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On April 27 2013 12:52 Khalleb wrote:
it felt so weard to see effort killing inno's army and yet i look a the supply and inno was only 10ish supply behind after getting his army crush
1. Innovation never let a large army get crushed AND the medivacs always flew away.
2. Innovation's macro was far better than efforts: always kept mins below 400/400, while effort was at 800/100 a lot of the time
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OMG NOOBSlovely caster pppl lol. SOUL means "StarCraft of Unbelievable Legend" *facepalm*
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On April 27 2013 12:50 EleanorRIgby wrote:
you really need endless lings to support ultra/infestor, you either win or lose battles depending on your ling count and positioning.
I completely agree, but it's also really hard as if you noticed Effort los ta lot of lings constantly to widow mines. Widow mines are far better than tanks ever were in terms of cost efficiency and ease of use.
On April 27 2013 12:55 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:52 Khalleb wrote:
it felt so weard to see effort killing inno's army and yet i look a the supply and inno was only 10ish supply behind after getting his army crush 1. Innovation never let a large army get crushed AND the medivacs always flew away. 2. Innovation's macro was far better than efforts: always kept mins below 400/400, while effort was at 800/100 a lot of the time
Zerg will never be able to keep minerals/gas as low because they have their macro in bursts due to injects. The larvae come all at once and you spend all at once, as opposed to constantly as Terran. We also don't know how much queuing was involved by Innovoation.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style.
Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think.
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On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.
I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!!
Yeah. And Hi from Brasil
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twitch lagging for people? Youtube is fine but twich is really choppy
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On April 27 2013 12:57 DMXD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think.
From the games I've seen, at least in comparison to Innovation, his style is less aggressive. I think it's because he doesn't drop as much as Innovation and tries to just macro up like in BW>
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On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.
I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!!
Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
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On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
Yeah I'm used to proleague starting at 2AM back from Broodwar... watching SKT1 play to ace match made me miss class a lot in college... was worth it.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
I think hes talking about how we will ever watch, no matter the timezone.
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On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
I believe his point was that Innovation is a much better player than what we've seen in his game today against Effort which is true.
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fuckin' A hero just go kill him
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On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.
Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style.
what are you talking about? Terran needs to be aggressive today if playing bio, so flash is nonstop aggression these days. Watch flash vs b4 -_-
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On April 27 2013 13:00 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 DMXD wrote:On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think. From the games I've seen, at least in comparison to Innovation, his style is less aggressive. I think it's because he doesn't drop as much as Innovation and tries to just macro up like in BW>
Different kind of aggression. Bogus does multiple drops which are deadly because of his incredible multitasking while Flash sends streams of bio + mines which seem endless because of his incredible macro.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
It's maybe a little bit too late for me, sorry (maybe my wife, kids, and jobs  ) .
@Taipoka
We don't have a lot information on South amercican scene, so what the situation on brazil n ow? Still Potiguar and Tunico on the top ?
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