EPTPinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 4
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digmouse
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Swoopae
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On April 15 2015 22:15 Wolf wrote: Going to have to void these, some suspicious betting lines. Sorry. First off, big fan, keep up the good work casting. That said You said during the Marineking vs Zest match that you saw 'no evidence' and 'everyone should forget about this'. Do you stand by those statements? I'm really disappointed you made them, match fixing is rampant right now in Korea and will destroy the scene if Kespa don't get their house in order and start kicking match fixers out of proleague/gsl/starleague and it will kill the game we all love. Did you read the full Marineking/Byul thread and if so, you really see no evidence whatsoever that the match was fixed? It's not a one off thing, this is happening almost on a weekly basis now. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On April 15 2015 22:34 digmouse wrote: Oh god please no more. Of course more, the first cases all got ignored. Why shouldn't there be more if no one acts? | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:15 TheDwf wrote: Why do they carry on if their scheming is unmasked? Not every fixed match will have bets cancelled. I'm sure there have been some fixed matches that we haven't uncovered and even for the matches we have uncovered, nobody has been punished and the bets were just cancelled so everyone gets their money back - the match fixers make new accounts and try again (and Pinnacle is only one of many sportsbooks) | ||
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Musicus
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Swoopae
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On April 15 2015 22:37 HolydaKing wrote: Of course more, the first cases all got ignored. Why shouldn't there be more if no one acts? Exactly. This thread will be made every few weeks until the problem is dealt with every time a match is thrown. More and more of our favourite players will be tempted to throw matches if they see no punishment is given out for match fixing. Kespa need to set an example and actually investigate and punish the parties guilty of match fixing. It's ruining the game. On April 15 2015 22:38 Musicus wrote: So sad, why must this happen to our game .Because it gets swept under the rug every time it happens and nobody is punished, and a substantial portion of the community would rather pretend that the problem doesn't exist than to take the short term pain, investigate it, ban some players who were caught match fixing and deal with it. People won't match fix anywhere near as frequently if the threat of having their career taken away from them if caught is there. | ||
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TBO
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Actually it does make a lot of sense thinking about it, getting a player to lose 1 map of a best of five is probably cheaper and easier than to get him to lose the series especially if there is so much money at the line to win in Code S. This time however the betting lines are not completely silly, so rather than Soulkey being involved it imo is possible that someone knew what both Soulkey and Creator were going to do in the first map, which could give enough confidence to bet with such quotes. That could be either leaked insider information as well as trojans on their PCs or something similar. | ||
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LongShot27
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Deathstar
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Swoopae
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In the Marineking and San cases the match was a bo1 so losing one map meant losing the series | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:41 LongShot27 wrote: I just don't care anymore This is why match fixing will continue. If we don't care, the game is dead. If we do care, we can apply pressure on Kespa to investigate. A few articles, a few tweets, it doesn't take much effort to actually do something about it. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:42 Swoopae wrote: Actually, in both Super vs Dream Map 1 and Innovation vs Super map 1, the player was only supposed to lose map 1 both times, and did so (in one case winning the series in one case losing the series) In the Marineking and San cases the match was a bo1 so losing one map meant losing the series ah okay my bad then, but as I wrote it actually makes sense to only manipulate single matches of a series. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Starcraft 2 isn't dead, people still like the game and play it, but its competitive scene isn't looking too healthy. Well, we'll do better next time, with Warcraft 4? :D | ||
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Swoopae
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LongShot27
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On April 15 2015 22:43 Swoopae wrote: This is why match fixing will continue. If we don't care, the game is dead. If we do care, we can apply pressure on Kespa to investigate. A few articles, a few tweets, it doesn't take much effort to actually do something about it. No I don't care because this wasn't match fixing, nothing in this match was suspect whatsoever but this godforsaken excuse for a community is believing a bunch of gamblers over their common sense. | ||
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AxiomBlurr
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On April 15 2015 22:40 TBO wrote: What I don't understand in this case - unlike as in the other supposedly manipulated matches - that allegedly Soulkey was only supposed to lose the first map and then was free to win unlike the other matches where it was always a bo1 or the whole match was fixed. Actually it does make a lot of sense thinking about it, getting a player to lose 1 map of a best of five is probably cheaper and easier than to get him to lose the series especially if there is so much money at the line to win in Code S. This time however the betting lines are not completely silly, so rather than Soulkey being involved it imo is possible that someone knew what both Soulkey and Creator were going to do in the first map, which could give enough confidence to bet with such quotes. That could be either leaked insider information as well as trojans on their PCs or something similar. This... | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:46 Swoopae wrote: Of course, it allows the player throwing one map a chance to advance, which in turn would make it cheaper for the match fixers to pay the player as he isn't sacrificing as much, and the bettors can just bet on Map 1 instead of the whole series (which is what happened today in Soulkey vs Creator Map 1 - Soulkey was still a favourite to win the series, but Creator was bet in from being a big underdog to being a big favourite in Map 1 specifically) disadvantage for them should be that the volume bet on single maps probably is quite a bit lower than volume bet on matches so manipulation is more easily detectable? Or am I wrong to assume that more people bet on whole series than single maps? | ||
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Salteador Neo
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Ragnarork
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When I think about what happened before, and especially how harsh and unforgiving Kespa can be, this looks weird. | ||
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