On February 18 2013 17:37 iamahydralisk wrote: Good god PL needs new interviews and other break filler. I like the random player interviews but I can only see JD talk about his future wifey so many times before I want to rip my own face off.
At least we also get the refreshing taste of the HotS cinematic. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I disagree that a few of those names should be added into a "stacked" lineup, but it's pretty clear that they should be able to play alot better then this, all of em.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
The KeSPA players are no longer no-name players. They've started qualifying to Code A already, and even though there aren't all that many in Code A, they're showing that they are top level now. My logic: Soulkey, Roro, and Innovation are in GSL Code S RO8. And the other Proleague players beat them routinely. So I think all the KeSPA team aces are pretty up there in skill level and can take games off the best of them.
That being said, I really have disagreed with a lot of the coaching decisions for this season of Proleague. I think Hwanni had a really good coaching record in GSTL. I don't remember which team he came from (FXO?), but he didn't have as many stars as the other teams but they did really well. If it was FXO, they actually took two GSTL titles, or something. But the coach that EG hired was @EGtrotRC. Hwanni was brought on not for coaching, specifically.
TLDR: I wish Nazgul was coaching. Plus Hwanni, maybe
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
lol eg-tl is not nearly as stacked as you think... No need to talk down on the kespa players who shit all over esf players in proleague and have invaded the GSL as well.
On February 18 2013 17:42 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I hope they get another chance in HOTS they just have their eyes off the ball because of the dumb beta which shouldn't even be played hardcore anyway IMHO yet they are doing it. I mean HotS beta tournaments exist? Just jumping the shark a little. Loads of these Koreans playing WoL mostly still. In hots we will have a momentary advantage at least, watch EGTL improve then.
I hope you're right and some of this is due to the emphasis on HoTS.
On February 18 2013 17:37 iamahydralisk wrote: Good god PL needs new interviews and other break filler. I like the random player interviews but I can only see JD talk about his future wifey so many times before I want to rip my own face off.
At least we also get the refreshing taste of the HotS cinematic. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
What about that one 15-second sound bite played on repeat, with the volume randomly changing?
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I agree.
Something is really wrong with the management.
Having no name doesn't mean a thing. First of all I'd argue that KeSPa's training is more strict and that shows because time is used more efficient, secondly as mentioned before, you have to start somewhere. If you judge someone by not having a name yet, you might as well write off 80% of the Starcraft 2 players as plain bad. Rain had no name, had a good run, became a good player, now everyone knows him.
Taeja had no name to him from the start. Also, if you are from Broodwar, even though Starcraft 2 is a new game, there are people that have a name, it doesn't matter if you acknowledge them in Starcraft 2 yet. Here was a guy calling Flying bad, but Flying is learning quick, looked good in PL, recently beat Flash and today beat Jaedong, who is a very big name out there, even though not showing in Starcraft 2 yet.
People need to stop judging by 1 series, forgetting all history or stop judging at all. How good of a player someone is shows over time and a name doesn't make a good player, good play makes a good player.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I disagree that a few of those names should be added into a "stacked" lineup, but it's pretty clear that they should be able to play alot better then this, all of em.
well their better may not be better than other teams' better
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
The KeSPA players are no longer no-name players. They've started qualifying to Code A already, and even though there aren't all that many in Code A, they're showing that they are top level now. My logic: Soulkey, Roro, and Innovation are in GSL Code S RO8. And the other Proleague players beat them routinely. So I think all the KeSPA team aces are pretty up there in skill level and can take games off the best of them.
That being said, I really have disagreed with a lot of the coaching decisions for this season of Proleague. I think Hwanni had a really good coaching record in GSTL. I don't remember which team he came from (FXO?), but he didn't have as many stars as the other teams but they did really well. If it was FXO, they actually took two GSTL titles, or something. But the coach that EG hired was @EGtrotRC. Hwanni was brought on not for coaching, specifically.
TLDR: I wish Nazgul was coaching. Plus Hwanni, maybe
In addition to your statement about the KeSPa players in Code S Ro8, they all finished first in their group.
It's sad to see the once immortal Jaedong losing like that, but the romance with TaekBangLeeSsang has to stop. Jaedong, Bisu and Stork were close to nothing towards the end of BW (especially after 2010 where Jaedong and Stork both got beaten up bad by Flash / Fantasy).
I serious question whether those Kespa / BW / Elephant fanboys all switched to SC2 immediately after its release. True loyal BW followers knew that Fantasy > Flash, Jangbi > BIsu, Soulkey / Zero > Jaedong towards the end of BW.
When fans don't see TaekBangLeeSsang dominating in SC2 they instead vent their anger on the game itself with shit like "SC2 is too easy to show their potential!". To be honest I find Soulkey, Fantasy, and Jangbi doing better than TaekBangLeeSsang in SC2 makes more sense than the latter dominating in it.
The elephant in the room is true, it's just that people guessed the elephants wrong.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I agree.
Something is really wrong with the management.
I think managers can't do much, they can't do the same things KeSPA team coaches do.
I remember couple years ago, some rookie in STX lost the showmatch against Lx from China, coach kim shouted out to him like crazy in public with many audiences watching. That was brutal, like in military. I doubt EG-TL coaches can even ask players to focus on certain maps. They have no power over players, so players can just do whatever they want. It's relaxing, and players are happy because of no pressure.
http://evilgeniuses.net/about-evil-geniuses/ wrote: Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses (Team EG) have grown to become a leading new media agency which specializes in contracting pro gamers, executing online and offline broadcasts, and developing unique marketing initiatives aimed at attracting and influencing gamers worldwide.
Nowhere in there does it mention winning games
Pretty much, but most people don't even care whether they win or not, they'll still be EG fans. So long as they got that and their marketing power I guess winning doesn't matter? lol
On February 18 2013 17:42 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I hope they get another chance in HOTS they just have their eyes off the ball because of the dumb beta which shouldn't even be played hardcore anyway IMHO yet they are doing it. I mean HotS beta tournaments exist? Just jumping the shark a little. Loads of these Koreans playing WoL mostly still. In hots we will have a momentary advantage at least, watch EGTL improve then.
Well, MLG and IEM WC will be HoTS.
Currently for WoL, we have IPL, GSL and PL left but next season for GSL and next round for PL. So I think it might not be a bad time to start switching.
Weren't EG-TL the favourite to win it all according to TL's pro league preview? It's ok, I'm sure they'll win pro league team of the year in TL's year end awards.
Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
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