EPT[OSL] RO16 Day 1 WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 84
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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govie
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 + Show Spoiler +   Bomber wins 2-1! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:04 Brian333 wrote: Kang-Ho +15 popularity. The e-sports reporters probably just realized he was actually Losira. That would explain it, lol | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:04 AgentW wrote: Really? I'll go 2-0 the other way. I think people grossly underestimate KangHo's abilities. He's found something that he hasn't had in a while, and has been almost as consistent as Symbol (probably the most grossly under appreciated player) has in the GSL as of late. I don't think you can be a less appreciated player then jjakji or sniper. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
Make it to another WCS season finals. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Faking Wintex aren't LR OPs supposed to be 100% no bias? ^^ | ||
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minhblizzard
Singapore425 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:05 Lorning wrote: "prepare your anus" On July 02 2013 21:05 Wintex wrote: awkward Two consecutive posts | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:04 bo1b wrote: People have been saying warp prism harass is fucking stupid since inception lol. Huge warpins are more of an investment--but still a ridiculous mechanic. (only if both vehicles get away obviously--I also think protosses are too eager to warp in from ALL of their gateways in base) | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:05 bo1b wrote: I don't think you can be a less appreciated player then jjakji or sniper. I mean people who are currently relevant. I know jjakji just requalified, but has Sniper even been trying? I haven't seen him in the brackets (albeit not looking very hard). Artosis picks SuperNova! Yes! | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:02 HolyArrow wrote: Even if it's the truth, it's obviously not very hard to do boatloads of damage with hellbat drops. You keep claiming TheDwf is speaking the truth and he very well may be, but simply being a high-level player doesn't make you immune to bias. Though TheDwf may be making valid points, he fails to mention tools that Terran has that are also quite difficult for Protoss to deal with, thus he's not making a balanced assessment of the matchup as a whole. What about how, despite First's immaculate defense in those games, Hellbat drops and speedivac harass are also things that are quite difficult for Protoss players to deal with? Or is First vs. Fantasy supposed to be the be-all-end-all of PvT balance, with the assumption that First and Fantasy were equal in skill and the reason the games looked that way was because of balance problems, not because First played better than Fantasy? If you admit that First played better than Fantasy then I don't see a problem with what we just saw. Maybe a better player could have made that harass work better. I liked those games because they showed two things that I've been constantly saying in TvP debates, i. e. 1) Protoss has efficient harassment possibilities (Prisms, Zealots raids, DTs, Phoenixes, Oracles), and 2) First defended Hellbat drops without any significant loss and was in a good position afterwards. So I'm happy to collect two new examples to argue against people who keep repeating that "Protoss can't harass" and that "Hellbat drops have no downsides even if they fail". That's all. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 02 2013 21:02 HolyArrow wrote: Even if it's the truth, it's obviously not very hard to do boatloads of damage with hellbat drops. You keep claiming TheDwf is speaking the truth and he very well may be, but simply being a high-level player doesn't make you immune to bias. Though TheDwf may be making valid points, he fails to mention tools that Terran has that are also quite difficult for Protoss to deal with, thus he's not making a balanced assessment of the matchup as a whole. What about how, despite First's immaculate defense in those games, Hellbat drops and speedivac harass are also things that are quite difficult for Protoss players to deal with? Or is First vs. Fantasy supposed to be the be-all-end-all of PvT balance, with the assumption that First and Fantasy were equal in skill and the reason the games looked that way was because of balance problems, not because First played better than Fantasy? I like how you make a missing statement of him out be a negative one about balance. He never said hellbat drops are no threat or completely easy to defend, he simply stated that runbys and such a style is very hard to face and I added, that Terran has no supply efficient base-defence besides that planetary that is not very effective vs those kind of runbys. You could leave a bunker in addition to that, but a Protoss of First calibre might also target your scvs so you have at least run away. Hellbat drops are not easy to defend, but Protoss can usually defend supply efficient and even multiple locations at once. I rarely see a 200/200 Protoss at the time they need to defend, so warpin usually is available as well as cannons and in early stages (i.e whirlwind and belshire as example of the maps used) photon overcharge isn't very far away. That makes the defence very supply-efficient if not completely irrelevant s upply wise. Terran cannot defend a good Protoss warpprism without supply. A turret won't stop it (at any location) so y ou need a viking or a mine in addition. Also as mentioned, the runbies can be stopped by units, a bunker, or being in position which you actually don't want to be. You dont want to be guarding your shit against Protoss, you want to be out on the map, pushing and being in his face all the time. I am not argueing to the point that both players are equal in skill (First vs FantaSy) as I think FantaSy played poorly and not to the style of his opponent. A few hellbats in his very marauder heavy composition would already helped a ton, I'm simply defending a statement of TheDwF that is attacked and labelled as whine, when its absolutely true. In no way I did comment on that game, as I personally thought First played excellent and superior and would have won even if he hadn't been able to do massive damage with runbys. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Bulgaria1542 Posts
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United Kingdom1123 Posts
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