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Poll: Who are you CHEERING for?STX SouL (13) 62% CJ Entus (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who are you CHEERING for? (Vote): STX SouL
(Vote): CJ Entus
Poll: What WILL happen?STX SouL 4-3 CJ Entus (7) 41% STX SouL 4-2 CJ Entus (5) 29% STX SouL 4-1 CJ Entus (2) 12% STX SouL 4-0 CJ Entus (1) 6% CJ Entus 4-2 STX SouL (1) 6% CJ Entus 4-3 STX SouL (1) 6% CJ Entus 4-0 STX SouL (0) 0% CJ Entus 4-1 STX SouL (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: What WILL happen? (Vote): STX SouL 4-0 CJ Entus
(Vote): STX SouL 4-1 CJ Entus
(Vote): STX SouL 4-2 CJ Entus
(Vote): STX SouL 4-3 CJ Entus
(Vote): CJ Entus 4-0 STX SouL
(Vote): CJ Entus 4-1 STX SouL
(Vote): CJ Entus 4-2 STX SouL
(Vote): CJ Entus 4-3 STX SouL
Poll: Most anticipated game?INnoVation vs EffOrt (20) 87% Last vs Hydra (2) 9% Classic vs herO (1) 4% Dear vs Bbyong (0) 0% hyvaa vs Bong (0) 0% Trap vs SonGDuri (0) 0% 23 total votes Your vote: Most anticipated game? (Vote): INnoVation vs EffOrt
(Vote): Classic vs herO
(Vote): Dear vs Bbyong
(Vote): hyvaa vs Bong
(Vote): Last vs Hydra
(Vote): Trap vs SonGDuri
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Only one mirror matchup??? This is an outrage!
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I didn't know it was possible to have a Proleague match without at least 3 PvP + ZvZ
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your Country52797 Posts
CJ 4-0, best part is that it could actually happen.
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On April 27 2013 09:41 The_Templar wrote:
CJ 4-0, best part is that it could actually happen.
Lmao Bogus, man.
4-0 STX
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On April 27 2013 09:44 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 09:41 The_Templar wrote:
CJ 4-0, best part is that it could actually happen. Lmao Bogus, man. 4-0 STX
That prediction is bogus, man. herO will win in a classical way so there is no need for your efforts.
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INnoVation > EffOrt
Classic < herO
Dear > Bbyong
hyvaa > Bong
Last < Hydra
Trap > SonGDuri
STX 4-2
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CJCJCJCJCJCJCJCJCJJCCJCJCJCJCJCJCJCCJCJCJJCJCJ :D
if it isn't 4-0 it will defo be 4-1 (HYDRA I BELIEVEEE)
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Come on CJ!
The cards say CJ 4-2 STX scrubs.
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I didn't think STX will turn into a team this solid. It's like all of their rookies matured all at once into a very frightening lineup.
Rooting for  INnoVation as always ever since BW.
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Bogus win, herO win, Dear win, Songduri loss, and Dear ace win please. Ok I'll be realistic, Bogus ace win is fine. Oh or herO ace win but not against Bogus or Dear. I'm so needy.
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I'm actually looking forward to Last versus Hydra the most because I think Bogus is going to murder my alien boy. I think EffOrt's going to get smoked.
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What a great match to start out. Let's go STX!
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4 base vs 5 base all day plz
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Innovation looked like he was thinking about something else 
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Not as new as you may think. He's dyed it before.
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I want CJ to win this but the matchups seem better for STX to me. T_T
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cant wait to see innovation run all over effort.
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Sweet, haven't missed anything yet :D
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EffOrt looks pretty sleepy. 
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Let's go STX!!!
Gonna be a great starting match. Innovation >>> effort
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i love your signature TimENT
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On April 27 2013 12:13 Dodgin wrote:
i love your signature TimENT
<3333
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thanks for the thread Hier!
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so thats why Skyhigh isnt seeded today xD
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wow, effort has leveled up.
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I feel like innovation is slightly off right now
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OH YEAH BABY KIM JUNG WOO~
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Mines have become really ineffective in tvz.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
What happened to all the CJ fans? So rare to see STX fans outnumber them here. They must be running to the hills with the STX rampage this round.
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A lot of zergs seem to be playing so much better vs mines, so many more close TvZ's it seems.
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Innovation's macro is absurdly good lol
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What was that pack of lings on top of a mine?
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God damn innovation is sexy
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ahh it seems bogus finished powering up to his final form, effort is starting to lose ground
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Prediction
INnoVation > EffOrt
Classic < herO
Dear > Bbyong
hyvaa > Bong
Last < Hydra
Trap > SonGDuri
STX SouL 4 - 2 CJ Entus
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On April 27 2013 12:36 Dodgin wrote:
ahh it seems bogus finished powering up to his final form, effort is starting to lose ground
lol Effort is about to increase my FPL points.
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Yep, Widow mines are something that gets weaker the more the metagame evovles.
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your Country52797 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:36 Entirety wrote:
Prediction
INnoVation > EffOrt
Classic < herO
Dear > Bbyong
hyvaa > Bong
Last < Hydra
Trap > SonGDuri
STX SouL 4 - 2 CJ Entus
Sorry, someone made that prediction on page one already.
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effort simply has no chance to be aggressive...
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lol half the fights there are no lings just ultras+infestors, looks pretty funny
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That's some quality play right there
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ok wow bogus is going to lose
or not
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nooooooooo, why innovation why? ><
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And the circle is complete. Here we are at Infestor/BroodLord
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Holy fuck Innovation is just too sexy
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On April 27 2013 12:37 Tachion wrote:
effort simply has no chance to be aggressive...
He does, he just isn't taking a chance to move it. He's not being bold. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some home ground to force the terran back.
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And EffOrt decides to leave five Brood Lords unattended in the middle of the map.
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On April 27 2013 12:38 Taipoka wrote:
And the circle is complete. Here we are at Infestor/BroodLord
A lot more fun watching them get to it this way tho.
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lol Bogus not targeting that red-hp greater spire. It might cost him the game
edit: not quite -_-
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muhahahaha bogus has no minerals
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On April 27 2013 12:39 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:38 Taipoka wrote:
And the circle is complete. Here we are at Infestor/BroodLord A lot more fun watching them get to it this way tho.
Agree
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This game shows how amazing ST_Legend really is. The quality of observing is pretty bad here.
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EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him.
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Is effort still playing? he had 30 larva with 1.5/1.5 for like 30 sec ish
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On April 27 2013 12:41 redviper wrote:
This game shows how amazing ST_Legend really is. The quality of observing is pretty bad here.
yea i wish legend could obs everything
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That was a lot closer than expected. GG
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HAVE MY BABIES INNOVATION
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On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him.
I thought he played terribly... >_>
Killed Innvotion's full army multiple times, but let his fourth go up for free anyways.
Never harassed well with mutas.
Ultras got nothing done all game.
/shrug
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That was a really good game
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OMG how does he do it, it's amazing
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Poll: Recommend INnoVation vs EffOrt R4?Yes (30) 91% No (2) 6% If you have time (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: Recommend INnoVation vs EffOrt R4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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Damn it Effort, I want to win FPL...he was doing so good, or at least I'm hearing that he was.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
Wow effort blew that one.
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Dammit efffrrorroorot!D:
It's okay, next time <3
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United States23455 Posts
Innovation is now one of the most popular Korean players and STX now has more fans than CJ. Weird.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I sometimes think the best way to play ZvT on that map is to just contain the Terran on 4 bases.
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YES THANK YOU BASED BOGUS.
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On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_>
They both played sloppy.
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surprisingly sloppy game by bogus. Glad he won though
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what the fuck
How did he win? I figured it was efforts game when had like 12 ultras 2k/2k in the bank and a bunch of infestors too.
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wow thought effort got this. gg!!!
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On April 27 2013 12:43 Fionn wrote:
Innovation is now one of the most popular Korean players and STX now has more fans than CJ. Weird.
Things change. For the better <3
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I feel Effort had a massive army advantage in the midgame but got over-distracted with the drops of Bogus. If he had forced a straight on engagement, this game would probably have gone to Effort.
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Wow I was sure Effort had this..!
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awesome game by Innovation! His multitasking seemed a bit lacking though. I mean that greater spire living with 44 and then running medivacs into spores etc... but ya, his macro/micro especially in the last while allowed him to pull through imo
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Oh man, got real scared the effort might win...
Innovation's macro is pretty good
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Well effort has good zvt it seems
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Widow mines... so good...
On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_>
It's so insanely hard to anti drop with Zerg... I thought he handled the drops phenomenally. He took almost zero economic damage and got the better end of every trade. Widow mines were a huge factor in him being able to not do a full on counter attack and win the game though.
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On April 27 2013 12:43 DMXD wrote:
wow thought effort got this. gg!!!
same here o.o
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On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy.
Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck
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Oh my god, what a comeback from Innovation. His play is just amazing, and his tenacity is just...incredible.
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Don't happy that Europe is not awake for this good game 
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I was really impressed with Effort's micro, not so much innovation's micro.
Effort was in a very good position, I feel like if he expanded to the fifth earlier and took a sixth with more static defense for the drops so he could gather his army, he would've easily taken that game.
Innovation played good, but has to step it up a notch when he plays Life next week
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On April 27 2013 12:43 Coriolis wrote:
what the fuck
How did he win? I figured it was efforts game when had like 12 ultras 2k/2k in the bank and a bunch of infestors too.
Innovation dodged a lot of fungals and effort kept throwing away ultras and running them over mines. I think 2-3 mines took out like 2 ultras or at least red range since he stood them on top lol
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I liked the days when STX had only a few fans. There was a melancholy aspect to their cheering.
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On April 27 2013 12:44 Wertheron wrote:Don't happy that Europe is not awake for this good game
Dreamhack tired them out :p
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On April 27 2013 12:43 Fionn wrote:
Innovation is now one of the most popular Korean players and STX now has more fans than CJ. Weird.
This is whty you should have stars.
Lets talk about, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, etc.
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Somehow Innovation remembers me of MMA on his prime days. It looks like he is behind, but he start to play so agressive with lots of multitask and drop play and suddenly the Zergs dies.
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EffOrt looks like he has it. And suddenly Bogus streams countless of bio killing the 5th & ends the game -_-
If any, zerg still needs to polish their mines awareness. They fall apart 100% at endgame when the number of mines gets absurd
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On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck
Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time.
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On April 27 2013 12:44 tozi wrote:
I was really impressed with Effort's micro, not so much innovation's micro.
Wow, has the bar really been set this high? His target firing and splitting was incredible during the fights...
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
Poll: Bogustotally (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Bogus (Vote): totally
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Has anyone ever tried to ling baneling bust Bogus? I mean sure, he's not as greedy as Flash but I wonder if it will work against him.
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On April 27 2013 12:45 Tur wrote:
Somehow Innovation remembers me of MMA on his prime days. It looks like he is behind, but he start to play so agressive with lots of multitask and drop play and suddenly the Zergs dies.
His play is far better than MMA because he micros AND macros better
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Daamnnnn Innovation is good but it just goes to show Effort's great zvt as well. He went toe to toe with him and had him on the backfoot.
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On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck
I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map.
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On April 27 2013 12:44 FabledIntegral wrote:Widow mines... so good... Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> It's so insanely hard to anti drop with Zerg... I thought he handled the drops phenomenally. He took almost zero economic damage and got the better end of every trade. Widow mines were a huge factor in him being able to not do a full on counter attack and win the game though.
Effort could have finished with muta-ling-bling in the midgame. As soon as he switched to Infestor-Ultra he started losing.
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On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> Killed Innvotion's full army multiple times, but let his fourth go up for free anyways. Never harassed well with mutas. Ultras got nothing done all game. /shrug
Mm tbh they both played kinda sloppy but I still felt EffOrt wasn't playing that bad. At least he seemed better than what he used be some time ago. Really close and good game imo.
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Honestly, EffOrt could have played a bit better. After he got ultalisks he used his entire army to chase one medivac around the map instead of destroying at least one of Bogus's expansions.
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On April 27 2013 12:46 Kommander wrote:
Has anyone ever tried to ling baneling bust Bogus? I mean sure, he's not as greedy as Flash but I wonder if it will work against him.
wait for him to play life u'll see
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I wonder if life was watching that game
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On April 27 2013 12:46 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:45 Tur wrote:
Somehow Innovation remembers me of MMA on his prime days. It looks like he is behind, but he start to play so agressive with lots of multitask and drop play and suddenly the Zergs dies. His play is far better than MMA because he micros AND macros better
I'm a little suspicious that you might be a tiny bit biased
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On April 27 2013 12:48 Hier wrote:
Honestly, EffOrt could have played a bit better. After he got ultalisks he used his entire army to chase one medivac around the map instead of destroying at least one of Bogus's expansions.
They both could have, but this is what happens when all chaos breaks out.
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On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time.
exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.
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On April 27 2013 12:46 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:45 Tur wrote:
Somehow Innovation remembers me of MMA on his prime days. It looks like he is behind, but he start to play so agressive with lots of multitask and drop play and suddenly the Zergs dies. His play is far better than MMA because he micros AND macros better
Yes, his mechanics is better. I was talking about his style.
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LOL this is my first time hearing that song that just played.. "we don't give a fuckkk" seems so out of place
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On April 27 2013 12:48 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:46 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 Tur wrote:
Somehow Innovation remembers me of MMA on his prime days. It looks like he is behind, but he start to play so agressive with lots of multitask and drop play and suddenly the Zergs dies. His play is far better than MMA because he micros AND macros better I'm a little suspicious that you might be a tiny bit biased
Just a little. But, MMA was my former hero
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His TvZ is just godlike, hope he can beast up on TvT, so get his crown sooner.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
I would almost like STX, but they don't have  Kal
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innovation just played perfectly...I mean literally, perfectly, in every aspect in the game. he looks like a machine instead of human
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you really need endless lings to support ultra/infestor, you either win or lose battles depending on your ling count and positioning.
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On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map.
If Flash's level of play right now is considered "not that good yet" then I shudder at the thought of what his highest level of SC2 play will be if and when he gets there.
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On April 27 2013 12:50 StelleWind wrote:
innovation just played perfectly...I mean literally, perfectly, in every aspect in the game. he looks like a machine instead of human
that's a bit extreme i've seen way better tvz games from him before
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On April 27 2013 12:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
His TvZ is just godlike, hope he can beast up on TvT, so get his crown sooner.
The game he won vs Flash was insane. It made me wonder if his TvT is actually better than his TvZ. I think I remember reading in an interview of his a while ago that his TvT is his best matchup...
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On April 27 2013 12:46 Kommander wrote:
Has anyone ever tried to ling baneling bust Bogus? I mean sure, he's not as greedy as Flash but I wonder if it will work against him.
Life probably will at least once in Group B
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it felt so weard to see effort killing inno's army and yet i look a the supply and inno was only 10ish supply behind after getting his army crush
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On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map.
I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style.
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On April 27 2013 12:49 BisuDagger wrote:I would almost like STX, but they don't have Kal
or BrainZerg (at least he's still coaching)
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On April 27 2013 12:47 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:44 FabledIntegral wrote:Widow mines... so good... On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> It's so insanely hard to anti drop with Zerg... I thought he handled the drops phenomenally. He took almost zero economic damage and got the better end of every trade. Widow mines were a huge factor in him being able to not do a full on counter attack and win the game though. Effort could have finished with muta-ling-bling in the midgame. As soon as he switched to Infestor-Ultra he started losing.
1. It's incredibly risky to try to end it with that composition because as the game goes on it gets significantly less and less effective. It's almost allin to try to finish it.
2. Widow mines are so insanely effective against muta-ling-bling it's one of the best ways to throw a game going in for the kill, because when you bust a nat you have to go in at once, which makes you more susceptible as Terran has much better positioning.
3. He did try to end it, he went into the nat and got shit on.
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It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!!
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On April 27 2013 12:52 Khalleb wrote:
it felt so weard to see effort killing inno's army and yet i look a the supply and inno was only 10ish supply behind after getting his army crush
1. Innovation never let a large army get crushed AND the medivacs always flew away.
2. Innovation's macro was far better than efforts: always kept mins below 400/400, while effort was at 800/100 a lot of the time
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
OMG NOOBSlovely caster pppl lol. SOUL means "StarCraft of Unbelievable Legend" *facepalm*
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On April 27 2013 12:50 EleanorRIgby wrote:
you really need endless lings to support ultra/infestor, you either win or lose battles depending on your ling count and positioning.
I completely agree, but it's also really hard as if you noticed Effort los ta lot of lings constantly to widow mines. Widow mines are far better than tanks ever were in terms of cost efficiency and ease of use.
On April 27 2013 12:55 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:52 Khalleb wrote:
it felt so weard to see effort killing inno's army and yet i look a the supply and inno was only 10ish supply behind after getting his army crush 1. Innovation never let a large army get crushed AND the medivacs always flew away. 2. Innovation's macro was far better than efforts: always kept mins below 400/400, while effort was at 800/100 a lot of the time
Zerg will never be able to keep minerals/gas as low because they have their macro in bursts due to injects. The larvae come all at once and you spend all at once, as opposed to constantly as Terran. We also don't know how much queuing was involved by Innovoation.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style.
Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think.
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On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this.
I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!!
Yeah. And Hi from Brasil
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twitch lagging for people? Youtube is fine but twich is really choppy
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On April 27 2013 12:57 DMXD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think.
From the games I've seen, at least in comparison to Innovation, his style is less aggressive. I think it's because he doesn't drop as much as Innovation and tries to just macro up like in BW>
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On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.
I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!!
Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
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On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
Yeah I'm used to proleague starting at 2AM back from Broodwar... watching SKT1 play to ace match made me miss class a lot in college... was worth it.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
I think hes talking about how we will ever watch, no matter the timezone.
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On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at.
I believe his point was that Innovation is a much better player than what we've seen in his game today against Effort which is true.
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fuckin' A hero just go kill him
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On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially.
Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style.
what are you talking about? Terran needs to be aggressive today if playing bio, so flash is nonstop aggression these days. Watch flash vs b4 -_-
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On April 27 2013 13:00 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 DMXD wrote:On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think. From the games I've seen, at least in comparison to Innovation, his style is less aggressive. I think it's because he doesn't drop as much as Innovation and tries to just macro up like in BW>
Different kind of aggression. Bogus does multiple drops which are deadly because of his incredible multitasking while Flash sends streams of bio + mines which seem endless because of his incredible macro.
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On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party!
It's maybe a little bit too late for me, sorry (maybe my wife, kids, and jobs ) .
@Taipoka
We don't have a lot information on South amercican scene, so what the situation on brazil n ow? Still Potiguar and Tunico on the top ?
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God damn, this game is a stagnant snorefest after a game like that
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On April 27 2013 13:06 Wertheron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party! It's maybe a little bit too late for me, sorry (maybe my wife, kids, and jobs ) . @Taipoka We don't have a lot information on South amercican scene, so what the situation on brazil n ow? Still Potiguar and Tunico on the top ?
Sorry, I really know more about Korean scene than Brazilian. Ugh!
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funny battle lol voidrays =D
hero adding more stargates.
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On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially. Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second.
All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map.
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LOL This PvP is sooooo sad. SC2 PvP is such a sad game to spectate.
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New drinking game:
Everytime SNM says "for himself."
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That battle is so hilarious, first colossus got raped, then void rays slaughtered.
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On April 27 2013 13:05 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. what are you talking about? Terran needs to be aggressive today if playing bio, so flash is nonstop aggression these days. Watch flash vs b4 -_-
Whenever I think back to Innovation vs Leenock at MLG, I can't help but feel like we haven't seen anyone including Flash play to that level, not to say that Flash is far back or anything. I would say they are almost equal with Innovation taking a slight lead. Unfortunately, I missed Flash's code S games so I'm not sure just how much better he has gotten since a while back.
On April 27 2013 13:06 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:00 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 DMXD wrote:On April 27 2013 12:55 BigFan wrote:On April 27 2013 12:46 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck I'm sorry, but I don't think Flash is that great at SC2 yet and Bogus definitely could have played that better. There's nothing spontaneous about what he did. He's known to use constant drops all over the map. I agree with this. Flash might've been the best BW player at the end etc... but Innovation is definitely the better player imo. His aggressive playstyle is amazing to watch in comparison to Flash's style. Really? Flash is pretty aggressive himself in sc2 but he take way more risks compare to bogus I think. From the games I've seen, at least in comparison to Innovation, his style is less aggressive. I think it's because he doesn't drop as much as Innovation and tries to just macro up like in BW> Different kind of aggression. Bogus does multiple drops which are deadly because of his incredible multitasking while Flash sends streams of bio + mines which seem endless because of his incredible macro.
fair enough
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On April 27 2013 13:11 Thrillz wrote:
New drinking game, everytime SNM says "for himself."
All casters have tics. ~_~
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If I were blind and listening I'd think that the game was close
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Protoss matchups, they hurt! They hurt my soul!!!
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On April 27 2013 13:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:11 Thrillz wrote:
New drinking game, everytime SNM says "for himself." All casters have tics. ~_~
Siiiiiiiiick.
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On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do.
i said what i meant believe it or not you might have interpreted it wrong though, as by the level i meant the competition level, which requires both players to be equally good. The tension is what generates mistakes
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I watch 500 mass voidray games and still never fully realize how good it is
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Poll: Recommend Classic vs herO R4?Yes (9) 53% No (5) 29% If you have time (3) 18% 17 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs herO R4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On April 27 2013 13:06 Wertheron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:02 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:55 Wertheron wrote:
It's the first time i watch SPL so late (it's 6 am here in France) we have to make a congratulation thread on all the foreigners viewers, when european viewers stop, amercians (US,Canadian, Brazilian and the rest of South America) take over, we are "sc2 crazy"!!! Why? A lot of us have been watching for years at even worse hours. Right now, the time is actually pretty nice for us compared to what we're normally used to. Welcome to the party! It's maybe a little bit too late for me, sorry (maybe my wife, kids, and jobs ) . @Taipoka We don't have a lot information on South amercican scene, so what the situation on brazil n ow? Still Potiguar and Tunico on the top ?
Basically, yes.
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Awesome game. This map was obviously air superior with the placements of the 3rds and that deny just gave hero a huge lead. I was scared he was going to lose after overcommitting those voids but he had a bank.
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On April 27 2013 13:15 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:13 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:11 Thrillz wrote:
New drinking game, everytime SNM says "for himself." All casters have tics. ~_~ Siiiiiiiiick.
"xxx was the best _ _ I have casted"
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is it worth it to focus fire with voidrays or is it a move all the way?
against stalkers that is
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i don't play protoss, and have almost zero understanding of pvp, but isn't storm good against mass void rays? (i've seen some protoss use it against mass void ray in pvp in previous proleague matches)
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dam. CJ herO just has such a contagious smile. ya gotta love him. oh, and hes pretty good at starcraft, lol.
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On April 27 2013 13:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:
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I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially. Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second. All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map.
Expecting them does not mean you can stop them. Insinuating that is absolutely silly.
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On April 27 2013 13:18 EleanorRIgby wrote:
is it worth it to focus fire with voidrays or is it a move all the way?
against stalkers that is
Very bad to focus because they can pull you out of position with blink
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On April 27 2013 13:18 ThomasR wrote:
i don't play protoss, and have almost zero understanding of pvp, but isn't storm good against mass void rays? (i've seen some protoss use it against mass void ray in pvp in previous proleague matches)
It is but it's really hard to tech to because of hte insane gas cost and time needed to build up the storms. They also slow down your army significantly. Not to mention the voids can move out of it and then recharge shields. But yes, it is pretty good, it's just hard to get.
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On April 27 2013 13:15 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:42 Gescom wrote:On April 27 2013 12:41 TR wrote:
EffOrt playing scary good. Never underestimate him. I thought he played terribly... >_> They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. i said what i meant believe it or not you might have interpreted it wrong though, as by the level i meant the competition level, which requires both players to be equally good. The tension is what generates mistakes
tension/pressure can create mistakes as well and I do like to call unforced errors when I see them based on army position and the multitask, but if we're talking about the last game. We're talking about a stupid amount of mistakes and at high level starcraft normally a few of those is enough to decide the game. So yes both of them played sloppy. ._. No other way for me to describe it. Some forced and a lot of unforced errors.
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On April 27 2013 13:21 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:18 ThomasR wrote:
i don't play protoss, and have almost zero understanding of pvp, but isn't storm good against mass void rays? (i've seen some protoss use it against mass void ray in pvp in previous proleague matches) It is but it's really hard to tech to because of hte insane gas cost and time needed to build up the storms. They also slow down your army significantly. Not to mention the voids can move out of it and then recharge shields. But yes, it is pretty good, it's just hard to get.
true, but classic already had the archives up for archons...for 200/200 he'd have storm
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man I would really love to see a TvZ on Fighting Spirit they might need to modify it alot for Round 5
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On April 27 2013 13:19 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:11 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:43 StarStruck wrote:
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They both played sloppy. Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially. Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second. All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map. Expecting them does not mean you can stop them. Insinuating that is absolutely silly.
If you want to be a good Z v T you sort of have to. Heck, even Greg started to put down several sunkens and spores at his bases to help against the issue. It's sort of necessity. You have to be able to have some control over your base. What do you think a lot of the good zergs do (even if foreigner)? They're right on top of it most of the time. It's just one of those things you have to get good at if you want to find any success in that match-up for instance.
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On April 27 2013 12:55 trifecta wrote:or BrainZerg (at least he's still coaching)
or hwasin ;(
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On April 27 2013 13:32 EpiK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 12:55 trifecta wrote:On April 27 2013 12:49 BisuDagger wrote:I would almost like STX, but they don't have Kal or BrainZerg (at least he's still coaching) or hwasin ;(
I don't miss the Red Sniper though. X-x
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lol I didn't know widow mines can't detect dts.
nice defense
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Wow, what a bad time to pause...
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lol I thought he was GGing
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noooooo a pause in CJ domination D:
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might have lost those sentries because of keybaord error or w/e. Luckily with the replay function they can rewind to the point where his keybaord fucked up/.
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On the bright side we're no longer seeing D/Qs because of not following their old etiquette.
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Hmm, built-in countdown doesn't work on these maps or something?
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interesting going a lot of mines against protoss, against all these zealots it should be good but they need to get good hits off
not really impressed with the widow mines, need drilling claws a lot earlier
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Poll: Recommend Dear vs Bbyong R4?No (9) 69% Yes (3) 23% If you have time (1) 8% 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Bbyong R4? (Vote): Yes
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Bbyong just refuses to micro wtf
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What the fuck ? He was not supposed to win after the DT start spotted ?
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what's with the no micro? Oo;
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Yeah that terran just like, "I refuse to multitask"
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really cool to see bio mines vs protoss but Bbyong... =(
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Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
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Wow 3 of my fantasy players have played and 3 have won, not too bad of a start.
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Looks like we'll be seeing PvP's on this map from now on...
Sad
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that Bisu montage makes me feel like hes about to retire
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what the hell is going on? bisu is not going to retire right?
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did bisu retire? what is this?
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On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine.
However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army.
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What happens to Bisu? What's about these scenes?
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On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army.
Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P.
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wow I think this is the first time I see someone brute force through FFE build
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Wow. This game is interestingly boring. GG.
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On April 27 2013 14:12 architecture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army. Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P.
Well, I was saying that it's only 1:1 at WORST. And actually trading 1:1 should be fine since terrans usually have greater econ.
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GAH, why not build a single Oracle? Would have saved him the game.
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On April 27 2013 14:04 duyhotan2000 wrote:
What happens to Bisu? What's about these scenes?
I still want to know
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On April 27 2013 14:15 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:12 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army. Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P. Well, I was saying that it's only 1:1 at WORST. And actually trading 1:1 should be fine since terrans usually have greater econ.
Trading 1:1 vs zeals is not the problem T is trying to resolve late game.
Not to mention neither player has the greater econ late game. It's just 3 v 3. 70 vs 70 unless the map is big enough and the game long enough to allow SCV sac for CC's.
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On April 27 2013 13:28 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 13:19 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 13:11 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:05 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 13:04 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 13:01 TimENT wrote:On April 27 2013 12:57 StarStruck wrote:On April 27 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote:On April 27 2013 12:45 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 27 2013 12:44 TimENT wrote:
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Lmao no other player in the world can play at the level Innovation just played except Flash. But Innovation plays more impressive because he's spontaneous as fuck Yeah that was definitely not sloppy play. You don't normally see drops "unmicroed" like innovations because usually most players don't have 4 dropships out at once with another army simultaneously pushing out on the map. It's not hard to micro 1 army and 1 drop at the same time. exactly, the higher the level the greater the number of mistakes, it's as simple as this. I hope you realize what you said made no sense because of your wording. Because it could be read as the following, the higher the level of play the more likelihood we'll see mistakes which is flat-out wrong when in fact, the higher the level of play is contrary to that belief. As in one mistake can cost you the game. There were tons of botches in that game because of multitasking (which is what you meant and the other guy sort of said). Bogus and EffOrt alike found themselves in stupid situations throughout the entire game. With that said, Bogus is more than capable of handling two dropship groups at separate ends of the map and his main army at the same time. We've seen it before. It wasn't flawless but it got the job done. EffOrt's noose came very loose because Bogus kept him busy. Like any good Terran boi would do. I think you are REALLY downplaying the skill level Innovation is multitasking at. Downplaying? How am I downplaying when I say I've seen him do a better job with managing his army on three fronts? ._. Don't get me wrong. Happy EffOrt made it interesting and it was a good game, but I expect more from Bogus especially. Because it's wholly dependent on how your opponent is playing as well? If Innovation drops and there's no spore there he doesn't lose the drop. If effort isn't there already he can just stim and leave it. But if Effort responds to every drop within the first 5 seconds of it dropping, then it becomes exponentially harder to manage them. It's entirely dependent on opponent's ability to handle the drops. It's not like he's consistently cycling through all three drops every other second. All Zergs should be expecting the dropships and have their bases more secure. What have we seen? More sunkens/spores to act as buffers. Zerg players are more prepared than they were when MMA was doing his thing. Then it's just a case of running your lings to and from the locations as you see the red dots on the mini-map. Expecting them does not mean you can stop them. Insinuating that is absolutely silly. If you want to be a good Z v T you sort of have to. Heck, even Greg started to put down several sunkens and spores at his bases to help against the issue. It's sort of necessity. You have to be able to have some control over your base. What do you think a lot of the good zergs do (even if foreigner)? They're right on top of it most of the time. It's just one of those things you have to get good at if you want to find any success in that match-up for instance.
How is that relevant? Effort did make spines and spores and that's what innovation had to deal with. You can have spines and spores and still get your ass kicked by drops. They are not the end all of drops, especially when you can simply drop a few spaces to the right or left.
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On April 27 2013 14:20 architecture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:15 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 14:12 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army. Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P. Well, I was saying that it's only 1:1 at WORST. And actually trading 1:1 should be fine since terrans usually have greater econ. Trading 1:1 vs zeals is not the problem T is trying to resolve late game.
You're just being negative now, and not listening to the good points. Widow mines can be very effective vs toss, but obviously are not the solution to everything in lategame TvP.
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Do you think that we could have sound and translation of the review of the game by the player, or it's just a dream ?
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On April 27 2013 14:23 Fig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:20 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:15 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 14:12 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army. Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P. Well, I was saying that it's only 1:1 at WORST. And actually trading 1:1 should be fine since terrans usually have greater econ. Trading 1:1 vs zeals is not the problem T is trying to resolve late game. You're just being negative now, and not listening to the good points. Widow mines can be very effective vs toss, but obviously are not the solution to everything in lategame TvP.
Everything can be good at something. Yet not everything is good enough, or relevant to the task at hand.
I'm saying that mines are not relevant to the task of lategame TvP.
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go go Hydra, you're my fucking FPL captain and so far you've just won 1 single one you @#$@%&
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Drone scout helps Hydra alot
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STX has been really weird today. Proxy DT, ling busting through FFE, and now 2rax
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On April 27 2013 14:27 architecture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 14:23 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 14:20 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:15 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 14:12 architecture wrote:On April 27 2013 14:04 Fig wrote:On April 27 2013 13:58 architecture wrote:
Can't see the mines being that great against toss. You need too many of them to trade against zeals, and it eats into the HP of your army, so you have even fewer and more flimsy bio.
well if you look at cost effectiveness, if a mine gets off one shot, it has paid for itself, since all of tosses combat units cost as much or more than a mine. Getting a single zealot with a mine before it dies is about an even trade, and getting a stalker is great since it costs about twice as much as a mine. However, having 2 more micro'd marines instead might be better in a lot of cases. Still, mines definitely have a place vs protoss, just maybe not in the main army. Trading 1:1 is not what T needs late game against P. Well, I was saying that it's only 1:1 at WORST. And actually trading 1:1 should be fine since terrans usually have greater econ. Trading 1:1 vs zeals is not the problem T is trying to resolve late game. You're just being negative now, and not listening to the good points. Widow mines can be very effective vs toss, but obviously are not the solution to everything in lategame TvP. Everything can be good at something. Yet not everything is good enough, or relevant to the task at hand. I'm saying that mines are not relevant to the task of lategame TvP.
That's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I'm just excited for when people start using them as something more than a supplement to their bioball, and develop actual strategies for them. They have so much untapped potential, just like the Oracle.
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2 raxes proxy, the best build ever....
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Poll: Recommend Last vs Hydra R4?No (6) 75% If you have time (2) 25% Yes (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Last vs Hydra R4? (Vote): Yes
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what is stx smoking? they're on a run!
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On April 27 2013 14:32 Arceus wrote:STX has been really weird today. Proxy DT, ling busting through FFE, and now 2rax
STCheese
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On April 27 2013 14:33 tuho12345 wrote:
2 raxes proxy, the best build ever....
I honestly can't believe why Hydra didn't just go for pool after seeing no rax in the main.
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damn my random STX pick for FPL has been great
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herO[jOin] broke Classic's streak.
Scoring:
STX +4
CJ -1
Bogus +4
herO[jOin] +4
Dear +4
hyvaa +4
Last +4
Trap +2
SonGDuri +1
all other STX players +1
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