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partydude89
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1850 Posts
April 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#181
dam. CJ herO just has such a contagious smile. ya gotta love him. oh, and hes pretty good at starcraft, lol.
#1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#182
On April 27 2013 13:11 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:
[quote]
I thought he played terribly... >_>


They both played sloppy.


Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck


Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time.

exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.


I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.


I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.


Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.


Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second.


All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map.


Expecting them does not mean you can stop them. Insinuating that is absolutely silly.
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
April 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#183
On April 27 2013 13:18 EleanorRIgby wrote:
is it worth it to focus fire with voidrays or is it a move all the way?

against stalkers that is

Very bad to focus because they can pull you out of position with blink
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 27 2013 04:21 GMT
#184
On April 27 2013 13:18 ThomasR wrote:
i don't play protoss, and have almost zero understanding of pvp, but isn't storm good against mass void rays? (i've seen some protoss use it against mass void ray in pvp in previous proleague matches)


It is but it's really hard to tech to because of hte insane gas cost and time needed to build up the storms. They also slow down your army significantly. Not to mention the voids can move out of it and then recharge shields. But yes, it is pretty good, it's just hard to get.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2013 04:24 GMT
#185
On April 27 2013 13:15 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him.

I thought he played terribly... >_>


They both played sloppy.


Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck


Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time.

exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.


I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.

i said what i meant believe it or not you might have interpreted it wrong though, as by the level i meant the competition level, which requires both players to be equally good. The tension is what generates mistakes


tension/pressure can create mistakes as well and I do like to call unforced errors when I see them based on army position and the multitask, but if we're talking about the last game. We're talking about a stupid amount of mistakes and at high level starcraft normally a few of those is enough to decide the game. So yes both of them played sloppy. ._. No other way for me to describe it. Some forced and a lot of unforced errors.
ThomasR
Profile Joined January 2012
764 Posts
April 27 2013 04:27 GMT
#186
On April 27 2013 13:21 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 13:18 ThomasR wrote:
i don't play protoss, and have almost zero understanding of pvp, but isn't storm good against mass void rays? (i've seen some protoss use it against mass void ray in pvp in previous proleague matches)


It is but it's really hard to tech to because of hte insane gas cost and time needed to build up the storms. They also slow down your army significantly. Not to mention the voids can move out of it and then recharge shields. But yes, it is pretty good, it's just hard to get.

true, but classic already had the archives up for archons...for 200/200 he'd have storm
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 27 2013 04:28 GMT
#187
man I would really love to see a TvZ on Fighting Spirit they might need to modify it alot for Round 5
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 04:29:52
April 27 2013 04:28 GMT
#188
On April 27 2013 13:19 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 13:11 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:
[quote]

They both played sloppy.


Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck


Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time.

exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.


I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.


I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.


Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.


Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second.


All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map.


Expecting them does not mean you can stop them. Insinuating that is absolutely silly.


If you want to be a good Z v T you sort of have to. Heck, even Greg started to put down several sunkens and spores at his bases to help against the issue. It's sort of necessity. You have to be able to have some control over your base. What do you think a lot of the good zergs do (even if foreigner)? They're right on top of it most of the time. It's just one of those things you have to get good at if you want to find any success in that match-up for instance.
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 27 2013 04:32 GMT
#189
On April 27 2013 12:55 trifecta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 12:49 BisuDagger wrote:
I would almost like STX, but they don't have (P)Kal


or BrainZerg (at least he's still coaching)

or hwasin ;(
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2013 04:34 GMT
#190
On April 27 2013 13:32 EpiK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 12:55 trifecta wrote:
On April 27 2013 12:49 BisuDagger wrote:
I would almost like STX, but they don't have (P)Kal


or BrainZerg (at least he's still coaching)

or hwasin ;(


I don't miss the Red Sniper though. X-x
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
April 27 2013 04:35 GMT
#191
lol I didn't know widow mines can't detect dts.
nice defense
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
April 27 2013 04:37 GMT
#192
Wow, what a bad time to pause...
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 27 2013 04:37 GMT
#193
lol I thought he was GGing
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
April 27 2013 04:37 GMT
#194
noooooo a pause in CJ domination D:
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
April 27 2013 04:38 GMT
#195
might have lost those sentries because of keybaord error or w/e. Luckily with the replay function they can rewind to the point where his keybaord fucked up/.
savior did nothing wrong
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 27 2013 04:45 GMT
#196
On the bright side we're no longer seeing D/Qs because of not following their old etiquette.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
April 27 2013 04:48 GMT
#197
Hmm, built-in countdown doesn't work on these maps or something?
TL should have a minigame where you have to destroy some rocks before you can make a new post – DentalFloss
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 04:54:34
April 27 2013 04:53 GMT
#198
interesting going a lot of mines against protoss, against all these zealots it should be good but they need to get good hits off

not really impressed with the widow mines, need drilling claws a lot earlier
savior did nothing wrong
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
April 27 2013 04:54 GMT
#199
ByOn the no micro terran
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
April 27 2013 04:54 GMT
#200
Poll: Recommend Dear vs Bbyong R4?

No (9)
 
69%

Yes (3)
 
23%

If you have time (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Bbyong R4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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