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The organization of the show was very good. Better than competitions like MLG or IEM. I found the analysis part made by progamer that are actually competing in the WCS very fun. that scene where Dimaga was commenting the mine backfire was just hilarious.
Funka great obs.
Casters are great and entertaining.
Social media guy is weird but it's kinda fun !
Redeye is very good at interviews.
They just have to improve little things but their show seems to me to be the best ATM in the starcraft Esport.
It would be great if ESL could make a feedback thread on WCS europe in TL forum so we can put all our (positive) comments in there !
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Poland3752 Posts
On May 27 2013 20:50 Sakray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 19:09 Goldfish wrote:
He won and showed Terran can still win while Zerg and Protoss were dominating. A don't remember a single moment when Protoss were dominating. 1-3 of them were extremely good, nothing more, especially compared to a ton of Zergs and Terrans that won tournaments.
Late 2012, just before Zergs started to be imbalanced, finally lost ground to Zerg. Some facts:
Squirtle went as far as Finals of GSL and overall solid play pretty much everywhere.
Parting went on to win WCS WC, WCG, 2nd @ Blizzard Cup and WCS Asia and 3rd at WCS South Korea
Creator won TSL and WCS South Korea + 2nd @ WCS WC
Seed won GSL and derailed TaeJa at IPTL grand finals
MC was MC again, lost GSL to Seed but still solid showing
Rain won OSL, WCS Asia, 3rd @ WCS WC
HerO won NASL4 and DreamHack Winter Championships
MaNa won ESWC
All this happened @ 2nd half of 2012. This really was a period of Protoss dominance, even if relatively brief one. One can argue that Parting, Squirtle, Seed, Creator, Rain and HerO were new Six Protoss Dragons. Maybe it didn't last long enough for that, though.
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Are they going to release a replay pack of the matches especially the finals? If yes, where can we find it? Thanks.
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United Kingdom1389 Posts
I want to echo the compliments to ESL for a wonderful tournament. I really enjoyed it. The casting was excellent, the analysis was great, the observing was superb, and there were fun ways to fill the down-time between matches, with Red-Eye's interviews and, for the finals weekend, also the pre-recorded question/answers with the 8 quarter-finalists. A fantastic job all around 
On May 27 2013 22:08 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 20:50 Sakray wrote:On May 27 2013 19:09 Goldfish wrote:
He won and showed Terran can still win while Zerg and Protoss were dominating. A don't remember a single moment when Protoss were dominating. 1-3 of them were extremely good, nothing more, especially compared to a ton of Zergs and Terrans that won tournaments. Late 2012, just before Zergs started to be imbalanced, finally lost ground to Zerg. Some facts: Squirtle went as far as Finals of GSL and overall solid play pretty much everywhere. Parting went on to win WCS WC, WCG, 2nd @ Blizzard Cup and WCS Asia and 3rd at WCS South Korea Creator won TSL and WCS South Korea + 2nd @ WCS WC Seed won GSL and derailed TaeJa at IPTL grand finals MC was MC again, lost GSL to Seed but still solid showing Rain won OSL, WCS Asia, 3rd @ WCS WC HerO won NASL4 and DreamHack Winter Championships MaNa won ESWC All this happened @ 2nd half of 2012. This really was a period of Protoss dominance, even if relatively brief one. One can argue that Parting, Squirtle, Seed, Creator, Rain and HerO were new Six Protoss Dragons. Maybe it didn't last long enough for that, though.
Protoss were on top for a few months, when Squirtle made a GSL final (besides Mvp winning that was a good season for Protoss) and Seed winning the next GSL. It just so happened that this coincided with the qualifiers for WCS KR, and to some extent WCS KR itself. WCS Korea was bizarre though. It was not long after the kespa switch so the kespa players weren't really up to speed, and many of the esf players looked terrified when they played a kespa player, which led to some weird results. All in all it was about 4 or 5 months, max 6 (March 2012 to August 2012), when Protoss were doing well over Terran and Zerg. And even then they weren't OP :p
Then almost all the Korean representatives at WCS Asia and WCS World Championship were Protoss, which naturally led to Protoss domination of those tournaments 
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Poland3752 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:36 Melliflue wrote:I want to echo the compliments to ESL for a wonderful tournament. I really enjoyed it. The casting was excellent, the analysis was great, the observing was superb, and there were fun ways to fill the down-time between matches, with Red-Eye's interviews and, for the finals weekend, also the pre-recorded question/answers with the 8 quarter-finalists. A fantastic job all around Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 22:08 nimdil wrote:On May 27 2013 20:50 Sakray wrote:On May 27 2013 19:09 Goldfish wrote:
He won and showed Terran can still win while Zerg and Protoss were dominating. A don't remember a single moment when Protoss were dominating. 1-3 of them were extremely good, nothing more, especially compared to a ton of Zergs and Terrans that won tournaments. Late 2012, just before Zergs started to be imbalanced, finally lost ground to Zerg. Some facts: Squirtle went as far as Finals of GSL and overall solid play pretty much everywhere. Parting went on to win WCS WC, WCG, 2nd @ Blizzard Cup and WCS Asia and 3rd at WCS South Korea Creator won TSL and WCS South Korea + 2nd @ WCS WC Seed won GSL and derailed TaeJa at IPTL grand finals MC was MC again, lost GSL to Seed but still solid showing Rain won OSL, WCS Asia, 3rd @ WCS WC HerO won NASL4 and DreamHack Winter Championships MaNa won ESWC All this happened @ 2nd half of 2012. This really was a period of Protoss dominance, even if relatively brief one. One can argue that Parting, Squirtle, Seed, Creator, Rain and HerO were new Six Protoss Dragons. Maybe it didn't last long enough for that, though. Protoss were on top for a few months, when Squirtle made a GSL final (besides Mvp winning that was a good season for Protoss) and Seed winning the next GSL. It just so happened that this coincided with the qualifiers for WCS KR, and to some extent WCS KR itself. WCS Korea was bizarre though. It was not long after the kespa switch so the kespa players weren't really up to speed, and many of the esf players looked terrified when they played a kespa player, which led to some weird results. All in all it was about 4 or 5 months, max 6 (March 2012 to August 2012), when Protoss were doing well over Terran and Zerg. And even then they weren't OP :p Then almost all the Korean representatives at WCS Asia and WCS World Championship were Protoss, which naturally led to Protoss domination of those tournaments
Yea. Just when Protoss started to dominate latest Balance Update kicked in (Overlords + Queens). It wasn't really 6 months. More like 4, I guess.
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Laid back atmosphere (papa-ra drink anyone), the wild pros coming in (ohai mc), the little funny crowd, the casters were also pretty laid back and you could see they have fun, mixed with super legit professional production, awesome awesome games and TLO going to korea YAY.
ESL ♦♣♠♥
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On May 27 2013 22:08 nimdil wrote:
One can argue that Parting, Squirtle, Seed, Creator, Rain and HerO were new Six Protoss Dragons. Maybe it didn't last long enough for that, though.
I would argue they were the Six Protoss Dragoons. Their pathing wasn't very reliable so they tend to lose their way for extended periods of time.
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On May 27 2013 12:17 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 06:56 NeThZOR wrote:
I don't get caught up in the apparent "excitement" of TvZ anymore. The matchup is so lopsided these days. You crazy? Pretty much all the other Terrans had Zergs get the better of them in this tournament.
By my quick count in the EU Premier it was 11-11 for TvZ, with Zerg winning in EUvsEU matches (7 Terran wins to 8 Zerg wins) and Korean Terrans Mvp, MMA, and ForGG going only 4 wins to 3 losses against EU Zerg.
No Korean Zergs, server lag in the online games, and a 4 time Code S champ Terran beating a Zerg player who says he will retire in a few months doesn't say much about balance imo.
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On May 28 2013 23:50 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2013 22:08 nimdil wrote:
One can argue that Parting, Squirtle, Seed, Creator, Rain and HerO were new Six Protoss Dragons. Maybe it didn't last long enough for that, though. I would argue they were the Six Protoss Dragoons. Their pathing wasn't very reliable so they tend to lose their way for extended periods of time.
Haha, yes. There's no way they were consistent enough to be Dragons.
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Article on Penny Arcade makes a good comment about the current WCS system. Apollo Creed vs Rocky, is much more interesting to watch than Rocky vs Spider.
Article
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On May 29 2013 04:32 Ysellian wrote:Article on Penny Arcade makes a good comment about the current WCS system. Apollo Creed vs Rocky, is much more interesting to watch than Rocky vs Spider. Article
It's not a very good article. It implies that WCS last year was a flop and this year is much improved. The opposite was true, WCS Europe 2012 was widely hailed as one of the best SC2 tournaments ever. The problems at WCS NA 2012 were mainly down to MLG being run at the same time, which made it difficult for players and fans alike to cope with both tournaments simultaneously.
The issues with WCS Global Finals in China were not down to a lack of Koreans, and the article says there were four Koreans, when the reality was there were actually 7 Koreans. Production issues are production issues, and the lack of success of local Chinese players obviously left the live crowd a little disappointed. Also how can the article assume this year's Finals will be better with respect to the actual games and entertainment value. There is a lot of disgruntlement about how the lack of Region locking has led to Koreans playing in NA and EU, when they don't actually live there. Ironically most of this disgruntlement is caused by the change from last year. In 2012 the WCS Tourneys were locked by origin of the player and so in people's minds WCS Champion of Region X means the Champion of players from Region X. If this had not occurred, then people would not have been so disgruntled about the current system of non-locked regions.
The article also claims Blizzard was trying to create a system that supported the 'The creation of active local scenes with hometown heroes'. Last years system did exactly that, this year's system does not. It actually helps suppress the local scenes and reduces the chances of success by 'hometown heroes'. How the author can imply that this years WCS improves on the aspect of 'hometown heroes' is absolutely shocking, considering the absolute Korean domination in WCS NA 2013, compared to last year where NA players had a chance to shine and actually win significant prize money that helps to support the local NA SC2 scene.
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