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finkelboy
Profile Joined December 2008
Italy372 Posts
May 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#3481
Mr Park reverse all kill now. im calling it
Ma jae yoon, what else? By.hero next bonjwa
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3482
On May 27 2013 02:45 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:35 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:28 KelsierSC wrote:
WCS_EU Premier League Season 1 Finals - Semi Final 2
[image loading] (T)ForGG 1-1 [image loading] (Z)Stephano

Game 3

Map Bel'Shir Vestige

00:00 - Stephano Spawns Top Left , forGG Spawns Top Left



01:00 - drone scout from stephano - forGG IS IN HIS HEAD!!!!!

02:00 - CC first from forGG again
Stephano expands
CC on the low ground
Stephano harassing the SCV, forcing some repairs nice micro from both sides
pool
rax and gas from forGG

03:00 - so how bout that last game, huh, pretty bad
2 queens

04:00 - no gas from stephano looks like heavy queen play
factory for forGG
bunker at the front of the natural
2 gas from stephano now
2 more queens

05:00 - 3rd hatchery for stephano very early
2 more rax from forGG stephano scouts it instantly!!
2nd gas from forGG
techlab from forGG



06:00 - Roach warren, double evo chamber
hellion production begins
range and armour upgrades

07:00 - Stim begins and starport production
a few safety roaches for stephano
3rd gas for stephano
some nice creep denial from forGG

08:00 - marine, marauder, hellion production continuing
lair
more drones from stephano
supply blocks galore, many lulz are had

09:00 - more roaches
medivacs being built
roach speed
combat shield

10:00 - forGG moves out towards the third
Stephanos roaches are a bit out of position
ENGAGEMENT MID MAP
GOOD SURROUNDS FROM STEPHANO
BUT SO MUCH BIO, A LOT OF ROACHES DIE
18 ROACHES ON THE WAY





11:00 - forGG has to pick and go
+2 range begins for Stephano
3rd CC goes down
double ebay goes down
more drones
tanks begin for forGG
stephano spots a drop incoming

12:00 - Hydra production begins
+2 armour for stephano
1/1 for forGG
forGG sends a force to the third but stephano has split his army nicely

13:00 - 5 more rax!!!!
tanks, medivacs and bio being produced for forGG
the 3rd CC is about to land

14:00 - Hydra Speed
181-141 in favour of stephano
LETS DO THIS!!!!
Stephano has a flourishing 3 base economy
armoury
Big ROACH HYDRA ARMY
MOVING IN!!!!

15:00 - the tanks are there and stephano backs off
more roaches
4th base being taken
STEPHANO SPLITS HIS ARMY AND ATTACKS the NATURAL AND THE 3rd!!


16:00 - PERFECTLY DONE Stephano draws units into the nat and attacks it and the third
forGG gets obliterated

17:00 - STEPHANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the third base falls to reinforcements, forGG gets cleaned up and so much roach hydra keeps coming
forGG down to 2 CC and 20 SCV's
THE ARMY IS CLEANED UP!!
GGG

Stephano 2 - 0

umm its Stephano 2-1


Thanks I fixed it now, I guess in my mind the second game didn't happen
Zerg for Life
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3483
On May 27 2013 02:44 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 DOUDOU wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:40 DJHelium wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNXyMCCAAAtdQ2.jpg:large

the road is blocked

Is he destructible ?

This just got amazingly dark.
Glorious SEA doto
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3484
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.


I think there are more popular players than Innovation at the Season Finals, to be honest.
AdministratorBreak the chains
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3485
TL should add the total stream viewership when you hover over an event name so we don't have to calculate ourselves
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3486
So the Top5 qualfied for Korea? But for what did they qualify? Is there a Season Grand Final or only the Finals at BlizzCon?
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3487
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-


Yeah I don't know where all of that comes from. But to be honest, each player received very bad comments - like Mvp playing okish versus DIMAGA, I mean they maybe except to much or IDK
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3488
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-


The only matchup he's won in this WCS is TvT
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3489
On May 27 2013 02:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.


I think there are more popular players than Innovation at the Season Finals, to be honest.


i dunno if innovation is really THAT popular, it's mostly the loud voices of hardcore fans I think
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#3490
Craaaaaaap. 4 am and I need sleep fo work but the finals are soon and oh god what do I do
Long live the King of Wings
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3491
On May 27 2013 02:46 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.


I think there are more popular players than Innovation at the Season Finals, to be honest.


TLO
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3492
I'm sorry to complain but to me this is a major downer in terms of studio setup.

10 people in the audience for what is basically a Code S final? Is this some kind of trolling/joke ?
For instance: I'm pretty sure it could be 10x sicker with an arena by Dreamhack filled with an audience wishing to watch Mvp.
The games are great, casting awesome and a good host - but everything else....

Anyone agreeing, or disagreeing? What do you think?
(:
clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3493
On May 27 2013 02:44 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 DOUDOU wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:40 DJHelium wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNXyMCCAAAtdQ2.jpg:large

the road is blocked


Hahahahahahah

took me 2 pages to understand that pokemon reference ;(
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3494
On May 27 2013 02:46 Purpose88 wrote:
So the Top5 qualfied for Korea? But for what did they qualify? Is there a Season Grand Final or only the Finals at BlizzCon?

season
for the year final they only gain points
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3495
On May 27 2013 02:45 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:43 Greendotz wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 Batssa wrote:
Good games. Stephano's got this shit. As per cheesing, the idea of a zerg "cheesing" is usually defined by the zerg player not having 12 bases and 90 drones.


That's clearly an eco-cheese. Very abusive play


A cheese is a play defined as:

"Cheese most often refers to an unexpected strategy that relies in large parts on lack of information and/or psychological impact on the opponent. Cheese build orders typically revolve around an early attack that, if undetected, is more difficult to defend than execute."

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Cheese

Examples of cheese from above article:

+ Show Spoiler +
Cannon Rush (Protoss) - Building a Forge before the Gateway while placing one or more Pylons in the enemy mineral line, followed by Photon Cannons to stop mining and eliminate any army resistance that may have been established. There are also variations which place a proxy pylon in other locations inside the other player's base.
Proxy BBS- If scouted in time can be defended, but extremely hard to defend against if it comes at a surprise. No longer possible in SC2. The new proxy is SBB, usually against Zerg for early marine pressure, and combined with bunkers.
Proxy Gateway - building a gateway in the opponent's base and Chronoboosting out the first Zealot in order to kill the opposing workers.
Worker Rush - A worker rush is when you take all of your starting SCVs/Probes/Drones to the enemy base and attack everything there.
Aggressive Pool First - Where a Zerg player immediately creates a Spawning Pool at the beginning of the game and produces Zerglings to rush the enemy before they have any defences up.
Proxy Hatchery - A ramp assault using queens and Spine Crawlers can occur in ZvP when a Zerg places a hatchery in his opponent's expansion, and uses the creep spread to plant the spinecrawlers. The hatchery also allows faster unit attack after production, as well as queen production.


A three base all-in isn't a cheese. It can be easily be scouted, it doesn't rely on a lack of information and it certainly doesn't rely on an early undetected attack.


No, something like 3-bases lings/banes/roaches attacks are in no way "easily scouted" but they do rely on a lack of information to work (otherwise Terran bunkers and/or Tanks and holds easily, e. g. Bogus vs Symbol on Whirlwind).
broodmann
Profile Joined December 2011
604 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3496
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-


TBH he is looking really bad here vs Stephano, its almost like he doesnt even know who he is playing against. For example, the build he did in game 3, there's no way that was going to work vs Stephano. In the first game he kept attacking furiously on creep splitting his units very poorly. If Luci had advanced we would probably at least had a decent series on our hands.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3497
On May 27 2013 02:45 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.

Let this never happen.


I think forgg is best of the world in tvt and would kill any korean terran. Other matchups he is mediocre pro (which still is really high level, but ofcourse less then his tvt and therefore he will not win big final).
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3498
On May 27 2013 02:46 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:46 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:44 Derez wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:41 broodmann wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:39 Zealously wrote:
I won't bother, actually


ForGG hasnt exactly been crushing his way to the semi finals


He's looked decidedly sub-par at times, I know. It still doesn't justify random forum-goers calling him "bad", "unskilled" and whatnot. I can accept criticising his build orders or a specific part of his play, but if he was so bad he wouldn't be in the semifinals of WCS EU. I wish more people would understand that -.-

ForGG might reach sniper levels of hatred if he takes out innovation at the global finals ;p.


I think there are more popular players than Innovation at the Season Finals, to be honest.


i dunno if innovation is really THAT popular, it's mostly the loud voices of hardcore fans I think


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Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3499
On May 27 2013 02:46 LimitSEA wrote:
Craaaaaaap. 4 am and I need sleep fo work but the finals are soon and oh god what do I do


Sleep is for the weak.
All I do is Stim.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
May 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#3500
Go for another comeback series Park Ji Soo!
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