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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
July 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#1641
On July 02 2013 20:59 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:59 Dodgin wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:58 Bam Lee wrote:
who actually thought first would lose against fantasy???

Firsts PvT is terrific. Maybe if first would have gotten nervous fantasy could have beaten him. But otherwise theres no way


Pigscanfly did! (he wrote the TL preview)

He predicted bomber to lose. pigscanfly is no prophet i believe in.

Bomber just made sure his prediction was disappointment?
리노크 👑
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#1642
On July 02 2013 20:59 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:57 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.

I quoted the wrong post of his, this is what I should have quoted.

First showing us Terrans a glimpse of the nightmare awaiting us when all Protoss learn and master this style.

So saying something is efficient and hard to defend = "whining" in your book?

I'd say the general tone of someone saying that is whining yes, because you could have said "this is going to be hard to defend and its going to be efficient" is pretty different to what you wrote.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#1643
It'd be sick if First royal roaded :D

IM doesn't have one of those, nor an OSL trophy. Gotta catch em all. Plus Seed needs to be replaced.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 02 2013 12:01 GMT
#1644
On July 02 2013 21:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:59 Wintex wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:59 Dodgin wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:58 Bam Lee wrote:
who actually thought first would lose against fantasy???

Firsts PvT is terrific. Maybe if first would have gotten nervous fantasy could have beaten him. But otherwise theres no way


Pigscanfly did! (he wrote the TL preview)

He predicted bomber to lose. pigscanfly is no prophet i believe in.

It does mean he'll probably be getting a pen soon

ill eat that pen.
The Bomber boy
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 12:03:55
July 02 2013 12:02 GMT
#1645
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.


Even if it's the truth, it's obviously not very hard to do boatloads of damage with hellbat drops. You keep claiming TheDwf is speaking the truth and he very well may be, but simply being a high-level player doesn't make you immune to bias. Though TheDwf may be making valid points, he fails to mention tools that Terran has that are also quite difficult for Protoss to deal with, thus he's not making a balanced assessment of the matchup as a whole. What about how, despite First's immaculate defense in those games, Hellbat drops and speedivac harass are also things that are quite difficult for Protoss players to deal with? Or is First vs. Fantasy supposed to be the be-all-end-all of PvT balance, with the assumption that First and Fantasy were equal in skill and the reason the games looked that way was because of balance problems, not because First played better than Fantasy?

If you admit that First played better than Fantasy then I don't see a problem with what we just saw. Maybe a better player could have made that harass work better.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
July 02 2013 12:02 GMT
#1646
Alright, just logged on.

So far so good on the liquid bet.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 12:03:36
July 02 2013 12:02 GMT
#1647
On July 02 2013 21:01 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
It'd be sick if First royal roaded :D

IM doesn't have one of those, nor an OSL trophy. Gotta catch em all. Plus Seed needs to be replaced.

Ahh man, your team is getting everything, while my team loses a final he was hugely favored to win :\

It's why I was such a huge fan of life :D
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
July 02 2013 12:02 GMT
#1648
Calling it now Supernova going to 2-0 Kangho.
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
July 02 2013 12:03 GMT
#1649
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.



They all saw the June winrates. They know their incessant crying was unfounded.


Also, remember the argument of how Hellbats are too easy to use because you just drop them and do something else. What do you call chargelot warp ins then?
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
July 02 2013 12:03 GMT
#1650
themarine is drunk, SuperNova is a good nickname
The curse is real
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 02 2013 12:03 GMT
#1651
hmm, themarine is super cool.

LOOL TAKE HIS NAME! DO IT NOVA
The Bomber boy
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 02 2013 12:03 GMT
#1652
On July 02 2013 21:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:59 Gamegene wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.


who said that?


just chiming in: there are lot of scenarios in TvT where you can defend near perfectly and still fall behind because of how quickly you can get a third command center and infrastructure since the hellbat drops don't actually cost that much (especially since you're getting an armory anyways) and how much money it takes to defend them (vikings turrets engie bay bunker etc.) + the mining time lost if you're forced to run.

TvP it's completely inapplicable though.


Hellbats are only really a problem in TvT. That is probably why Blizzard is taking its time to nerf them. If it was a problem in all matchups they would probably react faster.


They're completely necessary in TvP. Completely obnoxious in TvZ. Completely stupid in TvT.

If hellbats are the answer then I don't know why we're not addressing the question.
They're b
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1653
On July 02 2013 21:03 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 21:00 Qwerty85 wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:59 Gamegene wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.


who said that?


just chiming in: there are lot of scenarios in TvT where you can defend near perfectly and still fall behind because of how quickly you can get a third command center and infrastructure since the hellbat drops don't actually cost that much (especially since you're getting an armory anyways) and how much money it takes to defend them (vikings turrets engie bay bunker etc.) + the mining time lost if you're forced to run.

TvP it's completely inapplicable though.


Hellbats are only really a problem in TvT. That is probably why Blizzard is taking its time to nerf them. If it was a problem in all matchups they would probably react faster.


They're completely necessary in TvP. Completely obnoxious in TvZ. Completely stupid in TvT.

If hellbats are the answer then I don't know why we're not addressing the question.
They're b

Accidently your final sentence?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1654
lol Losira GAINED popularity?

Figured it'd go down for killing Jangbi's dreams of a golden mouse
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1655
God dammit, I don't want either of these players to lose
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1656
Losira with the massive popularity boost!
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1657
On July 02 2013 21:02 Onlinejaguar wrote:
Calling it now Supernova going to 2-0 Kangho.

Really? I'll go 2-0 the other way. I think people grossly underestimate KangHo's abilities. He's found something that he hasn't had in a while, and has been almost as consistent as Symbol (probably the most grossly under appreciated player) has in the GSL as of late.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1658
Kang-Ho +15 popularity.

The e-sports reporters probably just realized he was actually Losira.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1659
On July 02 2013 21:03 Rhaegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.



They all saw the June winrates. They know their incessant crying was unfounded.


Also, remember the argument of how Hellbats are too easy to use because you just drop them and do something else. What do you call chargelot warp ins then?

People have been saying warp prism harass is fucking stupid since inception lol.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#1660
On July 02 2013 21:03 Rhaegal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 20:55 NarutO wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:54 bo1b wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:52 Qikz wrote:
On July 02 2013 20:51 Caihead wrote:
Fantasy what happened.


Bio happened. I seem to remember the same thing happening in BW until he gave up on Bio in TvZ and just made mech work for himself.

His bio control compared to everyone else is really far down.

Hellbat drops with no damage happened.*

I don't think I've ever seen a post from you without terran whine.


Its not a whine, its the truth. People saying hellbat drops without damage still leave you ahead, which is complete and utter bullshit.



They all saw the June winrates. They know their incessant crying was unfounded.


Also, remember the argument of how Hellbats are too easy to use because you just drop them and do something else. What do you call chargelot warp ins then?

the same, really.
The Bomber boy
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