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Pinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 2
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19137 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9008 Posts
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:58 Garnet wrote: What happened in that game? Soulkey got cannon rushed, lost some drones but held, it went to 3 base vs 3 and then Creator hit a timing as Soulkey tried to take a 4th, and won the fight. Soulkey didn't make any one huge error, but obviously the betting lines are pretty damning and then Soulkey lost map 1 as the betting lines would suggest if the match was indeed fixed. For what it's worth Creator was closer to +200 when the money started coming in on him for map 1 and he closed at -290 for map 1, but Soulkey only went from -300 to -219 for the series as a whole. | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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Penev
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On April 15 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote: I won't participate in this one, since there's nothing more to be said compared to previous threads. There is more than enough to suspect the involved players. There is not enough to outright condemn the involved players. Therefore proper investigation should be made in order to confirm or deny the suspicions placed upon the players. That said investigation will or will not be conducted is out of our control, sadly. Idd. This is probably my last post in this thread too. But curious about the MVP statement of course (well, a little). | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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iptttt
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote: can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live? Within 10 Pages: 1.20 10-20: 2.85 20-50: 5.00 50-99: 10.00 100+: 51.00  | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:01 c0ldfusion wrote: Is it possible that there is a broadcast delay and the bets are being place by people at the venue live? No, these tournaments are broadcast live to my knowledge, or at least they were when I attended them Also the line was taken down and bets refunded close to a full hour before the matches (it was before HerO vs Terminator started even) | ||
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:00 Garnet wrote: and how do we know this isn't just Pinnacle being bullshit? did they show any proof? at least show an image of the betting lines. Lets not go full denial here pls. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:00 Garnet wrote: and how do we know this isn't just Pinnacle being bullshit? did they show any proof? at least show an image of the betting lines. They did, it's in the OP and one of the users in the live thread said he was watching it live and it got even higher Pinnacle is a 100% reputable billion dollar company. The amount of money involved is peanuts to them and they would never falsify any data their reputation is too important. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
Are some of the bets suspicious? Yeah, of course, that's why they get pulled. Should there be an investigation into this? Absolutely. But I have yet to see one shred of definitive evidence that a player was willingly involved in this sort of thing other than stuff like "he played a little weird, guys..." I'm also still holding my breath on that article that's supposed to come out and expose the rampant match-fixing scene in Korean Starcraft. You know, the one that TOTALLY has all the iron clad evidence, you just have to wait and see. =/ At this point, if you feel you have legitimate evidence that there is evidence, you need to come forward with it, and force organizations into taking action. If it's truly there, it's time to stop sitting on it. I'm just really not a fan of condemning a player based on betting lines. It's definitely an indicator that things should be looked into more closely, but seriously stop the witch hunting/trying to ruin players reputations. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:02 iptttt wrote: egamingbets.com cancelled bets on this match too Any way we can get a statement here? Think it's the first time a non Pinnacle book has done this (possibly because Pinnacle cancelled the bets so early other books had time to react) | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
Any particular match related to match fix? | ||
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mortales
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:54 maGicc wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting/v/4031346?t=2h36m49s Huk talking about matchfixing in korea, recent. No sound ? :/ | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:59 BisuDagger wrote: You're on! 36 pages. + Show Spoiler + I'll throw my bet and wreck this thread if you split half your eSports Dollars with me. [spoiler]P.S.. Keep this between us.[/spoiler] Deal but we need codenames. I will be NeoSavior and you can be Matchfixkingprime. No one will suspect a thing. Time to go bend those lines to my will. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Fact 2 : Pinacle runs a business and wants esport betting to become a good banch of activity. The last thing they want is a scandal. What they want is to tell their customer : 'it is safe, it is legit, we're protecting you' Fact 3 : there is no secret algorithm that automatically dectect a fraud in a betting line, at best an automated process spots wierd movements and in the end it's a human brain (the trader in chief -that Jonathan ‘DarKFoRcE’ Belke guy- I would suppose?) that decides if it's safe to keep the bet open or if it has to be voided. Fact 4 : Pinacle pre-emtively canceld all bets of Prime just because they though they are weak and poor and likely to fall into match fixing. Fact 5 : if Pinacle doesn't provide the list and amount of betters to KeSPA, GOM or korean authorities, nothing will happen, ever. The CS;GO scandal only was discovered when betters could be linked to the cheating team. Fact 6 : Creator fucking won the whole series In Pinacle's PR guy interview, the big line was 'the question is not 'is it possible?' but 'is it likely'' So my question is : how likely is it that Pinacle is just protecting their business by just voiding anything that is not usual, instead of taking any risk? | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
Youtube vods are usually up a day or two after. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Former esf-Teams do not pay players (or not enough to make a living). Matchfixers secure income of not succesfull pros. Playing Proleague doesnt bring you any money, if you are in a team wihich does not pay you (enough). When this gets public, after so many games have been fixed (we only know the failed fix attempts, where betting lines became too suspicious), this would kill the scene, if it becomes public.Broodwar was a large, succesfull game and the scandal still did so much damage, SC II is not a large succesfull game, a damage like brood war took, will just destroy it. Finally I dont know if there will be another Pro League next year. As I know, esf-Teams wount be part of it and can you think about a 6 Team SPL? I mean, the big companys of Blizzard, CJ, Samsung and Co. must know about the fixing, everybody in KESPA headquarters will know it. Wount they just leave the scene instead of getting dragged into illegal stuff by players of an not succesfull game? | ||
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