrote: STOP discussing match fixing in this thread. This is a live report thread. You are literally just making this into a second pinnacle thread and ruining it for people that want to discuss the games or people that are in a position where they can only read about the game, but not view.
This is a forum, and multiple threads can be opened here.
ostrich mode activated
as if lr threads are only allowed to go off topic for funny stuff
There is a specific thread for this discussion thoiugh
On April 15 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm. He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market) At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
Is there a VOD? I'm really getting tired of this...
On April 15 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm. He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market) At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-
Is there a VOD? I'm really getting tired of this...
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (1)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
33%
3 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 4?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 5?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
50%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
25%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 5?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Wait, what happened in the last game? I saw soulkey on the gold, creator shooting down his own rocks with a bunch of sentries, and the commentators (as usual) saying nothing about what is happening but instead just repeating how impossible it is for players X (X = creator here) to win the game. I leave a few mins, and I see a happy creator taking his headphones off. wut?
On April 15 2015 22:12 Cascade wrote: Wait, what happened in the last game? I saw soulkey on the gold, creator shooting down his own rocks with a bunch of sentries, and the commentators (as usual) saying nothing about what is happening but instead just repeating how impossible it is for players X (X = creator here) to win the game. I leave a few mins, and I see a happy creator taking his headphones off. wut?
Creator controlled his army really well and killed Soulkey after SK lost his gold base.
On April 15 2015 22:12 Cascade wrote: Wait, what happened in the last game? I saw soulkey on the gold, creator shooting down his own rocks with a bunch of sentries, and the commentators (as usual) saying nothing about what is happening but instead just repeating how impossible it is for players X (X = creator here) to win the game. I leave a few mins, and I see a happy creator taking his headphones off. wut?
On April 15 2015 22:12 Cascade wrote: Wait, what happened in the last game? I saw soulkey on the gold, creator shooting down his own rocks with a bunch of sentries, and the commentators (as usual) saying nothing about what is happening but instead just repeating how impossible it is for players X (X = creator here) to win the game. I leave a few mins, and I see a happy creator taking his headphones off. wut?
Creator had so many sentries he made a new map with them. And that map was pretty bad for roach/ling army, so SoulKey lost.
On April 15 2015 23:01 Ej_ wrote: I'm very upset with what happened today, but I still have a very important question: Will the liquibet on SK/Creator be voided as well?
Well, apparently only the first map had weird lines.
On April 15 2015 23:01 Ej_ wrote: I'm very upset with what happened today, but I still have a very important question: Will the liquibet on SK/Creator be voided as well?
Since the games turned out to be normal I would say this was a false alarm
On April 15 2015 23:01 Ej_ wrote: I'm very upset with what happened today, but I still have a very important question: Will the liquibet on SK/Creator be voided as well?
Well, apparently only the first map had weird lines.
On April 15 2015 23:01 Ej_ wrote: I'm very upset with what happened today, but I still have a very important question: Will the liquibet on SK/Creator be voided as well?
Well, apparently only the first map had weird lines.
that affects entire bo5 though
That's true. But the way Soulkey played in the rest of the games, I don't think it would've been different, even if the first map was "matchfixed"
Seeing as how I've never had this icon before in my life, I think I'm going to leave liquibets alone and enjoy this as much as possible since I voted for Terminator instead of HerO.
On April 16 2015 01:36 Seeker wrote: Seeing as how I've never had this icon before in my life, I think I'm going to leave liquibets alone and enjoy this as much as possible since I voted for Terminator instead of HerO.
On April 16 2015 01:36 Seeker wrote: Seeing as how I've never had this icon before in my life, I think I'm going to leave liquibets alone and enjoy this as much as possible since I voted for Terminator instead of HerO.
I hated having it.
tbf, it is a lot more fitting behind a Golden Snitch than it is behind a pen
On April 16 2015 01:36 Seeker wrote: Seeing as how I've never had this icon before in my life, I think I'm going to leave liquibets alone and enjoy this as much as possible since I voted for Terminator instead of HerO.
I hated having it.
tbf, it is a lot more fitting behind a Golden Snitch than it is behind a pen
Yeah, and if I ever get a custom icon the trophy will still look weird next to it.
Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
Every now and then creator remembers he's supposed to be the protosd equivalent of life and Maru and then he remembers he's still on prime
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
Every now and then creator remembers he's supposed to be the protosd equivalent of life and Maru and then he remembers he's still on prime
Yeah. I think it'd be great if SKT picked up Creator. He can replace Parting as the Protoss hero of that team since Parting got kicked out for not being good enough.
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
Every now and then creator remembers he's supposed to be the protosd equivalent of life and Maru and then he remembers he's still on prime
Yeah. I think it'd be great if SKT picked up Creator. He can replace Parting as the Protoss hero of that team since Parting got kicked out for not being good enough.
I can't imagine Prime without Creator or Creator without Prime.
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
Every now and then creator remembers he's supposed to be the protosd equivalent of life and Maru and then he remembers he's still on prime
Yeah. I think it'd be great if SKT picked up Creator. He can replace Parting as the Protoss hero of that team since Parting got kicked out for not being good enough.
I can't imagine Prime without Creator or Creator without Prime.
pls
It happened to MC with SK and oGs, MarineKing with Prime and DRG with MVP and much much more players like Life and Fantasy. It can happen to anyone and I wish it will happen. Creator can do soooooo much better than Prime. He's probably losing because of suboptimal practice partners
On April 16 2015 02:19 swag_bro wrote: Woah woah woah.... Is Creator starting to make a comeback as the best Protoss in the world again? He beat a GSL champion for Flash sake. A GSL champion who defeated THE Innovation when he was unstoppable. The consistent Code S Soulkey. Creator beat him. Man, this is bringing me back to the days when Creator won TSL. He beat Life. He BEAT LIFE! That was some unbelievable play by Creator back in the day. I think he is slowly, but surely, coming back to form...Creator will definitely be the best Protoss, maybe the best player, in the world again.
Every now and then creator remembers he's supposed to be the protosd equivalent of life and Maru and then he remembers he's still on prime
Yeah. I think it'd be great if SKT picked up Creator. He can replace Parting as the Protoss hero of that team since Parting got kicked out for not being good enough.
I can't imagine Prime without Creator or Creator without Prime.
pls
It happened to MC with SK and oGs, MarineKing with Prime and DRG with MVP and much much more players like Life and Fantasy. It can happen to anyone and I wish it will happen. Creator can do soooooo much better than Prime. He's probably losing because of suboptimal practice partners
EPT
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Twitch | 
Wizard Stream ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png)
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FanTaSy vs 
Pigbaby![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2038.jpg)
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Soulkey vs ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png)
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On the other hand, Life is not playing, yet 
