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As of page 39, matchfixing discussion is banned from this thread. Please keep that discussion in the relevant thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/483048-pinnacle-voids-soulkey-vs-creator-bets
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:31 GMT
#641
On April 15 2015 21:31 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:30 fruity. wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:29 Heartland wrote:
Did I walk into another pinnacle bet void?


yes, game 1 sk / creator


Did something weird happen as well?


No, standard 3 base blink attack vs not enough defense.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:31 GMT
#642
On April 15 2015 21:27 fruity. wrote:
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On April 15 2015 21:24 KristofferAG wrote:
This tells me nothing.
I have never bet on anything ever.
Except liquibets.


I never got the whole betting thing either. It seems a pretty insidious drug to those who get addicted.




There are plenty of people who have gambling problems but there are also plenty of people, myself included, who can and do gamble responsibly. It's like alcohol or anything else you can use it responsibly, or not.

Match fixers aren't 'bettors' anyway they're people rigging a market. Think someone rigging the lottery, that's not gambling, it's criminal activity. Betting itself is fine if it's a level playing field. Match fixing is disgusting and against the law.
lamehater
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden100 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#643
That matchfixing occurs in Korea has been proved on multiple occassions. This is something that we know, it's not just guesswork. However, I think we need to calm down with the accusations some. We should be upset and demand some kind of official statement and investigation, but there's no point to damn a player without actual evidence.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#644
On April 15 2015 21:31 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:27 fruity. wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:24 KristofferAG wrote:
This tells me nothing.
I have never bet on anything ever.
Except liquibets.


I never got the whole betting thing either. It seems a pretty insidious drug to those who get addicted.




There are plenty of people who have gambling problems but there are also plenty of people, myself included, who can and do gamble responsibly. It's like alcohol or anything else you can use it responsibly, or not.

Match fixers aren't 'bettors' anyway they're people rigging a market. Think someone rigging the lottery, that's not gambling, it's criminal activity. Betting itself is fine if it's a level playing field. Match fixing is disgusting and against the law.


Or you know, playing computer games.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#645
On April 15 2015 21:31 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:30 fruity. wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:29 Heartland wrote:
Did I walk into another pinnacle bet void?


yes, game 1 sk / creator


Did something weird happen as well?

nope (I mean in the game at least
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#646
Big surprise that zerg switches to mutas. What the hell else is there nowadays?
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#647
On April 15 2015 21:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Huk said yesterday on remax that his korean sources confirmed that match fixing is going on in korea atm.
He also explained WHY (no money for proleague matches, almost like a show match for players, betting a huge market)
At this point i am totally convinced that there are regularly matches fixed, which sucks balls -.-

Is there a VOD? I'm really getting tired of this...
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#648
Lookin' goood
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12758 Posts
April 15 2015 12:32 GMT
#649
On April 15 2015 21:29 Swoopae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:24 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:23 DJHelium wrote:

This tells me nothing.

I have never bet on anything ever.

Except liquibets.


The odds suggest

If they played 100 bo5 series, Creator would win approx 31 series and Soulkey would win 69 series

If they played 100 bo1 maps, Creator would win 74 maps and Soulkey would win 26 maps

Does that make any sense that bettors would think that is logical?

How can you be a favourite to win the most series if you aren't a favourite to win the most maps?

Creator is a solid bo1 player, he is a great player at PL and a meh one outside that.
same for DRG pre-code S and his performance in GSTL
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
April 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#650
Thanks for the input people, let the LR burn
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#651
On April 15 2015 21:31 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:31 Heartland wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:30 fruity. wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:29 Heartland wrote:
Did I walk into another pinnacle bet void?


yes, game 1 sk / creator


Did something weird happen as well?


No, standard 3 base blink attack vs not enough defense.

Don't leave out the cannons.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#652
Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?

Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28532 Posts
April 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#653
Creator win this please
I Protoss winner, could it be?
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#654
On April 15 2015 21:31 Heartland wrote:

Did something weird happen as well?


As I understand it, sk was favored to win the series, but late betting put creator favoured for map1.

Gamblers , correct me if i'm wrong here please.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#655
On April 15 2015 21:30 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:28 Paljas wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:26 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:24 DBooN wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:23 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:22 Swoopae wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:20 KristofferAG wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:19 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:18 KristofferAG wrote:
What exactly about that match screams match fixing?

The beauty of match-fixing is that except when very nervous players are involved, it does NOT scream match-fixing. It's easy to lose by making small mistakes.

It just feels like people here are totally okay with just accepting that SK is matchfixing, and it's weird. Fair enough that subtle mistakes can lead to a loss without anyone being able to say it was intentional, but I don't get why he's instantly a matchfixer now.


If he was bet into being an 8-1 underdog in map 1 while being a 3-1 favourite in the bo5 series as a whole... does that set off any alarm bells?

Some, but not enough for me to instantly jump on a fucking hate train on SK's ass.

The likelyness of something like that happening by chance is probably less than 1%

So?

I'm not gonna damn anyone till there's an official statement following an investigation. It's not my place to decide whether or not the match really was fixed, and who were involved. It's shady as shit, sure, but what if SK wasn't involved?

the problem is that offical statements are not happening.
match fixing in korea is well known to insiders

To who? Give me sources, show me the proof.

Repeating stuff you heard on Twitter or saw in a thread somewhere is *NOT* proof.

to guys like rekrul or inuh
there is no 100% proof because investigations are not happening

Has there been actual, verifiable proof to implicate specific players in matchfixing? If so, why hasn't it been made public? Why keep sitting on it? If no one is investigating, post the proof publicly to force organizations to take action.

I just don't think it's right to up and accuse players of matchfixing when not one person has come forward and shown any actionable info.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18678 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#656
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote:
Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?

Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.


Has to be a millionaire at least
Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#657
On April 15 2015 21:27 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Stop throwing around accusations like "Soulkey is matchfixing!:" without actual fucking proof.

No, saying "But the betting patterns were TOTALLY suspicious!" is NOT sufficient proof to outright accuse a player of matchfixing.


We have proof. If you don't understand the proof, that's your problem.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 12:35:13
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#658
On April 15 2015 21:33 Big J wrote:
Someone with more knowledge about the betting system: Would it be possible for someone rich to just place so many bets to deliberately trigger the security-shutdown? Like, just for fun? Or because that person betted before and changed his mind and wants his bet voided?

Unlikely I guess, but it also sounds stupid to me that people would make the matchfixing so obvious that the betting sites can easily identify it and void everything.

It has been discussed before ; it was possible though not very likely for the first voided bet, but now with cases accumulating... That's just not a viable answer anymore.
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#659
On April 15 2015 21:33 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2015 21:31 DJHelium wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:31 Heartland wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:30 fruity. wrote:
On April 15 2015 21:29 Heartland wrote:
Did I walk into another pinnacle bet void?


yes, game 1 sk / creator


Did something weird happen as well?


No, standard 3 base blink attack vs not enough defense.

Don't leave out the cannons.


Ah yeah, cannon rush vs drone pull defense. Lost some workers.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 15 2015 12:34 GMT
#660
This is turning into the pinnacle thread.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
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