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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 02 2013 12:12 GMT
#1701
Is he trying to force Losira into roach aggression after the hellbat drop, while having tanks to defend? Could SuperNova be such a genius ?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 02 2013 12:12 GMT
#1702
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals

Stuff like this makes me think people get nostalgic for anything.

I can't remember a code A final that wasn't terrible.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 12:12 GMT
#1703
On July 02 2013 21:12 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:11 minhblizzard wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:10 Dodgin wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:09 Tobblish wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals


Have a vague memory of them often being better than their Code S counterpart.


And then there was Curious vs Oz

Nothing will ever be worse then Inca vs Nestea.

How about Seed vs MC?

at least that final had more than 1 build

it had 2.


there were at least 4 different builds from seed ;o
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 12:14:32
July 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#1704
On July 02 2013 21:12 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals

Stuff like this makes me think people get nostalgic for anything.

I can't remember a code A final that wasn't terrible.

Bomber vs Mvp and the one with puzzle

On July 02 2013 21:12 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:12 Wintex wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:12 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:11 minhblizzard wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:10 Dodgin wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:09 Tobblish wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals


Have a vague memory of them often being better than their Code S counterpart.


And then there was Curious vs Oz

Nothing will ever be worse then Inca vs Nestea.

How about Seed vs MC?

at least that final had more than 1 build

it had 2.


there were at least 4 different builds from seed ;o

Yeah i was just joking, he had variations on the immortal drop etc.there was either 1 or 2 macro games and the rest was MC not scouting or doing a fast gate allin.
The Bomber boy
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#1705
On July 02 2013 21:12 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals

Stuff like this makes me think people get nostalgic for anything.

I can't remember a code A final that wasn't terrible.


mvp vs bomber was quite enjoyable for me
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
July 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#1706
On July 02 2013 21:12 Qwerty85 wrote:
Is he trying to force Losira into roach aggression after the hellbat drop, while having tanks to defend? Could SuperNova be such a genius ?

More like he wants to be safe against a possible Roach attack while executing his Hellbat drops.
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
July 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#1707
Awesome build by supernova.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#1708
On July 02 2013 21:13 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:12 Bagi wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals

Stuff like this makes me think people get nostalgic for anything.

I can't remember a code A final that wasn't terrible.

Bomber vs Mvp and the one with puzzle

Puzzle vs Tassadar? I dont even think I watched that one
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 02 2013 12:14 GMT
#1709
On July 02 2013 21:12 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:10 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:10 Dodgin wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:09 Tobblish wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals


Have a vague memory of them often being better than their Code S counterpart.


And then there was Curious vs Oz

Nothing will ever be worse then Inca vs Nestea.


So bad it was the most epic final ever!

Had about 30 minutes of play time + ads and shitty trash talk at the start.

anyone remember "Nestea is old enough, it's someone youngers turn now." (loosely translated from korean -> english -> memory -> english.)
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 02 2013 12:14 GMT
#1710
On July 02 2013 21:09 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
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On July 02 2013 20:52 Brian333 wrote:
Wait, can Hellbats get inside a bunker? If not, then why? They're a bio unit.

They aren't really a bio unit, just for healing purposes. They are robotic, and don't have the flexibility to get inside, aim out a small window etc.

They're probably bigger than the top floor of the bunker anyway.

The cinematic at the end of BW made it look like bunkers have multiple floors, the top being the one with the windows. Hellbats are, what, twice as tall as a marine?
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
July 02 2013 12:14 GMT
#1711
KangHo you have to make units other than Drones.
The curse is real
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 02 2013 12:14 GMT
#1712
On July 02 2013 21:08 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:02 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.


Even if it's the truth, it's obviously not very hard to do boatloads of damage with hellbat drops. You keep claiming TheDwf is speaking the truth and he very well may be, but simply being a high-level player doesn't make you immune to bias. Though TheDwf may be making valid points, he fails to mention tools that Terran has that are also quite difficult for Protoss to deal with, thus he's not making a balanced assessment of the matchup as a whole. What about how, despite First's immaculate defense in those games, Hellbat drops and speedivac harass are also things that are quite difficult for Protoss players to deal with? Or is First vs. Fantasy supposed to be the be-all-end-all of PvT balance, with the assumption that First and Fantasy were equal in skill and the reason the games looked that way was because of balance problems, not because First played better than Fantasy?


I like how you make a missing statement of him out be a negative one about balance. He never said hellbat drops are no threat or completely easy to defend, he simply stated that runbys and such a style is very hard to face and I added, that Terran has no supply efficient base-defence besides that planetary that is not very effective vs those kind of runbys. You could leave a bunker in addition to that, but a Protoss of First calibre might also target your scvs so you have at least run away.

Hellbat drops are not easy to defend, but Protoss can usually defend supply efficient and even multiple locations at once. I rarely see a 200/200 Protoss at the time they need to defend, so warpin usually is available as well as cannons and in early stages (i.e whirlwind and belshire as example of the maps used) photon overcharge isn't very far away. That makes the defence very supply-efficient if not completely irrelevant s upply wise. Terran cannot defend a good Protoss warpprism without supply. A turret won't stop it (at any location) so y ou need a viking or a mine in addition.

Also as mentioned, the runbies can be stopped by units, a bunker, or being in position which you actually don't want to be. You dont want to be guarding your shit against Protoss, you want to be out on the map, pushing and being in his face all the time. I am not argueing to the point that both players are equal in skill (First vs FantaSy) as I think FantaSy played poorly and not to the style of his opponent. A few hellbats in his very marauder heavy composition would already helped a ton, I'm simply defending a statement of TheDwF that is attacked and labelled as whine, when its absolutely true.

In no way I did comment on that game, as I personally thought First played excellent and superior and would have won even if he hadn't been able to do massive damage with runbys.


I guess some people feel that balance whine is implied if someone speaks truths that are convenient to his cause and fails to mention truths that aren't.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1713
Did Kangho overdroned like hell or did he just get caught offguard by Supernova's build?
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1714
On July 02 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:13 Wintex wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:12 Bagi wrote:
On July 02 2013 21:08 Die4Ever wrote:
I miss Code A finals

Stuff like this makes me think people get nostalgic for anything.

I can't remember a code A final that wasn't terrible.

Bomber vs Mvp and the one with puzzle

Puzzle vs Tassadar? I dont even think I watched that one

but dude, it's the second greatest achievement for nshoseo. gotta watch that shit.
The Bomber boy
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1715
Zerg need to find an answer to hellbat/marauder/marine/medivac timings.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1716
The game was over the moment Nova pushed out. ^^
maru lover forever
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1717
w...t...f...
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1718
losira wtf man
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1719
On July 02 2013 21:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:12 Qwerty85 wrote:
Is he trying to force Losira into roach aggression after the hellbat drop, while having tanks to defend? Could SuperNova be such a genius ?

More like he wants to be safe against a possible Roach attack while executing his Hellbat drops.


But it is actually great. Losira under responds and he can do damage, Losira makes too many roaches and he will probably try to use them somehow in offense.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#1720
Kangho too greedy, reaper killing the watchtower lings, nice push
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