EPTPinnacle voids Soulkey vs Creator bets - Page 3
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:13 Clonester wrote: Kespa doesnt care. Former esf-Teams do not pay players (or not enough to make a living). Matchfixers secure income of not succesfull pros. Playing Proleague doesnt bring you any money, if you are in a team wihich does not pay you (enough). When this gets public, after so many games have been fixed (we only know the failed fix attempts, where betting lines became too suspicious), this would kill the scene, if it becomes public.Broodwar was a large, succesfull game and the scandal still did so much damage, SC II is not a large succesfull game, a damage like brood war took, will just destroy it. Finally I dont know if there will be another Pro League next year. As I know, esf-Teams wount be part of it and can you think about a 6 Team SPL? I mean, the big companys of Blizzard, CJ, Samsung and Co. must know about the fixing, everybody in KESPA headquarters will know it. Wount they just leave the scene instead of getting dragged into illegal stuff by players of an not succesfull game? Well said. That's 100% my opinion. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:10 DJHelium wrote: Youtube vods are usually up a day or two after. There is sound. It's just a Twitch glitch when you click a hyperlink with a timestamp. Just refresh the page and its fine. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:51 lichter wrote: can we take bets on how long it takes for this thread to become too terrible to live? Going to have to void these, some suspicious betting lines. Sorry. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:15 TheDwf wrote: Why do they carry on if their scheming is unmasked? Most likely because they're confident enough that nothing will happen to them? | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:15 TheDwf wrote: Why do they carry on if their scheming is unmasked? I asked before and apparently its because the real betting is on Korean sites and the Pinnacle stuff is just some noobs copying the bets on Pinnacle that they see on the illegal Korean sites. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:09 mortales wrote: I don't see how it could be matchfixed, the game looked completely normal. Not hard to make small minor micro/macro errors to lose a match. It's what a competently fixed match should look like, the Marineking match people said were suspicious 'because it was too obviously', which in that case was because MK scouted the cheese accidentally then had to pretend he didn't see it which made the match ridiculous. This was certainly the most 'normal' of the cancelled bet matches, but the betting action alone makes me 99% sure the first map was fixed. It's pretty much statistically impossible for it not to have been if you understand betting algorithms and how the market behaves. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 15 2015 21:54 The_Red_Viper wrote: Can someone name this "[General] Pinnacle voids sc2 bets" where the op can collect and update all the information we have anytime something happens? It just is ridiculous to close these threads all the time, even if the discussion on the last page is questionable, the information in the op is relevant for people to see so we can get the information about possible matchfixing in korea out there! Otherwise nothing will change Yes, no? I think it is important that people can see this as long as possible. I don't want witchhunts, i want pressure for Kespa/Blizzard/korean sc2 to react | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:19 ZAiNs wrote: I asked before and apparently its because the real betting is on Korean sites and the Pinnacle stuff is just some noobs copying the bets on Pinnacle that they see on the illegal Korean sites. Yeah, but surely the judicial system will catch up with them sooner or later? This seems common knowledge, so I assume massive corruption is involved? | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:10 Gwavajuice wrote: Fact 1 : it's not someone who betted a lot of money, it's some people that betted some amount of money, said amount being enough to move the scales on game 1. Fact 2 : Pinacle runs a business and wants esport betting to become a good banch of activity. The last thing they want is a scandal. What they want is to tell their customer : 'it is safe, it is legit, we're protecting you' Fact 3 : there is no secret algorithm that automatically dectect a fraud in a betting line, at best an automated process spots wierd movements and in the end it's a human brain (the trader in chief -that Jonathan ‘DarKFoRcE’ Belke guy- I would suppose?) that decides if it's safe to keep the bet open or if it has to be voided. Fact 4 : Pinacle pre-emtively canceld all bets of Prime just because they though they are weak and poor and likely to fall into match fixing. Fact 5 : if Pinacle doesn't provide the list and amount of betters to KeSPA, GOM or korean authorities, nothing will happen, ever. The CS;GO scandal only was discovered when betters could be linked to the cheating team. Fact 6 : Creator fucking won the whole series In Pinacle's PR guy interview, the big line was 'the question is not 'is it possible?' but 'is it likely'' So my question is : how likely is it that Pinacle is just protecting their business by just voiding anything that is not usual, instead of taking any risk? Pinnacle have offered to share their information with Kespa multiple times. The map in question for fixing was Map 1, what happens in maps 2-5 is irrelevant for the purposes of this thread. The Esports market forms a semi negligible portion of Pinnacle's overall marketshare. I'm confident it's less than 1% and doesn't affect their bottom line at all Match fixing resulting in bets being cancelled will scare more players away from Esports betting. Pinnacle isn't doing this for their bottom line at all, they're doing it to protect their customers from fraud. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I hope we'll see MVP's statement, one day :D | ||
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Hider
Denmark9396 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yes, no? I think it is important that people can see this as long as possible. I don't want witchhunts, i want pressure for Kespa/Blizzard/korean sc2 to react The discussion turns out to be really really bad though. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:15 Wolf wrote: Going to have to void these, some suspicious betting lines. Sorry. So i guess you are saying you know of nothing? Cmon wolf i don't believe that one second | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:22 TheDwf wrote: Yeah, but surely the judicial system will catch up with them sooner or later? This seems common knowledge, so I assume massive corruption is involved? Underground Betting in Korea is hugh (all betting there is undergroundbetting). Judicial System closes one betting ring there, 3 new start to exist. Its not about massive corruption, it is about fighting a hydra where each cut of head is followed by several new ones. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
 I like the pro games, seeing the very best sc2 players battle... On April 15 2015 22:13 Clonester wrote: Kespa doesnt care. Former esf-Teams do not pay players (or not enough to make a living). Matchfixers secure income of not succesfull pros. Playing Proleague doesnt bring you any money, if you are in a team wihich does not pay you (enough). When this gets public, after so many games have been fixed (we only know the failed fix attempts, where betting lines became too suspicious), this would kill the scene, if it becomes public.Broodwar was a large, succesfull game and the scandal still did so much damage, SC II is not a large succesfull game, a damage like brood war took, will just destroy it. Finally I dont know if there will be another Pro League next year. As I know, esf-Teams wount be part of it and can you think about a 6 Team SPL? I mean, the big companys of Blizzard, CJ, Samsung and Co. must know about the fixing, everybody in KESPA headquarters will know it. Wount they just leave the scene instead of getting dragged into illegal stuff by players of an not succesfull game? This seems pretty plausible to me. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:23 Hider wrote: The discussion turns out to be really really bad though. I don't even care about the "discussion", there really isn't much to discuss anyway. What's important is that there is an op which has all the important information, objectively collected. A stickied thread without comment function would do the trick (which gets updated anytime a bet is voided) | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
There isn't too much to discuss besides that. | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On April 15 2015 22:23 The_Red_Viper wrote: So i guess you are saying you know of nothing? Cmon wolf i don't believe that one second Even if he does, I guess it's hard for Wolf to say anything about it. Really need the organizations to speak up. | ||
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