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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3461
--- Nuked ---
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3462
On May 27 2013 02:42 Wildmoon wrote:
ForGG is pretty weak in TvZ...


ForGG is a TvT god, his other matchups while not bad they certainly aren't topclass caliber.
You need to construct additional pylons.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3463
Forgg looking pretty mediocre, though that's really his normal play. Ruining the chance for an all kr finals.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3464
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.
SSVnormandy
Profile Joined July 2012
France392 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3465
the final is tonight
Battlecruisers.... Just Battlecruisers...
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3466
On May 27 2013 02:43 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:40 DJHelium wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNXyMCCAAAtdQ2.jpg:large

the road is blocked


Hahahahahahah
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3467
On May 27 2013 02:44 Bommes wrote:
will the grand final be today or is it GSL style later so the players can prepare for each other?

grand final after this match (and a break)
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
capiston
Profile Joined February 2011
France372 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3468
On May 27 2013 02:44 Bommes wrote:
will the grand final be today or is it GSL style later so the players can prepare for each other?

Today at 21:15 CEST
TaeJa | Maru | DRG | MKP
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3469
approximately 104k viewers
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3470
On May 27 2013 02:43 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:40 DJHelium wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNXyMCCAAAtdQ2.jpg:large

the road is blocked

Is he destructible ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
May 26 2013 17:44 GMT
#3471
Around 105k viewers if You count non-english streams.
Pathetic Greta hater.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3472
Stephano has to drone scout next game. Better safe than sorry.
All I do is Stim.
Merano
Profile Joined January 2008
Austria105 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3473
we already had >104k viewers if you take into account all languages broadcasted

On May 27 2013 02:42 TheDougler wrote:
Still a bit dissapointed by the viewer numbers to be honest. Really hoping we break 100k for the finals. I mean, how could it not if it's Stephano vs MVP? (guess I shouldn't count my zerglings before they hatch though).

DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3474
On May 27 2013 02:43 Hypemeup wrote:
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On May 27 2013 02:42 ACrow wrote:
I'd love to see another 2 rax now.


I'd laugh if forgg won with 11/11 2 times in a row, oh the rage would be amazing!

That would make the inevitable forGGeddon even more amazing :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33667 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3475
Hellbat drop perhaps :D?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3476
On May 27 2013 02:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:28 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS_EU Premier League Season 1 Finals - Semi Final 2
[image loading] (T)ForGG 1-1 [image loading] (Z)Stephano

Game 3

Map Bel'Shir Vestige

00:00 - Stephano Spawns Top Left , forGG Spawns Top Left



01:00 - drone scout from stephano - forGG IS IN HIS HEAD!!!!!

02:00 - CC first from forGG again
Stephano expands
CC on the low ground
Stephano harassing the SCV, forcing some repairs nice micro from both sides
pool
rax and gas from forGG

03:00 - so how bout that last game, huh, pretty bad
2 queens

04:00 - no gas from stephano looks like heavy queen play
factory for forGG
bunker at the front of the natural
2 gas from stephano now
2 more queens

05:00 - 3rd hatchery for stephano very early
2 more rax from forGG stephano scouts it instantly!!
2nd gas from forGG
techlab from forGG



06:00 - Roach warren, double evo chamber
hellion production begins
range and armour upgrades

07:00 - Stim begins and starport production
a few safety roaches for stephano
3rd gas for stephano
some nice creep denial from forGG

08:00 - marine, marauder, hellion production continuing
lair
more drones from stephano
supply blocks galore, many lulz are had

09:00 - more roaches
medivacs being built
roach speed
combat shield

10:00 - forGG moves out towards the third
Stephanos roaches are a bit out of position
ENGAGEMENT MID MAP
GOOD SURROUNDS FROM STEPHANO
BUT SO MUCH BIO, A LOT OF ROACHES DIE
18 ROACHES ON THE WAY





11:00 - forGG has to pick and go
+2 range begins for Stephano
3rd CC goes down
double ebay goes down
more drones
tanks begin for forGG
stephano spots a drop incoming

12:00 - Hydra production begins
+2 armour for stephano
1/1 for forGG
forGG sends a force to the third but stephano has split his army nicely

13:00 - 5 more rax!!!!
tanks, medivacs and bio being produced for forGG
the 3rd CC is about to land

14:00 - Hydra Speed
181-141 in favour of stephano
LETS DO THIS!!!!
Stephano has a flourishing 3 base economy
armoury
Big ROACH HYDRA ARMY
MOVING IN!!!!

15:00 - the tanks are there and stephano backs off
more roaches
4th base being taken
STEPHANO SPLITS HIS ARMY AND ATTACKS the NATURAL AND THE 3rd!!


16:00 - PERFECTLY DONE Stephano draws units into the nat and attacks it and the third
forGG gets obliterated

17:00 - STEPHANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the third base falls to reinforcements, forGG gets cleaned up and so much roach hydra keeps coming
forGG down to 2 CC and 20 SCV's
THE ARMY IS CLEANED UP!!
GGG

Stephano 2 - 0

umm its Stephano 2-1
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3477
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.

Let this never happen.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 17:46:55
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3478
On May 27 2013 02:43 Greendotz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 Batssa wrote:
Good games. Stephano's got this shit. As per cheesing, the idea of a zerg "cheesing" is usually defined by the zerg player not having 12 bases and 90 drones.


That's clearly an eco-cheese. Very abusive play


A cheese is a play defined as:

"Cheese most often refers to an unexpected strategy that relies in large parts on lack of information and/or psychological impact on the opponent. Cheese build orders typically revolve around an early attack that, if undetected, is more difficult to defend than execute."

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Cheese

Examples of cheese from above article:

+ Show Spoiler +
Cannon Rush (Protoss) - Building a Forge before the Gateway while placing one or more Pylons in the enemy mineral line, followed by Photon Cannons to stop mining and eliminate any army resistance that may have been established. There are also variations which place a proxy pylon in other locations inside the other player's base.

Proxy BBS- If scouted in time can be defended, but extremely hard to defend against if it comes at a surprise. No longer possible in SC2. The new proxy is SBB, usually against Zerg for early marine pressure, and combined with bunkers.

Proxy Gateway - building a gateway in the opponent's base and Chronoboosting out the first Zealot in order to kill the opposing workers.

Worker Rush - A worker rush is when you take all of your starting SCVs/Probes/Drones to the enemy base and attack everything there.

Aggressive Pool First - Where a Zerg player immediately creates a Spawning Pool at the beginning of the game and produces Zerglings to rush the enemy before they have any defences up.

Proxy Hatchery - A ramp assault using queens and Spine Crawlers can occur in ZvP when a Zerg places a hatchery in his opponent's expansion, and uses the creep spread to plant the spinecrawlers. The hatchery also allows faster unit attack after production, as well as queen production.


A three base all-in isn't a cheese. It can be easily be scouted, it doesn't rely on a lack of information and it certainly doesn't rely on an early undetected attack. Look at the above examples. Zerg doesn't really have a reliable cheese against Terran, but the 11/11 or 12/13 whatever Terran does.

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3479
On May 27 2013 02:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:28 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS_EU Premier League Season 1 Finals - Semi Final 2
[image loading] (T)ForGG 1-1 [image loading] (Z)Stephano

Game 3

Map Bel'Shir Vestige

00:00 - Stephano Spawns Top Left , forGG Spawns Top Left



01:00 - drone scout from stephano - forGG IS IN HIS HEAD!!!!!

02:00 - CC first from forGG again
Stephano expands
CC on the low ground
Stephano harassing the SCV, forcing some repairs nice micro from both sides
pool
rax and gas from forGG

03:00 - so how bout that last game, huh, pretty bad
2 queens

04:00 - no gas from stephano looks like heavy queen play
factory for forGG
bunker at the front of the natural
2 gas from stephano now
2 more queens

05:00 - 3rd hatchery for stephano very early
2 more rax from forGG stephano scouts it instantly!!
2nd gas from forGG
techlab from forGG



06:00 - Roach warren, double evo chamber
hellion production begins
range and armour upgrades

07:00 - Stim begins and starport production
a few safety roaches for stephano
3rd gas for stephano
some nice creep denial from forGG

08:00 - marine, marauder, hellion production continuing
lair
more drones from stephano
supply blocks galore, many lulz are had

09:00 - more roaches
medivacs being built
roach speed
combat shield

10:00 - forGG moves out towards the third
Stephanos roaches are a bit out of position
ENGAGEMENT MID MAP
GOOD SURROUNDS FROM STEPHANO
BUT SO MUCH BIO, A LOT OF ROACHES DIE
18 ROACHES ON THE WAY





11:00 - forGG has to pick and go
+2 range begins for Stephano
3rd CC goes down
double ebay goes down
more drones
tanks begin for forGG
stephano spots a drop incoming

12:00 - Hydra production begins
+2 armour for stephano
1/1 for forGG
forGG sends a force to the third but stephano has split his army nicely

13:00 - 5 more rax!!!!
tanks, medivacs and bio being produced for forGG
the 3rd CC is about to land

14:00 - Hydra Speed
181-141 in favour of stephano
LETS DO THIS!!!!
Stephano has a flourishing 3 base economy
armoury
Big ROACH HYDRA ARMY
MOVING IN!!!!

15:00 - the tanks are there and stephano backs off
more roaches
4th base being taken
STEPHANO SPLITS HIS ARMY AND ATTACKS the NATURAL AND THE 3rd!!


16:00 - PERFECTLY DONE Stephano draws units into the nat and attacks it and the third
forGG gets obliterated

17:00 - STEPHANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the third base falls to reinforcements, forGG gets cleaned up and so much roach hydra keeps coming
forGG down to 2 CC and 20 SCV's
THE ARMY IS CLEANED UP!!
GGG

Stephano 2 - 1

Zerg for Life
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3480
On May 27 2013 02:44 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 DOUDOU wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:40 DJHelium wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNXyMCCAAAtdQ2.jpg:large

the road is blocked

Is he destructible ?

I think I have a Pokeflute somewhere
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