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MVP's Statement on MarineKing

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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
April 20 2015 22:11 GMT
#1
https://www.facebook.com/MVPSC2/posts/316612535129091

"Statement from our Team Manager JeeF:

"Hi everyone,

I’m quite sorry for this belated statement.

It is about 4 weeks ago since people assumed there was a matchfixing between ByuL and MarineKing. And directly after the game a part of the folk judged kinda fast and submitted that MarineKing did matchfixing. But it is not always the way as it looks like. Yet we took this allegedly incident very seriously since we have never ever accepted cheating and MarineKing is one of our players what makes the allegation not better in any way.

We have never stopped trusting Lee and we could not image that he had tried to cheat, that’s why we asked MKP firstly if all these allegations could be true - and he was clearly in making his position, so he emphasized that he didn't matchfixed. For us it was enough but in this case we felt that it could be insufficient, especially when you have to give an explanation to community.
We took charge of the game and tried to understand exactly the circumstance, not only by checking the replay again and again but also by having some serious talks. We also kinda grilled MarineKing several times, that's why he didn't play in Proleague for a while. But at the very end, all evidence gave us the same answer – Lee was not matchfixing.

Surely, it was a questionable game but was it matchfixing? Definitely not! Having a bad game or even a bad period of time is humanly. We won't suspend a player by an accusation, which was finally proved wrong, and destroy his career. And if we take a close view on MarineKing's match history, he hasn't won a few Proleague games recently, so it makes it even more unlikely that he did.

Anyway, to make you understand MKP a little bit better: Lee is/was pressuring hisself a lot, because he wants to win so badly and he puts a lot of efforts and emotion into the game. And it makes it not easier for him if people have a very high expectation, which he wants to answer. In addition as team captain you have to carry an extra burden. Probably that’s the main reason why he didn’t perform as good lately. It is not always easy to be professional which concerns not only eSports and sometimes you need a little bit time and an helping hand to get up again.

For the upcoming season we decided that MKP will exchange the role as team captain with YongHwa, so MarineKing can focus more on his own play again. We keep believing in MarineKing, so we hope that you have not given him up as well. And hopfully he will be back with full strength for the next Proleague round.”
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Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 22:15:31
April 20 2015 22:14 GMT
#2


Sounds to me that that game fixed.. Even if they say that he was 'defenitly not matchfixing'.
I'm really disappointed by mkp
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 20 2015 22:14 GMT
#3
I have no idea what kind of “magic” people were expecting about that statement, but clearly they won't get it.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 22:16:35
April 20 2015 22:15 GMT
#4
Nerves, no fixing. I though do feel like the status quo remains. Anyways, thanks for that statement to MVP. At least one organization seems to feel the need of saying something.

On April 21 2015 07:14 TheDwf wrote:
I have no idea what kind of “magic” people were expecting about that statement, but clearly they won't get it.

"Yes he fixed" would've confirmed something, "He didn't fix" doesn't confirm anything sadly. As I said already in the original thread, the damage is done.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
April 20 2015 22:18 GMT
#5
On April 21 2015 07:15 boxerfred wrote:
Nerves, no fixing. I though do feel like the status quo remains. Anyways, thanks for that statement to MVP. At least one organization seems to feel the need of saying something.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 07:14 TheDwf wrote:
I have no idea what kind of “magic” people were expecting about that statement, but clearly they won't get it.

"Yes he fixed" would've confirmed something, "He didn't fix" doesn't confirm anything sadly. As I said already in the original thread, the damage is done.


Why would MVP say their player fixed? Are you high lol
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 20 2015 22:19 GMT
#6
It's nice that we got a statement but frankly I'm not convinced.
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
April 20 2015 22:19 GMT
#7
Whether he was matchfixing or not, this feels like the best result that could've happened to the community.
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SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
April 20 2015 22:20 GMT
#8
Are we supposed to believe this?
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 20 2015 22:24 GMT
#9
In the end, it comes down to whether you believe that he did fix or not. No concrete evidence but the game can be viewed as suspicious.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1927 Posts
April 20 2015 22:24 GMT
#10
Expected as much from this. When you start with a preconceived notion that it is impossible for your player to cheat then you have already made a biased, unfaithful attempt to keep integrity at the forefront of your mission.

This whole block of text can litterally be tl;dr'd to:

MK would never cheat. We asked him if he cheated. He said no. We have the replay. I don't believe him to have cheated. Take our word.
-Yours truly
a responsible, airplane manager Jeef
(P.s. it only makes sense he didn't cheat. Haha! Got you there!)

Sorry, get an outside collaborator or this just looks like a joke, especially given how long it took to release and the 'content' it contains.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
April 20 2015 22:26 GMT
#11
TLDR: MarineKing says he didn't matchfix, so he definitely didn't matchfix.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 22:29:56
April 20 2015 22:27 GMT
#12
On April 21 2015 07:18 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 07:15 boxerfred wrote:
Nerves, no fixing. I though do feel like the status quo remains. Anyways, thanks for that statement to MVP. At least one organization seems to feel the need of saying something.

On April 21 2015 07:14 TheDwf wrote:
I have no idea what kind of “magic” people were expecting about that statement, but clearly they won't get it.

"Yes he fixed" would've confirmed something, "He didn't fix" doesn't confirm anything sadly. As I said already in the original thread, the damage is done.


Why would MVP say their player fixed? Are you high lol


If they found evidence of it then they would for the sake of their own reputation. Pretty standard release doesn't tell us much. We examined the game and grilled Marineking and didn't find anything and we're choosing to take our players word for it. I think if someone were to hire an outside investigation it would have to be kespa since I don't think any team would do it for themselves. good that they released it though
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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
April 20 2015 22:28 GMT
#13
I don't know what anyone was expecting here but this is very straightforward. MarineKing denies he match-fixed and his team treats him with the presumption of honesty, simply assuming that he is trustworthy. To their credit, they do say they went over the replay with him and it seems they asked him several times. But if he denies it three times like Peter denied Christ after the Last Supper, then they have to conclude he didn't do it. It seems crazy and dumb to assume MVP would remain skeptical and treat their own member like a cheater or ruin his mindset and career because "the community" doesn't believe him.
Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
April 20 2015 22:31 GMT
#14
At least there is a statement. It doesn't help at all to tell whether MK was matchfixing, but a response is better than total silence. I'm only afraid that it is the last time we see any official stance on that matter.
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TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France342 Posts
April 20 2015 22:31 GMT
#15
even team MVP calls MarineKing MKP lol :D
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
April 20 2015 22:32 GMT
#16
On April 21 2015 07:31 TwiggyWan wrote:
even team MVP calls MarineKing MKP lol :D


haha yeah, they only interesting thing in this statement :D
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
April 20 2015 22:34 GMT
#17
They should've released the replay.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 20 2015 22:34 GMT
#18
It's not innocent until proven guilty. It's not even guilty until proven innocent. It's guilty until forgotten about with you all. What kind of sick mentality is that? MVP wouldn't have kept him on if he was a liability to the team. You got your statement, it was clear and thorough, put the damned torches AWAY.
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 22:38:59
April 20 2015 22:36 GMT
#19
We took charge of the game and tried to understand exactly the circumstance, not only by checking the replay again and again but also by having some serious talks.

Ok.. so why don't you share those circumstances. The statement would be at least a bit more believable if it had answers to questions like "why did you not use the reapers" "why did you go 3cc against no natural" "why did you stare you CC that was building scvs for 5 minutes". I mean, give some explanations not just "he didn't do it".

edit: imo this "statement" is completely useless.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
April 20 2015 22:37 GMT
#20
cant ruin someone career if you are not 100% convinced, the bet line doesnt mean nothing to me.
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