EPTPinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 22
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Well i send a PM to chuddinater like 1hour ago so no. I just said that : "while no response from KeSPA (even if they are just investigating) i canceled my subscription to SPL". something like that. But i won't have a response i think because afaik chudinater is just a spokesman for events. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 20 2015 19:33 FFW_Rude wrote: PM Total Biscuit if you want to know. I can't guarranty he's going to be nice with you though  Well, last time an Axiom player threw a game on stream, TotalBiscuit promised he would do something about it because he was madder than any of the viewers. But the statement ended up being something like: "He's was just in *really* bad condition so quit a game he was winning and we'll try to work on his persistence." :eyeroll: So I can't assume there will be anything substantial since anything Soulkey might have done wasn't even under their watch. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On April 20 2015 20:34 Swoopae wrote: They said a statement was 'coming today' AFTER they fielded him in Proleague and it never came. I mean, if they want to say 'everything is fine there was no matchfixing we're going to keep fielding Marineking' then that's their right even if its a bit lol, but they should at least be held to making a statement. What would come from giving a statement? If MK is guilty of matchfixing, MVP most certainly were unaware of it and wouldn't have any evidence to implicate him. There's no reason for them to make a statement since there's no way for them to prove he's innocent or guilty; any statement would just give attention to an issue that could only cast doubt on one of their players without any benefits of doing so. | ||
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
On April 20 2015 22:34 coverpunch wrote: I miss the good old days of calling the sponsors. Not sure if you mean it sarcastic but I totally agree. Letting MKP play in Proleague again is a shame. Everyone knows he was bought and threw. His blind defenders are about as reasonable as creationists. Since Kespa seems to be doing nothing without pressure this seems like a good way to put pressure on them. | ||
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Starecat
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Mallidon
Scotland557 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:10 Gwavajuice wrote: Fact 1 : it's not someone who betted a lot of money, it's some people that betted some amount of money, said amount being enough to move the scales on game 1. Fact 2 : Pinacle runs a business and wants esport betting to become a good banch of activity. The last thing they want is a scandal. What they want is to tell their customer : 'it is safe, it is legit, we're protecting you' Fact 3 : there is no secret algorithm that automatically dectect a fraud in a betting line, at best an automated process spots wierd movements and in the end it's a human brain (the trader in chief -that Jonathan ‘DarKFoRcE’ Belke guy- I would suppose?) that decides if it's safe to keep the bet open or if it has to be voided. Fact 4 : Pinacle pre-emtively canceld all bets of Prime just because they though they are weak and poor and likely to fall into match fixing. Fact 5 : if Pinacle doesn't provide the list and amount of betters to KeSPA, GOM or korean authorities, nothing will happen, ever. The CS;GO scandal only was discovered when betters could be linked to the cheating team. Fact 6 : Creator fucking won the whole series In Pinacle's PR guy interview, the big line was 'the question is not 'is it possible?' but 'is it likely'' So my question is : how likely is it that Pinacle is just protecting their business by just voiding anything that is not usual, instead of taking any risk? If they ARE just 'protecting their business' then they are risking losing a lot of custom through it. I mean, how likely are you to bet via Pinnacle when they keep voiding bets on matches because the play looks terrible? I've never used them, and certainly wont now since I'd have no confidence in placing a bet. I'll stick to my UK based (not even sure where Pinnacle are based since before these drama's I'd never heard of them) betting sites and keep sending them tickets asking them to try and expand into eSports. Also fuck me, I lolled when they voided a San game. San is well known for being terrible on his off days and making bronze level mistakes, but then on his good days he could beat anyone. + Show Spoiler + Quick three cheers for San, I love him! I didn't even comment on the MKP one because he looked stressed as fuck, and while people could judge that is stress of throwing a match, he could just be stressed and that caused him to fuck up so much? It's a tricky judgement call imo. Edit - And if this is all just the old demons of olden days match fixing appearing again, then it is very sad. In my heart of hearts I just hope these games are being lost by people making genuine mistakes and Pinnacle being over eager to void, rather than being actual throws. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 21 2015 03:26 Wuster wrote: Well, last time an Axiom player threw a game on stream, TotalBiscuit promised he would do something about it because he was madder than any of the viewers. But the statement ended up being something like: "He's was just in *really* bad condition so quit a game he was winning and we'll try to work on his persistence." :eyeroll: So I can't assume there will be anything substantial since anything Soulkey might have done wasn't even under their watch. There won't be anything substantial because we don't waste time responding to insipid uninformed allegations which have their roots in the land that time forgot when NASL was still a thing. That and why the hell would we put out a statement about another teams player? | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
On April 21 2015 04:51 cheekymonkey wrote: Reading the inclination some people have in here to call sponsors and cancel subscriptions and whatnot, I am more and more leaning towards favoring Kespa's "don't talk" policy. Don't fuel the fire, hope that it dies out, because some people will just go haywire. It's probably the lesser of two evils by far. Blow this up and you got a whole new situation. On the contrary, I would be much more inclined to support Proleague if they acknowledged this issue and that they were trying to get to the bottom of it than if they just keep their head in the sand like they're doing now. I've paid for Proleague in the past but there's no way I'm spending money now to support WWEsports. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:14 TotalBiscuit wrote: There won't be anything substantial because we don't waste time responding to insipid uninformed allegations which have their roots in the land that time forgot when NASL was still a thing. That and why the hell would we put out a statement about another teams player? I actually agree with your second point, but was still bitter over the incident I'm talking about, which was much more recent than NASL and getting off-topic so I'll drop the subject. | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On April 21 2015 04:51 cheekymonkey wrote: Reading the inclination some people have in here to call sponsors and cancel subscriptions and whatnot, I am more and more leaning towards favoring Kespa's "don't talk" policy. Don't fuel the fire, hope that it dies out, because some people will just go haywire. It's probably the lesser of two evils by far. Blow this up and you got a whole new situation. When people act like ostriches, things usually get worse | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:33 Darthsanta13 wrote: On the contrary, I would be much more inclined to support Proleague if they acknowledged this issue and that they were trying to get to the bottom of it than if they just keep their head in the sand like they're doing now. I've paid for Proleague in the past but there's no way I'm spending money now to support WWEsports. Well, that's you, but what about the hundreds of people who are going to disagree with their statement or stance on the issue whatever it will be? | ||
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Jacenoob
299 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:38 cheekymonkey wrote: Well, that's you, but what about the hundreds of people who are going to disagree with their statement or stance on the issue whatever it will be? What? I think the opinion "bribery should be swept under the rug" is pretty exclusive among fans of any sport or esport. | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:38 cheekymonkey wrote: Well, that's you, but what about the hundreds of people who are going to disagree with their statement or stance on the issue whatever it will be? With an issue of this magnitude, not making a statement is a statement in its own right, though. I would maybe agree or be okay with not making a statement if this was an isolated incident, or a much smaller issue than it was, but it's naive to think that this will not continue to be an issue. The actions of people involved with these matches in the Korean scene indicate that they don't consider this to be an issue. Kespa keeping their head in the sand and hoping that this blows over is disrespectful to fans and viewers who expect Kespa to provide some level of confidence that the product they put out/watch over is legitimate. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On April 21 2015 05:37 Penev wrote: When people act like ostriches, things usually get worse I've read some internet "the more you know thing" which said that ostriches actually don't put their heads in sand. On a more serious note, the MVP statement just arrived. | ||
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cheekymonkey
France1387 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
TL; DR - We asked MKP, he denied it, we believe him. But because we thought fans would be unsatisfied with that, we asked him a few more times. I mean, could they at least explain how he missed the spine crawler? How he wasn't aware of that specific cheese? I know Flash fell for it afterwards and immediately said - I wish I'd watch proleague last week then I would have known it was coming. I mean, Wolf knew the cheese immediately when Byul sent his drone out what's MKP's excuse? Same as Flash's? Something else? We didn't get any answers at all, just the same denials and excuses about mental state and wanting to win... | ||
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