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Pinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets

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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 13:09:42
April 15 2015 12:50 GMT
#1


Link to the old threads:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/476033-pinnacle-voids-dark-vs-san-bets-due-to-match-manipulation-concerns
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/481281-pinnacle-voids-byul-vs-marineking-match

Before closing the betting lines, Soulkey was a 2 to 1 favourite to win the series but Creator was a 3 to 1 favourite to win the first map. This means someone bet a lot of money on Soulkey losing game 1.



Like the previous cases where this has happened it proved to be true, as Soulkey failed to defend Creator's attack in game 1.

Huk talking about matchfixing in Korea on Remax: http://www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting/v/4031346?t=2h36m49s

Still nothing being said from either tournament organizers (Kespa/GomEXP), the players teams or Blizzard.

I obviously hope nothing of this is true, but the evidence is quite convincing.

If you don't understand how betting lines works and why this is considered evidence, it has been explained a lot of times in the old threads.

Please try to keep the discussion civil.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:51:21
April 15 2015 12:50 GMT
#2
May the shitstorm begin
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 15 2015 12:51 GMT
#3
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28499 Posts
April 15 2015 12:51 GMT
#4
Here we go again. Hai Otherworld
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28499 Posts
April 15 2015 12:53 GMT
#5
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote:
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?

Only if Swoopae observes the lines
I Protoss winner, could it be?
maGicc
Profile Joined March 2015
Finland134 Posts
April 15 2015 12:54 GMT
#6
http://www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting/v/4031346?t=2h36m49s

Huk talking about matchfixing in korea, recent.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 15 2015 12:54 GMT
#7
Can someone name this "[General] Pinnacle voids sc2 bets" where the op can collect and update all the information we have anytime something happens?
It just is ridiculous to close these threads all the time, even if the discussion on the last page is questionable, the information in the op is relevant for people to see so we can get the information about possible matchfixing in korea out there!
Otherwise nothing will change
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 15 2015 12:55 GMT
#8
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote:
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?

10 pages
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
April 15 2015 12:56 GMT
#9
Is there delay in the broadcast or something?
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:57 GMT
#10
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote:
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?


It'll be better if you contact Kespa, MVP, Soulkey's team, Blizzard and Pinnacle to comment.

Does everyone want my rundown on what dynamic betting means, why it's impossible for Soulkey to be a big favourite for the series but a big underdog in map 1 and what it all means etc?
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
April 15 2015 12:57 GMT
#11
I want to get my shit in this storm!
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Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
April 15 2015 12:57 GMT
#12
On April 15 2015 21:55 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote:
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?

10 pages

Can we make a thread when this thread suspiciously closes in under 3 pages?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 15 2015 12:57 GMT
#13
Holy balls, well atleast that is a happy medium? At least someone isnt throwing the whole game just a map so we can see who wins the rest of it. Unless someone bets Soulkey to win 3-1 or to win and concede 1 map.

Interesting XD
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Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:57 GMT
#14
On April 15 2015 21:53 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote:
can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live?

Only if Swoopae observes the lines


One of the other posters in the last thread said Soulkey became an 8-1 underdog in Map 1 but thats unconfirmed

Pinnacle confirmed the closing lines in the tweet in OP
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9030 Posts
April 15 2015 12:58 GMT
#15
What happened in that game?
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:59 GMT
#16
Worth noting MVP promised a statement last week, yesterday and then again today on the Marineking situation if someone wants to add those tweets to OP
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:59:59
April 15 2015 12:59 GMT
#17
On April 15 2015 21:51 Penev wrote:
Here we go again. Hai Otherworld

I won't participate in this one, since there's nothing more to be said compared to previous threads.
There is more than enough to suspect the involved players.
There is not enough to outright condemn the involved players.
Therefore proper investigation should be made in order to confirm or deny the suspicions placed upon the players.
That said investigation will or will not be conducted is out of our control, sadly.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:59 GMT
#18
On April 15 2015 21:59 Swoopae wrote:
Worth noting MVP promised a statement last week, yesterday and then again today on the Marineking situation if someone wants to add those tweets to OP


I'll update it when they give the statement.
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
April 15 2015 12:59 GMT
#19
On April 15 2015 21:58 Garnet wrote:
What happened in that game?

Creator tried to cannon SK's natural but it failed. Then Creator did a timing attack off of 3 base (9 gates) with 3 void rays and SK just suicided into it and lost
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 15 2015 12:59 GMT
#20
On April 15 2015 21:58 Garnet wrote:
What happened in that game?

In the game, Soulkey got cannon rushed but defended it, then died to +2 blink stalkers with sentries and voidrays. So nothing at MarineKing level.
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