MVP's Statement on MarineKing - Page 27

On April 23 2015 18:45 DJHelium wrote:


How did I get responsible for this? :D

But actually I could do that, or at least update this op. A bit busy this week but next week should be fine. If anyone else wants to do it feel free.

On April 23 2015 18:32 Hot_Ice wrote:

This.

On April 23 2015 21:35 pure.Wasted wrote:
There's one very simple fact that MKP's valiant defenders don't seem to grasp.

This isn't about MKP anymore.

For every one idiot who says that MKP should be impeached, disbarred from Congress, thrown in prison and waterboarded, I see a hundred other posters saying simply that KOREAN SC2 IS IN A VERY BAD PLACE. That's what matters. Take a minute away from worrying about what our pitchforks are doing to MKP's career, and consider that when Korean SC2 goes belly-up, because, when match-fixing is finally exposed, it's so huge that it drags EVERYBODY down... MKP's career will end, too. And so will everyone else's. Those are the stakes we're dealing with right now.

I couldn't possibly care less about what happens to MKP right now. If he's innocent, fantastic. If he's guilty, he's just one symptom of a festering infection that is much bigger than him. I personally wouldn't glean much satisfaction from seeing him thrown behind bars or fined $100,000 or otherwise turned into a scapegoat.

For the truth to come to light, KeSPA needs to be pressured into a public investigation. They need to know that the sort of 'compelling evidence' that MVP presented in their defense of MKP will not cut it.

With no ill will to MKP, MVP throwing him under the bus would have been the best possible outcome for the scene, because it would have forced KeSPA's hand.

What we got -- a biased endorsement of MKP that may or may not be meaningless -- not only doesn't help him in the eyes of skeptics, but it means that regardless of his guilt or innocence, match fixing will go on undeterred for the foreseeable future. That's the bigger issue.

If you don't see that -- if you're still preoccupied with making sure that no one is saying that we have "conclusive 100% proof" that MKP is guilty, which we obviously don't -- then you're not seeing the forest for the trees, you're missing the real conversation, and you're completely missing the gravity of the situation in Korea.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything that's in our power to do other than continue to be annoying about this and not let it get brushed aside.

On April 23 2015 22:05 Penev wrote:

Good post. I wouldn't be surprised btw if MVP's decision to defend MK was done in consultation with KeSPA..

On April 23 2015 22:22 Samx wrote:
Is there anything that us as a community can do to pressure the organizations involved that this is unacceptable? I don't think talking about it here have much effect.
Kespa don't seem to care. How about blizzard? Will they take a more serious view on this and pressure Kespa?

On April 23 2015 22:39 showstealer1829 wrote:


Implying of course that a famous BW player returning after his military service is ANY indication of the scene as a whole

On April 23 2015 22:45 fruity. wrote:


You're missing the point that broodwar had a bigger scandal over match fixing, and is still going strong. Go look up hwasin.

On April 23 2015 22:51 Penev wrote:
Broodwar was also A LOT bigger than SC2. But I don't really get your original post tbh, unless you mean that KeSPA is the "implier". I think most people here want an investigation asap to PREVENT SC2 going down

On April 23 2015 22:58 fruity. wrote:


My point is, that even if a thorough investigation was done (which for all we know could be happening, though I frankly doubt this) It's not going to kill Starcraft.

It's not good for the scene, of course no one will say otherwise, but at least in my eyes to say match fixing will kill starcraft - it's a grossly negative view.

On April 23 2015 22:58 fruity. wrote:


My point is, that even if a thorough investigation was done (which for all we know could be happening, though I frankly doubt this) It's not going to kill Starcraft.

It's not good for the scene, of course no one will say otherwise, but at least in my eyes to say match fixing will kill starcraft - it's a grossly negative view.

On April 23 2015 23:42 Garsecg wrote:

It's a grossly puerile view to pretend that the death of starcraft 2 isn't a possibility.

It isn't assumed that Starcraft 2 will die from this matchfixing scandal, but it is assumed that match fixing will harm Starcraft 2. If you don't believe that last point, I would love to hear why.

On April 23 2015 23:37 Penev wrote:
But not many people are really saying that (besides maybe KeSPA one could speculate). The posts, at least on this page, are all saying "pls KeSPA, start the investigation asap, otherwise the possible damage done will only get bigger. You shouldn't underestimate this damage btw; BW shrunk significantly when the bomb hit.