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As of page 39, matchfixing discussion is banned from this thread. Please keep that discussion in the relevant thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/483048-pinnacle-voids-soulkey-vs-creator-bets
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28534 Posts
April 15 2015 12:19 GMT
#581
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The rediculous line movements in the betting
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
April 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#582
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool

I'd lol too but it's pretty sad for me, I was just relived about Creator.
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#583
On April 15 2015 21:15 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote:
Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?

Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?


Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series

So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#584
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool


KOVU was "an idiot with explaining odds". It was Soulkey that was supposed to lose all along
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#585
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 15 2015 12:20 GMT
#586
That Guardian shield TT
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#587
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 2?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
25%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
75%

★★★- Good game (0)
 
0%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Creator Game 2?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#588
No blink for you today!
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#589
On April 15 2015 21:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:08 GumBa wrote:
If creator wins what does it all mean?

either matchfixing wasn't a reality for this game (ie matchfixers trying to throw Pinnacle off their guard), or Creator somehow manages to win while wanting to lose I guess?

That's a very PRIME thing to do.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#590
On April 15 2015 21:18 GumBa wrote:
So we have insta switched to SK? looool


No, KOVU stated that Soulkey was a huge underdog in the first place but a bunch of people didn't understand what he meant because he didn't use normal betting terminology (hence me asking for clarification a bunch of times)
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#591
There will be tears.
don't wall off against random
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12758 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#592
omg damn it creator, damn itttttttt
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#593
sigh
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3767 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#594
HerO to Code S - first time since ages.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#595
On April 15 2015 21:20 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:15 Penev wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:13 Swoopae wrote:
Ok so creator wins, KOVU can you please clarify if Creator or Soulkey was the huge favourite in Map 1? Your wording made it unclear it looked to me like you meant that Soulkey was paying $8 to win but if it was the opposite can you clarify that please?

Hey Swoopea, did you send an email to Pinnacle for this one?


Not until after they cancelled the bets. I was only aware of it because I had a bet on the match through sheer chance. I didn't actually see the absurd line movement on Creator to win map 1 making soulkey an 8-1 underdog in map 1 but a favourite for the series

So sad that a GSL champion is a match fixer. A giant fuck you to Kespa for not doing anything to clean their house.

Wait so you can say SK is a 100% match fixer now >.<
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55585 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#596
On April 15 2015 21:20 GumBa wrote:
That Guardian shield TT

Probably epic misclick trying to hold position T_T
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#597
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.

People are quick on jumping onto this, but they aren't doing it because of how the game played out, but because the outcome confirmed the betting lines.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12131 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#598
On April 15 2015 21:20 GumBa wrote:
That Guardian shield TT

Just Protoss stuff
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#599
Buffer into gg. I guess Creator didn't hold the push then.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
sagi
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland346 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:24:34
April 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#600
On April 15 2015 21:13 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:13 DJHelium wrote:
Ok so was it Creator that was supposed to throw according to Pinnacle? If that's the case that game made me really happy!

Since the bets have been voided he decided to win instead. It's only logical.


Yup. I don't see why he wouldn't know the bets are off. Ofc he would then try his best.

Just speculating: if he head planned to throw by failing a cannon rush he might not have had any other builds prepared. Might as well do the throw build without the planned mistakes. I know it's not really any proof, but the fact that this game was cannon rush makes the yet again accusation of fixing a match more propable than a "normal" build would.

On side not fueling this fire with 0 official reactions keeps gnawing the respectability of the scene little by little. KeSPA / Blizzard really should do/say something as the issue doesn't seem to be fading away on it's own like they are hoping. I'd prefer anything over the silence at this point.

edit: apparently the lines were the other way around (for SK to throw)... the rest of what I wrote still stands.
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