On February 18 2013 13:37 Inzan1ty wrote: Finally up..
Make or break for EGTL
Unfortunetly those arent optimal matchups at all
TaeJa > free JYP > ZerO HerO < sOs (sHy) Jaedong < Flying PuMa < Light Stephano < Soulkey
Woongjin takes it 4-2, EGTL will drop further
I saw your post in the other thread asking if someone would put it up a few hours ago and I wanted to make you wait it out
Wow so personal. LR is srs business.
haha I wasn't serious. I have a big lab project due tomorrow and I wasn't sure what time I would be finished so I didn't want to make the thread until I knew I'd be around for the games
Taeja and Zero are sure wins, if PUMA beats light, EG-TL will win this match. Light still isn't good. I always think PUMA will come around, and get his lucky turn. He's a good player.
EGTL are in big trouble here. They're playing the no contest best team in Proleague, Hero and Stephano have two mirror matches, their achilles heels, Stephano is paired against the guy that 4-0'd Life in GSL.
Their only hope really is that nothing in Proleague ever makes sense. I mean last round they beat Woongjin out of nowhere, so...
You're all wrong. Very wrong. Yes, it's the first-place team vs the last place team. Yes, the matchups could have worked out better. Yes, doom & gloom is popular on forums.
But EG-TL is going to win this match, mark my words.
EG-TL has been oddly successful vs. Woongjin before (unlike CJ, who routinely owns them for no apparent reason) - and despite being the last place team, they're still not doing as badly as you'd think. A few won games and they're darn near 50-50. More importantly - THEY"RE NOT PLAYING AT THE OGN STUDIO. Excepting Stephano, who does not get intimidated, EG-TL is severely disadvantaged at the OGN studio. They just mentally fall apart. Not a lot of heart on the team. But they do have a lot of skill. And they're not playing in the OGN studio. They're playing when they have something to prove. And they're playing a team they do oddly well against.
This has all the hallmarks of an upset & a reason for EG-TL fans to hope again (until they play in the OGN studio next week and get unceremoniously destroyed by whatever team they're facing).
P.S. Anyone have the link to the Korean stream. NaverTV or something like that?
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
On February 18 2013 14:28 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL are in big trouble here. They're playing the no contest best team in Proleague, Hero and Stephano have two mirror matches, their achilles heels, Stephano is paired against the guy that 4-0'd Life in GSL.
Their only hope really is that nothing in Proleague ever makes sense. I mean last round they beat Woongjin out of nowhere, so...
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
11:00 3rd base for free 2nd starport for TaeJa concussive shells for TaeJa +2 attack started for TaeJa 3 more gates for free viking production started for TaeJa
12:00 TaeJa looking to pressure at free's 3rd TaeJa moves up the ramp vs 2 colossus stalkers and sentries free is able to force a lift on the units after TaeJa takes out a few stalkers and the sentries Templar archives for free 3 colossi out for free
13:00 3 more rax for TaeJa zealot runby to TaeJa's 3rd is killed en route +2 armor finishes for free +2 armor started for TaeJa storm research started for free Charge on thew ay for free
14:00 3 more gates for free +1 ship weapons started for TaeJa +3 armor started for free ghost academy started for TaeJa TaeJa moving acros sthe map again
15:00 free putting proxy pylons around the map floating factory scouts the army of free between the natural and 3rd moebius reactor for TaeJa 4th CC for TaeJa +2 attack started for free after the 2nd forge finishes +3 attack on the way for TaeJa 5th CC started for TaeJa ghost production started for TaeJa
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
11:00 3rd base for free 2nd starport for TaeJa concussive shells for TaeJa +2 attack started for TaeJa 3 more gates for free viking production started for TaeJa
12:00 TaeJa looking to pressure at free's 3rd TaeJa moves up the ramp vs 2 colossus stalkers and sentries free is able to force a lift on the units after TaeJa takes out a few stalkers and the sentries Templar archives for free 3 colossi out for free
13:00 3 more rax for TaeJa zealot runby to TaeJa's 3rd is killed en route +2 armor finishes for free +2 armor started for TaeJa storm research started for free Charge on thew ay for free
14:00 3 more gates for free +1 ship weapons started for TaeJa +3 armor started for free ghost academy started for TaeJa TaeJa moving acros sthe map again
15:00 free putting proxy pylons around the map floating factory scouts the army of free between the natural and 3rd moebius reactor for TaeJa 4th CC for TaeJa +2 attack started for free after the 2nd forge finishes +3 attack on the way for TaeJa 5th CC started for TaeJa ghost production started for TaeJa
16:00 4th base started for free TaeJa backs off to his side of the map free moves out to the middle of the map 4 colossi 6 HTs vs 5 ghosts 10 vikings
17:00 +3 armor started for TaeJa +1 plasma shields started for free both players are maxed TaeJa floating out his 4th CC to the 9 o clock base some snipes hit the HTs killing 2 11 ghosts out for TaeJa now
18:00 zealot runby at the 4th of TaeJa is killed free moving towards the 3rd of TaeJa +3 attack started for free cloak for ghosts finishes for TaeJa PF morphing at TaeJa's 4th free decides not to attack because TaeJa is in position to defend +2 ship weapons started for TaeJa
19:00 free has no observers with his army ghosts cloak and move forward and start sniping high templars an observer shows up with the army and TaeJa backs off free sends a ton of his zealots to TaeJa's natural
20:00 TaeJa attacks the 4th of free vikings get stormed but they still live with very low health zealots are breaking intot he main of TaeJa 4th base of free is killed taeJa is moving back home scvs are blocking zealots on hold position to help the marines free restarts his 4th and it's killed by a small marauder group
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
11:00 3rd base for free 2nd starport for TaeJa concussive shells for TaeJa +2 attack started for TaeJa 3 more gates for free viking production started for TaeJa
12:00 TaeJa looking to pressure at free's 3rd TaeJa moves up the ramp vs 2 colossus stalkers and sentries free is able to force a lift on the units after TaeJa takes out a few stalkers and the sentries Templar archives for free 3 colossi out for free
13:00 3 more rax for TaeJa zealot runby to TaeJa's 3rd is killed en route +2 armor finishes for free +2 armor started for TaeJa storm research started for free Charge on thew ay for free
14:00 3 more gates for free +1 ship weapons started for TaeJa +3 armor started for free ghost academy started for TaeJa TaeJa moving acros sthe map again
15:00 free putting proxy pylons around the map floating factory scouts the army of free between the natural and 3rd moebius reactor for TaeJa 4th CC for TaeJa +2 attack started for free after the 2nd forge finishes +3 attack on the way for TaeJa 5th CC started for TaeJa ghost production started for TaeJa
16:00 4th base started for free TaeJa backs off to his side of the map free moves out to the middle of the map 4 colossi 6 HTs vs 5 ghosts 10 vikings
17:00 +3 armor started for TaeJa +1 plasma shields started for free both players are maxed TaeJa floating out his 4th CC to the 9 o clock base some snipes hit the HTs killing 2 11 ghosts out for TaeJa now
18:00 zealot runby at the 4th of TaeJa is killed free moving towards the 3rd of TaeJa +3 attack started for free cloak for ghosts finishes for TaeJa PF morphing at TaeJa's 4th free decides not to attack because TaeJa is in position to defend +2 ship weapons started for TaeJa
19:00 free has no observers with his army ghosts cloak and move forward and start sniping high templars an observer shows up with the army and TaeJa backs off free sends a ton of his zealots to TaeJa's natural
20:00 TaeJa attacks the 4th of free vikings get stormed but they still live with very low health zealots are breaking intot he main of TaeJa 4th base of free is killed taeJa is moving back home scvs are blocking zealots on hold position to help the marines free restarts his 4th and it's killed by a small marauder group
21:00 5 colosis and 8 HTs vs 11 vikings 10 ghosts +2 plasma shields finishes for free 2 more CCs started for TaeJa
22:00 5th base of free is denied from starting by a marine zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa TaeJa loses a building CC TaeJa loses another OC main armies engage briefly emp hits the army of free
23:00 some HTs are sniped and storms hit the army of taeJa the armies start the major fight the vikings target downt he colossi the templars are late to the fight storms all over TaeJa's army both players drop dramatically in supply
24:00 TaeJa lands his vikings to help clean up free's army bunker at the 3rd kills the zealots +3 ship weapons on thew ay for TaeJa +3 plasma shields on the way for free building armor finishes for TaeJa 5th base finishes for free free is ahead by 10 supply TaeJa pushes into the 4th of free but has to back up because of archons and cannons
25:00 TaeJa is downt o 23 scvs TaeJa is chipping away at the 4th of free 4th base is killed by marauders free transfers the probes over to his 5th
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
11:00 3rd base for free 2nd starport for TaeJa concussive shells for TaeJa +2 attack started for TaeJa 3 more gates for free viking production started for TaeJa
12:00 TaeJa looking to pressure at free's 3rd TaeJa moves up the ramp vs 2 colossus stalkers and sentries free is able to force a lift on the units after TaeJa takes out a few stalkers and the sentries Templar archives for free 3 colossi out for free
13:00 3 more rax for TaeJa zealot runby to TaeJa's 3rd is killed en route +2 armor finishes for free +2 armor started for TaeJa storm research started for free Charge on thew ay for free
14:00 3 more gates for free +1 ship weapons started for TaeJa +3 armor started for free ghost academy started for TaeJa TaeJa moving acros sthe map again
15:00 free putting proxy pylons around the map floating factory scouts the army of free between the natural and 3rd moebius reactor for TaeJa 4th CC for TaeJa +2 attack started for free after the 2nd forge finishes +3 attack on the way for TaeJa 5th CC started for TaeJa ghost production started for TaeJa
16:00 4th base started for free TaeJa backs off to his side of the map free moves out to the middle of the map 4 colossi 6 HTs vs 5 ghosts 10 vikings
17:00 +3 armor started for TaeJa +1 plasma shields started for free both players are maxed TaeJa floating out his 4th CC to the 9 o clock base some snipes hit the HTs killing 2 11 ghosts out for TaeJa now
18:00 zealot runby at the 4th of TaeJa is killed free moving towards the 3rd of TaeJa +3 attack started for free cloak for ghosts finishes for TaeJa PF morphing at TaeJa's 4th free decides not to attack because TaeJa is in position to defend +2 ship weapons started for TaeJa
19:00 free has no observers with his army ghosts cloak and move forward and start sniping high templars an observer shows up with the army and TaeJa backs off free sends a ton of his zealots to TaeJa's natural
20:00 TaeJa attacks the 4th of free vikings get stormed but they still live with very low health zealots are breaking intot he main of TaeJa 4th base of free is killed taeJa is moving back home scvs are blocking zealots on hold position to help the marines free restarts his 4th and it's killed by a small marauder group
21:00 5 colosis and 8 HTs vs 11 vikings 10 ghosts +2 plasma shields finishes for free 2 more CCs started for TaeJa
22:00 5th base of free is denied from starting by a marine zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa TaeJa loses a building CC TaeJa loses another OC main armies engage briefly emp hits the army of free
23:00 some HTs are sniped and storms hit the army of taeJa the armies start the major fight the vikings target downt he colossi the templars are late to the fight storms all over TaeJa's army both players drop dramatically in supply
24:00 TaeJa lands his vikings to help clean up free's army bunker at the 3rd kills the zealots +3 ship weapons on thew ay for TaeJa +3 plasma shields on the way for free building armor finishes for TaeJa 5th base finishes for free free is ahead by 10 supply TaeJa pushes into the 4th of free but has to back up because of archons and cannons
25:00 TaeJa is downt o 23 scvs TaeJa is chipping away at the 4th of free 4th base is killed by marauders free transfers the probes over to his 5th
26:00 taeJa moves over to the 5th of free free sends his army down to defend his 5th 2 more colossi are out TaeJa only has 4 vikings left storm on the army of TaeJa TaeJa is barely able to defeat the main army of free but he's down 30 supply now zealot reinforcements force a lift on TaeJa's units emp hits 3 more HTs
27:00 TaeJa kills a bunch of zealots and an archon making the supply gap closer 2 more colossi are out for free taeJa pushes the 5th of free again TaeJa has 1 viking left free doesnt have much support for his colossi but he has enough
28:00 free is able to kill off TaeJa's mostly marine army the medivacs of TaeJa are all killed free is 50 supply ahead
29:00 free gets a 3rd colossus out TaeJa trying to rebuild his medivac count TaeJa floating out his main OC to take another base free is ahead by 68 supply
30:00 another nexus started for free at the bottom right location free moving towards the 4th of TaeJa TaeJa moves behind his PF
losing those orbitals to zealots after sacrificing scvs cost him the game. He was too busy controlling his army and lost those 2 OCs, leaving him with no economy, so weird
I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 1: 0-0 TaeJa vs free Map: Cloud Kingdom
0:00 TaeJa spawns in the bottom left free spawns in the top right
1:40 rax first for TaeJa gateway first for free
2:00 gas for free Cybernetics core for free
3:00 zealot for free CC on the low ground for TaeJa stalker for free bunker in the natural for TaeJa
4:00 free sends his first zealot across the map to scout Nexus for free zealot scouts the CC on the low ground 2 more rax for TaeJa 2nd gas for free sentry for free
5:00 double gas for TaeJa 2 more gates for free tech lab for TaeJa scv scout sees everythign in the main of free Robo for free and is scouted by TaeJa
6:00 stim research started for TaeJa 2 more gas for free
7:00 observer first from the robo for free 2nd observer for free forge for free factory for TaeJa +1 armor for free engineering bay finishes for TaeJa - +1 attack started 3rd gas for TaeJa
8:00 Starport for TaeJa Robotics bay for free marauder production started for TaeJa 3rd observer for free 4th ags for TaeJa TaeJa moving out with a bio force free sees the bio army with a zealot on the watch tower
9:00 double medivac production started for TaeJa 3rd CC started for TaeJa combat shields started for TaeJa colossus production started for free TaeJa breaking down the rocks at free's natural ramp free chases TaeJa's army back 2 more rax for TaeJa twilight council for free Extended thermal lance research for free +1 attack for free
10:00 +1 armor for TaeJa observer scouts 3rd CC 2nd Colossus coming out for free blink research startedf or free free comes down his natural ramp and forcefields a bunch of TaeJa's marines TaeJa's bio force is too strong and free is forced back up his ramp armory for TaeJa 2nd ebay for TaeJa zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa
11:00 3rd base for free 2nd starport for TaeJa concussive shells for TaeJa +2 attack started for TaeJa 3 more gates for free viking production started for TaeJa
12:00 TaeJa looking to pressure at free's 3rd TaeJa moves up the ramp vs 2 colossus stalkers and sentries free is able to force a lift on the units after TaeJa takes out a few stalkers and the sentries Templar archives for free 3 colossi out for free
13:00 3 more rax for TaeJa zealot runby to TaeJa's 3rd is killed en route +2 armor finishes for free +2 armor started for TaeJa storm research started for free Charge on thew ay for free
14:00 3 more gates for free +1 ship weapons started for TaeJa +3 armor started for free ghost academy started for TaeJa TaeJa moving acros sthe map again
15:00 free putting proxy pylons around the map floating factory scouts the army of free between the natural and 3rd moebius reactor for TaeJa 4th CC for TaeJa +2 attack started for free after the 2nd forge finishes +3 attack on the way for TaeJa 5th CC started for TaeJa ghost production started for TaeJa
16:00 4th base started for free TaeJa backs off to his side of the map free moves out to the middle of the map 4 colossi 6 HTs vs 5 ghosts 10 vikings
17:00 +3 armor started for TaeJa +1 plasma shields started for free both players are maxed TaeJa floating out his 4th CC to the 9 o clock base some snipes hit the HTs killing 2 11 ghosts out for TaeJa now
18:00 zealot runby at the 4th of TaeJa is killed free moving towards the 3rd of TaeJa +3 attack started for free cloak for ghosts finishes for TaeJa PF morphing at TaeJa's 4th free decides not to attack because TaeJa is in position to defend +2 ship weapons started for TaeJa
19:00 free has no observers with his army ghosts cloak and move forward and start sniping high templars an observer shows up with the army and TaeJa backs off free sends a ton of his zealots to TaeJa's natural
20:00 TaeJa attacks the 4th of free vikings get stormed but they still live with very low health zealots are breaking intot he main of TaeJa 4th base of free is killed taeJa is moving back home scvs are blocking zealots on hold position to help the marines free restarts his 4th and it's killed by a small marauder group
21:00 5 colosis and 8 HTs vs 11 vikings 10 ghosts +2 plasma shields finishes for free 2 more CCs started for TaeJa
22:00 5th base of free is denied from starting by a marine zealot runby at the 3rd of TaeJa TaeJa loses a building CC TaeJa loses another OC main armies engage briefly emp hits the army of free
23:00 some HTs are sniped and storms hit the army of taeJa the armies start the major fight the vikings target downt he colossi the templars are late to the fight storms all over TaeJa's army both players drop dramatically in supply
24:00 TaeJa lands his vikings to help clean up free's army bunker at the 3rd kills the zealots +3 ship weapons on thew ay for TaeJa +3 plasma shields on the way for free building armor finishes for TaeJa 5th base finishes for free free is ahead by 10 supply TaeJa pushes into the 4th of free but has to back up because of archons and cannons
25:00 TaeJa is downt o 23 scvs TaeJa is chipping away at the 4th of free 4th base is killed by marauders free transfers the probes over to his 5th
26:00 taeJa moves over to the 5th of free free sends his army down to defend his 5th 2 more colossi are out TaeJa only has 4 vikings left storm on the army of TaeJa TaeJa is barely able to defeat the main army of free but he's down 30 supply now zealot reinforcements force a lift on TaeJa's units emp hits 3 more HTs
27:00 TaeJa kills a bunch of zealots and an archon making the supply gap closer 2 more colossi are out for free taeJa pushes the 5th of free again TaeJa has 1 viking left free doesnt have much support for his colossi but he has enough
28:00 free is able to kill off TaeJa's mostly marine army the medivacs of TaeJa are all killed free is 50 supply ahead
29:00 free gets a 3rd colossus out TaeJa trying to rebuild his medivac count TaeJa floating out his main OC to take another base free is ahead by 68 supply
30:00 another nexus started for free at the bottom right location free moving towards the 4th of TaeJa TaeJa moves behind his PF
31:00 free groups up his army 80 supply ahead engagement at the PF of TaeJa storm on the mineral line and marines 1 colossus falls the PF is killed zealots and colossi clean up the army of TaeJa TaeJa ggs! free wins game 1 for Woongjin Stars!
I feel Taeja's macro/multi-tasking broke down in the mid-point of that game and that's why he lost? Around that time he made those extra CC's and then lost them to zealots (I think he was able to lift most of them in time, but didn't).
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
More like Taeja losing most of his workers and 2 orbitals to zealots
On February 18 2013 15:32 nmetasch wrote: Its not that his wrists arent 100%, its that he hasnt practiced well because of his wrists -_-
lol excuses to the max. If his wrist were that bad, he wouldn't have made it to the ro8 of the GSL. Btw, try dodging 5-6 concurrent storms. It's practically impossible.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
More like Taeja losing most of his workers and 2 orbitals to zealots
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
More like Taeja losing most of his workers and 2 orbitals to zealots
Because he was in a full army engagement with free. In TvP, you absolutely cannot afford to miss one beat or your army disappears - you have to emp/snipe the templar, you have to avoid getting the ghosts sniped by colossi, you have to focus the colossi with vikings, you have to stim and stutter step bio. Kill the enemy's army and look away for a moment to deal with the zealots at home? You have 4 templar obliterating 70% of Taeja's army.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Did he really?
He figuratively literally did it.
Literally referring to "literally...one engagement." It was unclear in just text, intonation would have emphasized the "one" part if I was speaking, sorry didn't come across clearly in post.
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Damn I hate the cameraman when he's doing this shit. Stop filming more than 5 sec at ppl when they're not comfortable. What the fuck are you trolling? So awkward.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Did he really?
He figuratively literally did it.
Literally referring to "literally...one engagement." It was unclear in just text, intonation would have emphasized the "one" part if I was speaking, sorry didn't come across clearly in post.
The point being he didn't "literally" eat storms, that's an incorrect use of the adverb "literally."
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Did he really?
He figuratively literally did it.
Literally referring to "literally...one engagement." It was unclear in just text, intonation would have emphasized the "one" part if I was speaking, sorry didn't come across clearly in post.
'ate storms in literally one engagement' then, easy fix
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Man.. he just didn't move there. Not even tried to do something.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Man.. he just didn't move there. Not even tried to do something.
When there are too many storms, the best thing to do is don't move. If you move for one second, no dps at all. Don't move will give you some dps output.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
It's like people stopping to watch at a car crash. You know it's a wreck but you still gotta post, I mean look.
Great game, it was very close. Taeja had the upper hand at points but not dodging storms in the big engagement and not rebuilding his economy after zealot runbys ultimately cost him the game.
Everyone's saying it's his wrists but they showed Taeja at 534 apm at one point, so I dunno.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Did he really?
He figuratively literally did it.
Literally referring to "literally...one engagement." It was unclear in just text, intonation would have emphasized the "one" part if I was speaking, sorry didn't come across clearly in post.
'ate storms in literally one engagement' then, easy fix
I know, edits just feel pointless in a LR thread when posts just come in and people usually don't have time to read entire thread, lol
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level?
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Can you stop talking about this ? Nobody wants to hear your ramblings !
@vthree : Don't start that talk as well. You should know better.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
It's like people stopping to watch at a car crash. You know it's a wreck but you still gotta post, I mean look.
xD Yeah, vthree acts like an obsessive parent who monitors everything their child does. Get off my back vthree. The results speak for themselves.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Can you stop talking about this ? Nobody wants to hear your ramblings !
@vthree : Don't start that talk as well. You should know better.
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Man.. he just didn't move there. Not even tried to do something.
When there are too many storms, the best thing to do is don't move. If you move for one second, no dps at all. Don't move will give you some dps output.
Yeah.. let's just don't move so we become a better clumped target praying that the storms won't hurt so much. (=
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Can you stop talking about this ? Nobody wants to hear your ramblings !
@vthree : Don't start that talk as well. You should know better.
I'm not rambling! I'm just fairy telling
I don't care how you consider yourself, just stop.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Man.. he just didn't move there. Not even tried to do something.
When there are too many storms, the best thing to do is don't move. If you move for one second, no dps at all. Don't move will give you some dps output.
Yeah.. let's just don't move so we become a better clumped target praying that the storms won't hurt so much. (=
What you said is a different micro, which happens before storms.
On February 18 2013 15:31 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I love how people are saying that Taeja's micro was horrid...he literally ate storms in one engagement. All his EMPs were spot on otherwise, nailing all archons, hitting multiple clumps of high templar. But all it takes is one set of storms from free
Did he really?
He figuratively literally did it.
Literally referring to "literally...one engagement." It was unclear in just text, intonation would have emphasized the "one" part if I was speaking, sorry didn't come across clearly in post.
The point being he didn't "literally" eat storms, that's an incorrect use of the adverb "literally."
The point being that I was referring to him literally losing in one engagement, not that he literally did a term of art in SC2. Like I said, vocally intonation would have made that clear, we're not kids here, we know that modifiers don't necessarily have to sit directly next to the modified, it just ended up unclear because I wasn't thinking of how it would be framed solely as text.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
You mentioned 1 of 4 Kespa players in the GSL ro8. Nice try sonny!
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
On February 18 2013 15:39 GWdeathscythe wrote: Taeja was really trying to lose there... lost 3 or 4 OC to zealots, really? just pay attention and LIFT!!!!!!!!!! Another thing is that he needed to fall back after kill the 4th, He was just over agressive and lost all the army. Oh I almost forgot.. Dodge the daaamn storms, he seriously took 100% dmg from every storm there.
You try dodging a billion storms that happen in like 5 seconds~
Man.. he just didn't move there. Not even tried to do something.
When there are too many storms, the best thing to do is don't move. If you move for one second, no dps at all. Don't move will give you some dps output.
Yeah.. let's just don't move so we become a better clumped target praying that the storms won't hurt so much. (=
Once the storm has been cast, damage is done. Units don't move fast enough to get out, and stimming them is worse because the HP hit offsets the time gained and your units end up dying faster anyways. No way to deal with a storm after it's been cast - there's a reason why you never hear casters say "OMG BEAUTIFUL ESCAPE FROM THE STORM," only "BEAUTIFUL STORM DODGE" which means they avoided getting hit by it in the first place.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
I dont think u needed to quote me to write that. Im just gonna ignore your bullshit anyway,so why dont you just leave me alone?
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
Why are you always bringing up eSF v. Kespa? Please stop, its extremely annoying. I'd rather see a bunch of balance whine.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
You forgot to call him sonny. But putting a smiley face was a nice touch
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
I dont think u needed to quote me to write that. Im just gonna ignore your bullshit anyway,so why dont you just leave me alone?
You stop ignoring somebodies "bullshit" the moment you decide to write their name in a forum. Keep my name off your screen and keep it moving. The moment you bring my name up, you become an easy target and I won't leave you alone.
On February 18 2013 15:35 bsdaemon wrote: What happened to Capt. Taeja
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
You forgot to call him sonny. But putting a smiley face was a nice touch
On February 18 2013 15:37 BlazeFury01 wrote: [quote]
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
You forgot to call him sonny. But putting a smiley face was a nice touch
On February 18 2013 15:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL so much better in Sindorim than Yongsan O_o
freaking second place, really weird
think we got another excuse...
I think it's just an oddity. I don't really care if they win or lose. They clearly are not performing well proleague at this point and have been getting outplayed in each of their losses. It could just be the order of opponents. If that's true we'll probably see it level out by the end of the season
On February 18 2013 15:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL so much better in Sindorim than Yongsan O_o
freaking second place, really weird
think we got another excuse...
I think it's just an oddity. I don't really care if they win or lose. They clearly are not performing welling proleague at this point and have been getting outplayed in each of their losses. It could just be the order of opponents. If that's true we'll probably see it level out by the end of the season
Yeah. But let's not be desperate. Aside from WJS, all teams had their up and downs. Even the terrible Samsung Khan players can still win some game as long as they can get RorO to win the ace match. All it takes is 3 players including the ace.
On February 18 2013 15:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL so much better in Sindorim than Yongsan O_o
freaking second place, really weird
think we got another excuse...
I think it's just an oddity. I don't really care if they win or lose. They clearly are not performing welling proleague at this point and have been getting outplayed in each of their losses. It could just be the order of opponents. If that's true we'll probably see it level out by the end of the season
Yeah. But let's not be desperate. Aside from WJS, all teams had their up and downs. Even the terrible Samsung Khan players can still win some game as long as they can get RorO to win the ace match. All it takes is 3 players including the ace.
Constantly amazed at the technical problems these broadcasts have. I've never had a problem playing SC2. Yes you've got added complications (different keyboards, mice) and higher stakes (players will pause for smaller reasons - their career could be at stake), but even then, the frequency of these failures is too high (yes GSL too). You'd think having a dedicated staff and money for good setups would offset these other factors.
On February 18 2013 16:03 Tsubbi wrote: damn why is stephano vs soulkey last, now i just hope we get to the game cuz its gonna be siick
I'd be surprised if we got that far unfortunately
On February 18 2013 16:04 Canucklehead wrote: I left after the taeja game ended and come back to game 2 just starting? Was there some delay or is it normal to have a 25 min break b/w games?
On February 18 2013 16:03 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Constantly amazed at the technical problems these broadcasts have. I've never had a problem playing SC2. Yes you've got added complications (different keyboards, mice) and higher stakes (players will pause for smaller reasons - their career could be at stake), but even then, the frequency of these failures is too high (yes GSL too). You'd think having a dedicated staff and money for good setups would offset these other factors.
Good setups won't stop certain things not working.
Also a lot of players aren't that great with computers and probably don't realize why x isn't working or something.
In short no matter how good of a computer you have there would still be these issues where they are putting in many different keyboards a day.
On February 18 2013 15:51 Shellshock1122 wrote: EG-TL so much better in Sindorim than Yongsan O_o
freaking second place, really weird
think we got another excuse...
I think it's just an oddity. I don't really care if they win or lose. They clearly are not performing welling proleague at this point and have been getting outplayed in each of their losses. It could just be the order of opponents. If that's true we'll probably see it level out by the end of the season
Yeah. But let's not be desperate. Aside from WJS, all teams had their up and downs. Even the terrible Samsung Khan players can still win some game as long as they can get RorO to win the ace match. All it takes is 3 players including the ace.
On February 18 2013 15:37 BlazeFury01 wrote: [quote]
He's playing a different caliber of players. He still wins vs non-Kespa but loses to Kespa players in both Pro League and GSL.
Are you really going to start this again?
You must love waiting for what I say next. It's like you lust after me or something, so strange. You don't post anything in the thread, but seem to wait until I write something, just so you can quote it.
Maybe because 90% of your posts are trying to say Kespa players are superior?
Maybe because I've actually played BW and I know the amount of skill required to play at the highest level? Also, I don't even need to speak -- the results are starting to prove my claim. Look at GSL Ro8, Look at Code A, look at the constant string of losses EG-TL is facing in pro league. Also, your percentage is invalid. Try again, sonny!
Hey you can probably catch the VOD after the stream is over since you apparently weren't watching during the game
Just because Bogus is sick good doesn't mean Free is a "different caliber of player" from Taeja.
I give zero shit about who that blazefury guy is but he always seems to be the one who tries to stir up nonkespa vs kespa argument all again, i normally try to ignore fanatical broodwar fanboys(I have been a broodwar player and fan) but that guy just never seems to stop on LR threads. Just ignore him, enjoy the matches. since 2002 )
Thanks! And I give zero shits about your opinion. It's not like it's beneficial to either of us. So keep it to yourself
I dont think u needed to quote me to write that. Im just gonna ignore your bullshit anyway,so why dont you just leave me alone?
You stop ignoring somebodies "bullshit" the moment you decide to write their name in a forum. Keep my name off your screen and keep it moving. The moment you bring my name up, you become an easy target and I won't leave you alone.
if theres one thing i did, it was mentioning your id because you actually were the one who tried to start non kespa vs kespa and i was merely telling the guy(bsdaemon) about what you have been doing.
edit: ouch blazefury, great job. I know youre reading this, enjoy your ban bro
I just realized: We saw Khaldor talking to Hwanni earlier at the Sindorim studio. He's got GSTL to cast in 2 hours. Guess he'll have to head back soon and not see the end of this live.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 2: 0-1 JYP vs ZerO Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 JYP spawns in the top left ZerO spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for ZerO Nexus first for JYP forge for JYP probe blocks the natural hatch twice before it finally goes down
3:00 gateway for JYP cannon for JYP 3rd base for ZerO
4:00 JYP scouts the 3rd double gas for JYP Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
5:00 3rd gas for JYP double gas for ZerO stalker for JYP +1 attack for JYP
6:00 stargate for JYP Lair for ZerO
7:00 Robo for JYP 2 more gas for ZerO ling speed for ZerO void ray first for JYP evo chamber for ZerO
8:00 +1 armor for JYP Hydralisk den for ZerO observer for JYP phoenix production startedf or JYP spores for ZerO
9:00 Void ray and zealots harassing at the 3rd of ZerO Hydra range started for ZerO 4 more gates for JYP immortal production started for JYP +1 range attack started for ZerO Twilight council for JYP
10:00 Hydras coming out for JYP Void ray scouts the first hydras and barely escapes Robotics bay started for JYP another gate for JYP Spire for ZerO +2 attack started for JYP phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of ZerO
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 2: 0-1 JYP vs ZerO Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 JYP spawns in the top left ZerO spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for ZerO Nexus first for JYP forge for JYP probe blocks the natural hatch twice before it finally goes down
3:00 gateway for JYP cannon for JYP 3rd base for ZerO
4:00 JYP scouts the 3rd double gas for JYP Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
5:00 3rd gas for JYP double gas for ZerO stalker for JYP +1 attack for JYP
6:00 stargate for JYP Lair for ZerO
7:00 Robo for JYP 2 more gas for ZerO ling speed for ZerO void ray first for JYP evo chamber for ZerO
8:00 +1 armor for JYP Hydralisk den for ZerO observer for JYP phoenix production startedf or JYP spores for ZerO
9:00 Void ray and zealots harassing at the 3rd of ZerO Hydra range started for ZerO 4 more gates for JYP immortal production started for JYP +1 range attack started for ZerO Twilight council for JYP
10:00 Hydras coming out for JYP Void ray scouts the first hydras and barely escapes Robotics bay started for JYP another gate for JYP Spire for ZerO +2 attack started for JYP phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of ZerO
11:00 ZerO moving his hydras across the map Hydras are split betweent he 2 ramps at the natural Colossus production started for JYP Roach warren for ZerO 4th base for ZerO
12:00 Roaches are breaking up the natural ramp Hydras are looking to kil lthe cybernetics core JYP is able to hold the hydra attack first colossus is out for JYP +1 flier attack started for ZerO 3rd base started for JYP 8 mutas started for ZerO Blink research startedf or JYP
13:00 macro hatch for ZerO ZerO kills the forge before +2 attack finishes ling runby at teh 3rd of JYP forge restarted for JYP JYP warping in zealots and making immortals mutas fly into the natural of JYP JYP only has 2 stalkers and a few sentries
14:00 mutas kill the colossus JYP saves the 3rd nexus more mutas coming out +1 melee started for ZerO mutas fly back into the natural of JYP
15:00 another ling muta attack at the natural targets down the cybernetics core and backs off more mutas being made ZerO is 40 supply up Cybernetics core restartedf or JYP muta ling attack at the 3rd of JYP +2 flier attack started for ZerO
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 2: 0-1 JYP vs ZerO Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 JYP spawns in the top left ZerO spawns in the bottom right
2:00 pool first for ZerO Nexus first for JYP forge for JYP probe blocks the natural hatch twice before it finally goes down
3:00 gateway for JYP cannon for JYP 3rd base for ZerO
4:00 JYP scouts the 3rd double gas for JYP Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
5:00 3rd gas for JYP double gas for ZerO stalker for JYP +1 attack for JYP
6:00 stargate for JYP Lair for ZerO
7:00 Robo for JYP 2 more gas for ZerO ling speed for ZerO void ray first for JYP evo chamber for ZerO
8:00 +1 armor for JYP Hydralisk den for ZerO observer for JYP phoenix production startedf or JYP spores for ZerO
9:00 Void ray and zealots harassing at the 3rd of ZerO Hydra range started for ZerO 4 more gates for JYP immortal production started for JYP +1 range attack started for ZerO Twilight council for JYP
10:00 Hydras coming out for JYP Void ray scouts the first hydras and barely escapes Robotics bay started for JYP another gate for JYP Spire for ZerO +2 attack started for JYP phoenixes kill the queen at the 3rd of ZerO
11:00 ZerO moving his hydras across the map Hydras are split betweent he 2 ramps at the natural Colossus production started for JYP Roach warren for ZerO 4th base for ZerO
12:00 Roaches are breaking up the natural ramp Hydras are looking to kil lthe cybernetics core JYP is able to hold the hydra attack first colossus is out for JYP +1 flier attack started for ZerO 3rd base started for JYP 8 mutas started for ZerO Blink research startedf or JYP
13:00 macro hatch for ZerO ZerO kills the forge before +2 attack finishes ling runby at teh 3rd of JYP forge restarted for JYP JYP warping in zealots and making immortals mutas fly into the natural of JYP JYP only has 2 stalkers and a few sentries
14:00 mutas kill the colossus JYP saves the 3rd nexus more mutas coming out +1 melee started for ZerO mutas fly back into the natural of JYP
15:00 another ling muta attack at the natural targets down the cybernetics core and backs off more mutas being made ZerO is 40 supply up Cybernetics core restartedf or JYP muta ling attack at the 3rd of JYP +2 flier attack started for ZerO
16:00 +2 attack started for JYP mutas fly into the main and kill a few more probes ZerO is 90 supply ahead mutas harassing the 3rd ling muta attack in the natural at the same time 3rd base of JYP is killed
17:00 JYP barely saves his natural nexus for now mutas harassing the main and the remnants of the 3rd lings kill 2 more immortals
18:00 100 supply lead for ZerO now 26 mutas out for ZerO still ling muta attack into the main and natural of JYP natural nexus of JYP is killed lings target fire the main nexus JYP ggs! ZerO wins and puts Woongjin Stars ahead 2-0!
Once again, ZerO playing well but I have to say that it looks so brilliant because everything worked out for him. He cannot lose that game so he can basically do whatever he wants. Still very refreshing style to watch
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:17 edgeOut wrote: HerO can win, and Flying is bad, EG-TL can still win.
Flying has a below 50% record and PvT and recently won against Flash. Sometimes stats don't mean everything, besides that, calling a player on that level bad is beyond dumb. Every player there is perfectly capable of winning.
On February 18 2013 16:11 Tachion wrote: This build is so freakin cool. Props to Life for coming up with a great new build this late in WoL.
I don't think this build is 'new' as much as that it is based around the current ZvP meta. We used to see a lot more of +1 zealot pressure from P and I think this build would have trouble against that. But the current meta is sentry/immortal or stargate which this build counters.
Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
On February 18 2013 16:18 EleanorRIgby wrote: damn i really wanna see light play but i dunno if thats gonna happen
Flying seems to be doing a lot better in proleague lately. Before I would have given that as EGTL's best chance even with Jaedong's ZvP. However Flying has looked good and I'm pissed I traded him away in FPL (probably why he's doing better TT)
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: err what's the Viper attack where they can pick up enemy units?... Anyway, the animation needs some work, looks quite goofy atm :S
On February 18 2013 16:18 EleanorRIgby wrote: damn i really wanna see light play but i dunno if thats gonna happen
I give it about a 50 percent chance. Hero vs Shy is a coin flip. Jaedong isn't that great at PvZ, but Flying is worse at PvZ to the point that they try to match him with only Protosses and Terrans.
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
EG-TL is getting a lot of exposure by doing Proleague, Proleague is getting a lot of exposure by having EG-TL. I can't see why they wouldn't be included next season
Kespa players always seem to be one step ahead of eg-tl. Zero perfectly knew JYP would do the phoenix->sentry/immortal and smashed it (with a little help from ST.Life). Meanwhile, last match Bong did the same build vs revival, and revival had no clue what to do.
On February 18 2013 16:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: err what's the Viper attack where they can pick up enemy units?... Anyway, the animation needs some work, looks quite goofy atm :S
AFAIK that's last year MLG footage. Absolutely not accurate ^^
On February 18 2013 16:18 EleanorRIgby wrote: damn i really wanna see light play but i dunno if thats gonna happen
Flying seems to be doing a lot better in proleague lately. Before I would have given that as EGTL's best chance even with Jaedong's ZvP. However Flying has looked good and I'm pissed I traded him away in FPL (probably why he's doing better TT)
yea flying is a really fast learner, i remember when he was just a estro rookie lol
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
It's not that at all. if you analyse why they lost, most of the time its build order loss.
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
Someone has to be at the bottom. They're tied with STK on wins, and only one behind SK-T1. Not that bad.
On February 18 2013 16:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: err what's the Viper attack where they can pick up enemy units?... Anyway, the animation needs some work, looks quite goofy atm :S
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
EG-TL is getting a lot of exposure by doing Proleague, Proleague is getting a lot of exposure by having EG-TL. I can't see why they wouldn't be included next season
Yeah it doesn't matter if a team does horribly and just loses every game, they need an 8th team for the format they have.
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
It's not that at all. if you analyse why they lost, most of the time its build order loss.
That's a lot of BO loses lol, so many excuses. IMO they don't have the coaching staff/training regime that the kespa teams have.
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
It's not that at all. if you analyse why they lost, most of the time its build order loss.
That's a lot of BO loses lol, so many excuses. IMO they don't have the coaching staff/training regime that the kespa teams have.
Oh god, this again? The EGTL fanboys coming up with cockamammy reasons for their epicly bad performance in PL?
On February 18 2013 16:19 nmetasch wrote: Sigh, egtl pretty much sucks comparatively, and considering their weaker practice regimen, it will only get worse =_=... makes me wonder if they'll even be included next season.
It's not that at all. if you analyse why they lost, most of the time its build order loss.
That's a lot of BO loses lol, so many excuses. IMO they don't have the coaching staff/training regime that the kespa teams have.
I do find some of the coaching calls strange, but idk I don't think it is from a lack of practice.
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
Very easy to just assume roaches and proceed as normal. GOTTA SCOUT FOLKS!
It was interesting to see a fluid style from the zerg!
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
brought peace?
It was a litote.
it was a quote and you didn't get it.
Do you mind sharing the quote ?
Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? Attendee: Brought peace? Reg: Oh, peace - shut up! Reg: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all. Dissenter: Uh, well, one. Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid.
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
Very easy to just assume roaches and proceed as normal. GOTTA SCOUT FOLKS!
It was interesting to see a fluid style from the zerg!
To be fair to Ps, it is hard to scout until your obs are out.
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
On February 18 2013 16:15 casualman wrote: Man, these kespa players just copy esf players all day. Where was that preparation style that was so hyped from them?
The Romans copied everyone else, too.
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?
Well ok, it does mean that. But in common use, as your link points out, it's a synonym of 'annihilate', and anyone that points out the 1/10 figure is just being pedantic.
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
No there are at least 2 out there. The ad spam fires like a belt-fed machine gun, they just loop the same ad back-to-back for eternity.
I refuse to pay on principle because a) the koreans get it for free and we have to pay $5 for I'm sorry a terribly amateur English production and b) every time I watch EGTL play I get so disgusted I swear it's the last time I'll watch Proleague. And yet I always crawl back to see the new ways they're gonna fail...
PS speaking of amateur how is it GSL puts 5 mins between players while Proleague has more downtime than actual content?
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
No there are at least 2 out there. The ad spam fires like a belt-fed machine gun, they just loop the same ad back-to-back for eternity.
I refuse to pay on principle because a) the koreans get it for free and we have to pay $5 for I'm sorry a terribly amateur English production and b) every time I watch EGTL play I get so disgusted I swear it's the last time I'll watch Proleague. And yet I always crawl back to see the new ways they're gonna fail...
PS speaking of amateur how is it GSL puts 5 mins between players while Proleague has more downtime than actual content?
Korean get it for free since they are on Korean TV and internet, so they have Korean centric adds to make their revenu. It's extremely hard to get adds that target citizens around the world, but that's what Twitch does.
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
No there are at least 2 out there. The ad spam fires like a belt-fed machine gun, they just loop the same ad back-to-back for eternity.
I refuse to pay on principle because a) the koreans get it for free and we have to pay $5 for I'm sorry a terribly amateur English production and b) every time I watch EGTL play I get so disgusted I swear it's the last time I'll watch Proleague. And yet I always crawl back to see the new ways they're gonna fail...
PS speaking of amateur how is it GSL puts 5 mins between players while Proleague has more downtime than actual content?
Korean get it for free since they are on Korean TV and internet, so they have Korean centric adds to make their revenu. It's extremely hard to get adds that target citizens around the world, but that's what Twitch does.
If they are showing korean commercials on TV this whole time, they must be swimming in money
These long waits are horrible. Almost 2 hours and only 2 games have gone by. Normally this is okay, but there's no filler material whatsoever. And the banter between SNM and Whiplash is pretty dull. I guess it's a tough job for them to talk for hours though...
Was BW PL like this as well? 10 minute games followed by 10-20 minutes of commercials/talking/etc.?
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
No there are at least 2 out there. The ad spam fires like a belt-fed machine gun, they just loop the same ad back-to-back for eternity.
I refuse to pay on principle because a) the koreans get it for free and we have to pay $5 for I'm sorry a terribly amateur English production and b) every time I watch EGTL play I get so disgusted I swear it's the last time I'll watch Proleague. And yet I always crawl back to see the new ways they're gonna fail...
PS speaking of amateur how is it GSL puts 5 mins between players while Proleague has more downtime than actual content?
Korean get it for free since they are on Korean TV and internet, so they have Korean centric adds to make their revenu. It's extremely hard to get adds that target citizens around the world, but that's what Twitch does.
If they are showing korean commercials on TV this whole time, they must be swimming in money
I don't think these games are on TV, only the OGN ones are.
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
Very easy to just assume roaches and proceed as normal. GOTTA SCOUT FOLKS!
It was interesting to see a fluid style from the zerg!
To be fair to Ps, it is hard to scout until your obs are out.
Going Phoenix is twice as good scouting Z than obs JPY shouldn't have been so greedy sending two Phoenix trying to kill Overlords faster
On February 18 2013 16:20 YMCApylons wrote: Am I the only person not running adblock, or is everyone else seeing ten Crysis 3 ads in a row?
More likely you are the only person not paying 5 dollars for almost a year content in HQ and vods . Seriously best 5 bucks ever spent. But Crysis 3 ads doesn't sound too bad either.
No there are at least 2 out there. The ad spam fires like a belt-fed machine gun, they just loop the same ad back-to-back for eternity.
I refuse to pay on principle because a) the koreans get it for free and we have to pay $5 for I'm sorry a terribly amateur English production and b) every time I watch EGTL play I get so disgusted I swear it's the last time I'll watch Proleague. And yet I always crawl back to see the new ways they're gonna fail...
PS speaking of amateur how is it GSL puts 5 mins between players while Proleague has more downtime than actual content?
Korean get it for free since they are on Korean TV and internet, so they have Korean centric adds to make their revenu. It's extremely hard to get adds that target citizens around the world, but that's what Twitch does.
If they are showing korean commercials on TV this whole time, they must be swimming in money
Nah , I think the koreans get a lot more interviews, game analysis etc. between the games.
On February 18 2013 16:50 jazzyjazz wrote: These long waits are horrible. Almost 2 hours and only 2 games have gone by. Normally this is okay, but there's no filler material whatsoever. And the banter between SNM and Whiplash is pretty dull. I guess it's a tough job for them to talk for hours though...
Was BW PL like this as well? 10 minute games followed by 10-20 minutes of commercials/talking/etc.?
BW games are averagely longer than SC2 games. Still this break is too long, even in OGN standard.
On February 18 2013 16:50 jazzyjazz wrote: These long waits are horrible. Almost 2 hours and only 2 games have gone by. Normally this is okay, but there's no filler material whatsoever. And the banter between SNM and Whiplash is pretty dull. I guess it's a tough job for them to talk for hours though...
Was BW PL like this as well? 10 minute games followed by 10-20 minutes of commercials/talking/etc.?
BW games are averagely longer than SC2 games. Still this break is too long, even in OGN standard.
Thanks for the info. Did the stream die for anyone else?
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
Very easy to just assume roaches and proceed as normal. GOTTA SCOUT FOLKS!
It was interesting to see a fluid style from the zerg!
To be fair to Ps, it is hard to scout until your obs are out.
Going Phoenix is twice as good scouting Z than obs JPY shouldn't have been so greedy sending two Phoenix trying to kill Overlords faster
Yes, but this quick hydra build is to counter the phoenix openning. Not sure if you can switch to robo quick enough. Maybe you have to send your first phoenix to scout right away.
On February 18 2013 16:53 Daralii wrote: According to Khaldor, one of the computers has internet issues. I dunno if it's on the studio's end or Blizzard's, though.
On February 18 2013 16:53 Daralii wrote: According to Khaldor, one of the computers has internet issues. I dunno if it's on the studio's end or Blizzard's, though.
On February 18 2013 16:17 Tachion wrote: Aside from Parting blind countering this, we haven't really seen a decent response to this build yet?
I think you need to spot that they are going for hydra early and then dump your gas into robo support and colo instead of stargate/sentries. Colo with gateway support should do well vs this comp.
Very easy to just assume roaches and proceed as normal. GOTTA SCOUT FOLKS!
It was interesting to see a fluid style from the zerg!
To be fair to Ps, it is hard to scout until your obs are out.
Going Phoenix is twice as good scouting Z than obs JPY shouldn't have been so greedy sending two Phoenix trying to kill Overlords faster
Yes, but this quick hydra build is to counter the phoenix openning. Not sure if you can switch to robo quick enough. Maybe you have to send your first phoenix to scout right away.
I would rather he didn't do that half assed Void Ray + Gateway units attack.
On February 18 2013 16:53 Daralii wrote: According to Khaldor, one of the computers has internet issues. I dunno if it's on the studio's end or Blizzard's, though.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars Game 3: 0-2 HerO vs sOs Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 HerO spawns in the top right sOs spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for HerO gateway first for sOs
2:00 gas for HerO gas for sOs 2nd gas for sOs Cybernetics core for sOs Cybernetics core for HerO zealot for HerO
3:00 zealot for sOs 2nd zealot for HerO sentry for sOs stalker for HerO HerO remembers warp gate this time 2nd gas for HerO
4:00 another zealot for sOs 2nd gate for HerO robo for sOs another stalker for HerO another sentry for sOs
5:00 2nd gate for sOs HerO moves up the main ramp of sOs forcefield traps 1 zealot upt he ramp and sOs kills it off HerO tries to go up the ramp again and loses a stalker and zealot but kills 2 zealots another stalker moves up the ramp and kills 1 sentry. probes are pulled and surround the stalker and kill it to save the 2nd sentry in the red
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars Game 3: 0-2 HerO vs sOs Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 HerO spawns in the top right sOs spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for HerO gateway first for sOs
2:00 gas for HerO gas for sOs 2nd gas for sOs Cybernetics core for sOs Cybernetics core for HerO zealot for HerO
3:00 zealot for sOs 2nd zealot for HerO sentry for sOs stalker for HerO HerO remembers warp gate this time 2nd gas for HerO
4:00 another zealot for sOs 2nd gate for HerO robo for sOs another stalker for HerO another sentry for sOs
5:00 2nd gate for sOs HerO moves up the main ramp of sOs forcefield traps 1 zealot upt he ramp and sOs kills it off HerO tries to go up the ramp again and loses a stalker and zealot but kills 2 zealots another stalker moves up the ramp and kills 1 sentry. probes are pulled and surround the stalker and kill it to save the 2nd sentry in the red
6:00 immortal production started for sOs 3rd gate for HerO double proxy stargate for HerO Robotics bay for sOS
7:00 observer for sOs 3rd gate for sOs nexus for HerO double phoenix production started for HerO Colossus production started for sOs zealot scouting for proxies for sOs
8:00 sOs sees a probe but not the stargates the zealot walks away from the stargates 2 more gas for HerO sOs moving out with his first colossus and 2 immortals
9:00 HerO moving out with 4 phoenixes, 5th rallied sOs moving around the back corridor towards HerO's base phoenixes fly into the main of sOs and kill a stalker sOs pushes into the natural of HerO
10:00 HerO sacks the natural nexus but sOs ignores it and pushes straight into HerO's main phoenixes come back and start trying to pick up stalkers sOs has a 21 supply lead sOs has too much anti air and starts picking off phoenixes 10 stalkers still alive zealots killing probes in HerO's main mineral line
11:00 HerO down 40 supply HerO ggs! sOs gives Woongjin Stars a 3-0 lead!
On February 18 2013 17:01 Sabu113 wrote: That nexus was just too much.
he should have had it.
when you 2x stargate you only have minerals left and Hero was going to get stomped with four more zealots anyways. I guess Shy would've lost if he went defensive robo with expand and lots of immortals.
HerO talking to himself saying like "aaaa this noob didn't expand WHY! aaaa" ^_^
Lucky for sOs that he didn't go for an expo play. What could have turned into a cute and smart start gets crushed and ends up looking stupid. I hate when that happens
On February 18 2013 17:04 Mohdoo wrote: I don't think EGTL plays WoL anymore.
excuses. Stephano and jaedong pretty much only steam WoL.
Not making excuses, it just really looks like they stopped. The games look more sloppy than we ever see them be.
Yeah it actually looks like they've stopped trying. Now they're just using Proleague to practise the weird builds they come up with. "Hey let's see if I can proxy factory/starport next to your base and then float a factory over your army and hope you don't notice." "Hey my pvp sucks so why don't I just see if I can 2-stargate proxy you?"
On February 18 2013 17:14 veKtory wrote: If Jaedong and PuMa can pull this off I think Stepano can take the next 2. Assuming they send out Stephano for the ace match, logically they should.
On February 18 2013 17:14 veKtory wrote: If Jaedong and PuMa can pull this off I think Stepano can take the next 2. Assuming they send out Stephano for the ace match, logically they should.
On February 18 2013 17:14 veKtory wrote: If Jaedong and PuMa can pull this off I think Stepano can take the next 2. Assuming they send out Stephano for the ace match, logically they should.
Nope, it'll be Incontrol.
Of course.
Incontrol into proxy pylong into DT rush into winning.
You know, I bet EGTL would have won more if they had all-kill going. Stephano could have put them far ahead in the last series and I feel like one of these guys like Hero could have carried.
On February 18 2013 17:18 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: You know, I bet EGTL would have won more if they had all-kill going. Stephano could have put them far ahead in the last series and I feel like one of these guys like Hero could have carried.
Last round was all kill and it didn't go that well for them.
On February 18 2013 17:14 veKtory wrote: If Jaedong and PuMa can pull this off I think Stepano can take the next 2. Assuming they send out Stephano for the ace match, logically they should.
Nope, it'll be Incontrol.
Of course.
Incontrol into proxy pylong into DT rush into winning.
You know, one of his trademark Void Ray all ins would probably catch someone off guard and could grab a win.
It'd be a damn sight better than whatever the fuck it was HerO just tried to do anyway.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 4: 0-3 Jaedong vs Flying Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Jaedong spawns in the bottom right Flying spawns in the top left
2:00 Pool first for Jaedong Nexus first for Flying hatch for Jaedong forge for Flying
3:00 gateway for Flying cannon for Flying 3rd base for Jaedong
4:00 double gas for Flying Cybernetics core for Flying zealot for Flying
5:00 stalker for Flying robo for Flying double gas for Jaedong 3rd gas for Flying
6:00 +1 attack started for Flying 4th gas for Flying sentry for Flying immortal production started for Flying overlord scouts the 4 gas and the robo
7:00 evo for Jaedong Lair for Jaedong Roach warren for Jaedong 2nd immortal for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong 3 more gates for Flying ling speed for Jaedong Roaches starting to come out for Jaedong
8:00 macro hatch for Jaedong 3rd immortal for Flying Roach speed for JAedong 2 more gateways for Flying Twilight council for Flying observer for Flying
9:00 +1 range attack started for Flying Flying kills the overlord blocking his 3rd with creep Jaedong sends some of his units across the map to check for a 3rd lings try to surround the immortal sentry army Flying misses some forcefields a couple of sentries are killed but Flying holds
10:00 3rd base started for Flying +2 attack started for Flying Blink research for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong infestation pit for Jaedong Jaedong makes 40 more lings 2 more gates for Flying
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 4: 0-3 Jaedong vs Flying Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Jaedong spawns in the bottom right Flying spawns in the top left
2:00 Pool first for Jaedong Nexus first for Flying hatch for Jaedong forge for Flying
3:00 gateway for Flying cannon for Flying 3rd base for Jaedong
4:00 double gas for Flying Cybernetics core for Flying zealot for Flying
5:00 stalker for Flying robo for Flying double gas for Jaedong 3rd gas for Flying
6:00 +1 attack started for Flying 4th gas for Flying sentry for Flying immortal production started for Flying overlord scouts the 4 gas and the robo
7:00 evo for Jaedong Lair for Jaedong Roach warren for Jaedong 2nd immortal for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong 3 more gates for Flying ling speed for Jaedong Roaches starting to come out for Jaedong
8:00 macro hatch for Jaedong 3rd immortal for Flying Roach speed for JAedong 2 more gateways for Flying Twilight council for Flying observer for Flying
9:00 +1 range attack started for Flying Flying kills the overlord blocking his 3rd with creep Jaedong sends some of his units across the map to check for a 3rd lings try to surround the immortal sentry army Flying misses some forcefields a couple of sentries are killed but Flying holds
10:00 3rd base started for Flying +2 attack started for Flying Blink research for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong infestation pit for Jaedong Jaedong makes 40 more lings 2 more gates for Flying
11:00 pathogen glands for Jaedong 2nd evo chamber finishes 1-1 ling upgrades started for Jaedong Robotics bay for Flying 4th base for Jaedong infestor production started for Jaedong
12:00 charge research started for Flying Hive started for Jaedong spines going up for Jaedong Spire for Jaedong Colossus production started for Flying Templar archives for Flying 4 more gates for Flying
13:00 +3 attack started for Flying more spines going up for Jaedong HTs on the map warp prism for Flying
14:00 7 more spines for Jaedong Greater spire started for Jaedong spore ring going up in Jaedong's main 2-2 ling upgrades started for Jaedong Corruptor production started for Jaedong HTs turned into archons Flying moving out on the map
15:00 burrow research started for Jaedong Jaedong is sacking his 4th base and moves back to between his natural and 3rd to defend Flying ignores the 4th base originally but then turns around to kill it 11 more spines for Jaedong 4th base of Jaedong is killed Flying starting to push into the spine forest corruptors kill the colossus fungals on the army
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs Woongjin Stars R3 Game 4: 0-3 Jaedong vs Flying Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Jaedong spawns in the bottom right Flying spawns in the top left
2:00 Pool first for Jaedong Nexus first for Flying hatch for Jaedong forge for Flying
3:00 gateway for Flying cannon for Flying 3rd base for Jaedong
4:00 double gas for Flying Cybernetics core for Flying zealot for Flying
5:00 stalker for Flying robo for Flying double gas for Jaedong 3rd gas for Flying
6:00 +1 attack started for Flying 4th gas for Flying sentry for Flying immortal production started for Flying overlord scouts the 4 gas and the robo
7:00 evo for Jaedong Lair for Jaedong Roach warren for Jaedong 2nd immortal for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong 3 more gates for Flying ling speed for Jaedong Roaches starting to come out for Jaedong
8:00 macro hatch for Jaedong 3rd immortal for Flying Roach speed for JAedong 2 more gateways for Flying Twilight council for Flying observer for Flying
9:00 +1 range attack started for Flying Flying kills the overlord blocking his 3rd with creep Jaedong sends some of his units across the map to check for a 3rd lings try to surround the immortal sentry army Flying misses some forcefields a couple of sentries are killed but Flying holds
10:00 3rd base started for Flying +2 attack started for Flying Blink research for Flying 2 more gas for Jaedong infestation pit for Jaedong Jaedong makes 40 more lings 2 more gates for Flying
11:00 pathogen glands for Jaedong 2nd evo chamber finishes 1-1 ling upgrades started for Jaedong Robotics bay for Flying 4th base for Jaedong infestor production started for Jaedong
12:00 charge research started for Flying Hive started for Jaedong spines going up for Jaedong Spire for Jaedong Colossus production started for Flying Templar archives for Flying 4 more gates for Flying
13:00 +3 attack started for Flying more spines going up for Jaedong HTs on the map warp prism for Flying
14:00 7 more spines for Jaedong Greater spire started for Jaedong spore ring going up in Jaedong's main 2-2 ling upgrades started for Jaedong Corruptor production started for Jaedong HTs turned into archons Flying moving out on the map
15:00 burrow research started for Jaedong Jaedong is sacking his 4th base and moves back to between his natural and 3rd to defend Flying ignores the 4th base originally but then turns around to kill it 11 more spines for Jaedong 4th base of Jaedong is killed Flying starting to push into the spine forest corruptors kill the colossus fungals on the army
16:00 Jaedong tries to flank with some lings the protoss army tears through Jaedong's army brood lords started for Jaedong Jaedong is down 60 supply zealots attacking at the 3rd of Jaedong Jaedong lost all of his infestors
17:00 Flying still up 50 supply natural hatch of Jaedong dies immortals archons and stalkers push into the main of Jaedong Jaedong ggs! Flying wins and Woongjin Stars takes the match 4-0!
That was horrible...Jaedong doesn't understand the match up at all. Only chance he had there was to morph those corruptors into BL instead of taking the fight.
On February 18 2013 17:29 Insoleet wrote: He was just ready to morph 12 BL... Instead he sacrificed all his corruptors to archon for one colossus ? Seriously ? >_<
And then, hero BO-Loosing. And then, JYP BO-Loosing.
I'm starting to believed in EG curse.
JYP bo lose?OO
and hero is using a BO that is mb beating 1 or 2 BOs. his fault 2 use such bullshit.
Actually being serious though, I don't understand how a team so talented can be getting facerolled so badly and so often. They need to have Stephano in the first four every time because he seems to be their best player at the moment.
Wow.. havent looked into sc2 scene for a long time since around when brood war people started playing sc2. Was kind of expecting to see ws win but..... 4-0 vs the people they faced... wtf lol? I guess foreign teams are not making practice important enough.
On February 18 2013 17:29 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote: Time for a management change?
Yeah, they need someone to tell jaedong to do 100 games a day to prepare a bo1 and he will do it. More seriously, they have a good line up, they should get better results, it seems like a mental slump.
On February 18 2013 17:29 Insoleet wrote: He was just ready to morph 12 BL... Instead he sacrificed all his corruptors to archon for one colossus ? Seriously ? >_<
And then, hero BO-Loosing. And then, JYP BO-Loosing.
On February 18 2013 17:29 Insoleet wrote: He was just ready to morph 12 BL... Instead he sacrificed all his corruptors to archon for one colossus ? Seriously ? >_<
And then, hero BO-Loosing. And then, JYP BO-Loosing.
I'm starting to believed in EG curse.
JYP bo lose?OO
and hero is using a BO that is mb beating 1 or 2 BOs. his fault 2 use such bullshit.
The mass hydra timing into muta is BO-win against SG into robo or pure robo immortal opening...
On February 18 2013 17:32 Powster wrote: Wow.. havent looked into sc2 scene for a long time since around when brood war people started playing sc2. Was kind of expecting to see ws win but..... 4-0 vs the people they faced... wtf lol? I guess foreign teams are not making practice important enough.
I think there's something going wrong with the coaching/mind-gaming. That's my excuse, anyways
On February 18 2013 17:29 Insoleet wrote: He was just ready to morph 12 BL... Instead he sacrificed all his corruptors to archon for one colossus ? Seriously ? >_<
And then, hero BO-Loosing. And then, JYP BO-Loosing.
I'm starting to believed in EG curse.
JYP bo lose?OO
and hero is using a BO that is mb beating 1 or 2 BOs. his fault 2 use such bullshit.
The mass hydra timing into muta is BO-win against SG into robo or pure robo immortal opening...
But it's a BO-lose against 2 base colossi all in.
if u fucking see it. and react to it. how is it a BO loss rofl.
On February 18 2013 17:33 SniXSniPe wrote: Stephano on Cloud Kingdom. Taeja on Antiga Shipyards. Hero on Entombed. Jaedong on Neo Planet S Puma Thorzain on Akilon Flats JYP on Neo Arkanoid
Better IMO.
Fixed
Imo, @EGtrotRC should stop putting out Puma (who had the worst record in Proleague until now; he won his last game so I think he's 1-8?) and Thorzain or probably Zenio or anyone else in the lineup should/ought to be played, instead.
Edit: Also, Revival could be in there. Considering JYP's loss today, maybe put Revival in in his place. Or in JD's place.
On February 18 2013 17:30 Arceus wrote: sometimes I feel like if Jaedong was on SKT, he woulda been locked in a dark room with HotS only, alongside Bisu
At the start of todays games the english stream was lagging for me so I fired up the OGN VLC stream but I was suprised there was no proleague (I forgot no OGN on weekday matches) Instead they had this program where they invite players and JD and Bisu were the ones invited. I watched one game and JD lost to Bisu.
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I tried making the LR thread for today's match based off the last one. Then I gave up when I realized how much work it'd be to make/keep updating. Thanks a lot for your work, Shellshock1122!
It's like EG-TL is getting paid big bucks for every lost match... what the hell ... so disappointing. Didn't even watched the stream today, just had it in background listening to it... no excitement left in watching proleague.
Good god PL needs new interviews and other break filler. I like the random player interviews but I can only see JD talk about his future wifey so many times before I want to rip my own face off.
I tried making the LR thread for today's match based off the last one. Then I gave up when I realized how much work it'd be to make/keep updating. Thanks a lot for your work, Shellshock1122!
hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
On February 18 2013 17:37 HomeWorld wrote: It's like EG-TL is getting paid big bucks for every lost match... what the hell ... so disappointing. Didn't even watched the stream today, just had it in background listening to it... no excitement left in watching proleague.
I tried making the LR thread for today's match based off the last one. Then I gave up when I realized how much work it'd be to make/keep updating. Thanks a lot for your work, Shellshock1122!
On February 18 2013 17:33 SniXSniPe wrote: Stephano on Cloud Kingdom. Taeja on Antiga Shipyards. Hero on Entombed. Jaedong on Neo Planet S Puma Thorzain on Akilon Flats JYP on Neo Arkanoid
Better IMO.
Fixed
Imo, @EGtrotRC should stop putting out Puma (who had the worst record in Proleague until now; he won his last game so I think he's 1-8?) and Thorzain or probably Zenio or anyone else in the lineup should/ought to be played, instead.
Edit: Also, Revival could be in there. Considering JYP's loss today, maybe put Revival in in his place. Or in JD's place.
Can't field Zenio/Revival because you have to at least field one player of each race.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
EG-TL's performance the last two series has been really disappointing. They have some good players but they appear to be getting ran over recently by the KeSPA teams. I have to wonder how much of this has to do with player/map/strategy choices and with differences in team training. Regardless, I hope this loss doesn't crush EG-TL's morale.
I hope they get another chance in HOTS they just have their eyes off the ball because of the dumb beta which shouldn't even be played hardcore anyway IMHO yet they are doing it. I mean HotS beta tournaments exist? Just jumping the shark a little. Loads of these Koreans playing WoL mostly still. In hots we will have a momentary advantage at least, watch EGTL improve then.
On February 18 2013 17:37 iamahydralisk wrote: Good god PL needs new interviews and other break filler. I like the random player interviews but I can only see JD talk about his future wifey so many times before I want to rip my own face off.
At least we also get the refreshing taste of the HotS cinematic. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I disagree that a few of those names should be added into a "stacked" lineup, but it's pretty clear that they should be able to play alot better then this, all of em.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
The KeSPA players are no longer no-name players. They've started qualifying to Code A already, and even though there aren't all that many in Code A, they're showing that they are top level now. My logic: Soulkey, Roro, and Innovation are in GSL Code S RO8. And the other Proleague players beat them routinely. So I think all the KeSPA team aces are pretty up there in skill level and can take games off the best of them.
That being said, I really have disagreed with a lot of the coaching decisions for this season of Proleague. I think Hwanni had a really good coaching record in GSTL. I don't remember which team he came from (FXO?), but he didn't have as many stars as the other teams but they did really well. If it was FXO, they actually took two GSTL titles, or something. But the coach that EG hired was @EGtrotRC. Hwanni was brought on not for coaching, specifically.
TLDR: I wish Nazgul was coaching. Plus Hwanni, maybe
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
lol eg-tl is not nearly as stacked as you think... No need to talk down on the kespa players who shit all over esf players in proleague and have invaded the GSL as well.
On February 18 2013 17:42 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I hope they get another chance in HOTS they just have their eyes off the ball because of the dumb beta which shouldn't even be played hardcore anyway IMHO yet they are doing it. I mean HotS beta tournaments exist? Just jumping the shark a little. Loads of these Koreans playing WoL mostly still. In hots we will have a momentary advantage at least, watch EGTL improve then.
I hope you're right and some of this is due to the emphasis on HoTS.
On February 18 2013 17:37 iamahydralisk wrote: Good god PL needs new interviews and other break filler. I like the random player interviews but I can only see JD talk about his future wifey so many times before I want to rip my own face off.
At least we also get the refreshing taste of the HotS cinematic. Over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
What about that one 15-second sound bite played on repeat, with the volume randomly changing?
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I agree.
Something is really wrong with the management.
Having no name doesn't mean a thing. First of all I'd argue that KeSPa's training is more strict and that shows because time is used more efficient, secondly as mentioned before, you have to start somewhere. If you judge someone by not having a name yet, you might as well write off 80% of the Starcraft 2 players as plain bad. Rain had no name, had a good run, became a good player, now everyone knows him.
Taeja had no name to him from the start. Also, if you are from Broodwar, even though Starcraft 2 is a new game, there are people that have a name, it doesn't matter if you acknowledge them in Starcraft 2 yet. Here was a guy calling Flying bad, but Flying is learning quick, looked good in PL, recently beat Flash and today beat Jaedong, who is a very big name out there, even though not showing in Starcraft 2 yet.
People need to stop judging by 1 series, forgetting all history or stop judging at all. How good of a player someone is shows over time and a name doesn't make a good player, good play makes a good player.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I disagree that a few of those names should be added into a "stacked" lineup, but it's pretty clear that they should be able to play alot better then this, all of em.
well their better may not be better than other teams' better
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
The KeSPA players are no longer no-name players. They've started qualifying to Code A already, and even though there aren't all that many in Code A, they're showing that they are top level now. My logic: Soulkey, Roro, and Innovation are in GSL Code S RO8. And the other Proleague players beat them routinely. So I think all the KeSPA team aces are pretty up there in skill level and can take games off the best of them.
That being said, I really have disagreed with a lot of the coaching decisions for this season of Proleague. I think Hwanni had a really good coaching record in GSTL. I don't remember which team he came from (FXO?), but he didn't have as many stars as the other teams but they did really well. If it was FXO, they actually took two GSTL titles, or something. But the coach that EG hired was @EGtrotRC. Hwanni was brought on not for coaching, specifically.
TLDR: I wish Nazgul was coaching. Plus Hwanni, maybe
In addition to your statement about the KeSPa players in Code S Ro8, they all finished first in their group.
It's sad to see the once immortal Jaedong losing like that, but the romance with TaekBangLeeSsang has to stop. Jaedong, Bisu and Stork were close to nothing towards the end of BW (especially after 2010 where Jaedong and Stork both got beaten up bad by Flash / Fantasy).
I serious question whether those Kespa / BW / Elephant fanboys all switched to SC2 immediately after its release. True loyal BW followers knew that Fantasy > Flash, Jangbi > BIsu, Soulkey / Zero > Jaedong towards the end of BW.
When fans don't see TaekBangLeeSsang dominating in SC2 they instead vent their anger on the game itself with shit like "SC2 is too easy to show their potential!". To be honest I find Soulkey, Fantasy, and Jangbi doing better than TaekBangLeeSsang in SC2 makes more sense than the latter dominating in it.
The elephant in the room is true, it's just that people guessed the elephants wrong.
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
I agree.
Something is really wrong with the management.
I think managers can't do much, they can't do the same things KeSPA team coaches do.
I remember couple years ago, some rookie in STX lost the showmatch against Lx from China, coach kim shouted out to him like crazy in public with many audiences watching. That was brutal, like in military. I doubt EG-TL coaches can even ask players to focus on certain maps. They have no power over players, so players can just do whatever they want. It's relaxing, and players are happy because of no pressure.
http://evilgeniuses.net/about-evil-geniuses/ wrote: Founded in 1999, Evil Geniuses (Team EG) have grown to become a leading new media agency which specializes in contracting pro gamers, executing online and offline broadcasts, and developing unique marketing initiatives aimed at attracting and influencing gamers worldwide.
Nowhere in there does it mention winning games
Pretty much, but most people don't even care whether they win or not, they'll still be EG fans. So long as they got that and their marketing power I guess winning doesn't matter? lol
On February 18 2013 17:42 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I hope they get another chance in HOTS they just have their eyes off the ball because of the dumb beta which shouldn't even be played hardcore anyway IMHO yet they are doing it. I mean HotS beta tournaments exist? Just jumping the shark a little. Loads of these Koreans playing WoL mostly still. In hots we will have a momentary advantage at least, watch EGTL improve then.
Well, MLG and IEM WC will be HoTS.
Currently for WoL, we have IPL, GSL and PL left but next season for GSL and next round for PL. So I think it might not be a bad time to start switching.
Weren't EG-TL the favourite to win it all according to TL's pro league preview? It's ok, I'm sure they'll win pro league team of the year in TL's year end awards.
Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
On February 18 2013 17:53 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Is EG-TL confirmed to take part in next PL season ?
I'm not sure they would even consider it personally. The whole notion of locking down their players in a weekly schedule league in Korea for half a year or longer seems inconsistent with how these organizations operate and what they need their players to do.
They probably gave it a go this season because they thought they still had the edge on most other teams' lineups and it generated some hype initially.
I think the original 7 Proleague teams seem to take preparation for Proleague much more seriously than EG-TL seems to. From what I have read, the 7 originals prioritize Proleague above everything else, even GSL and individual tournaments.
If, say, Taeja and Stephano focus on other tourneys too, of course EG-TL won't do as well.
On February 18 2013 17:47 ppshchik wrote: It's sad to see the once immortal Jaedong losing like that, but the romance with TaekBangLeeSsang has to stop. Jaedong, Bisu and Stork were close to nothing towards the end of BW (especially after 2010 where Jaedong and Stork both got beaten up bad by Flash / Fantasy).
I serious question whether those Kespa / BW / Elephant fanboys all switched to SC2 immediately after its release. True loyal BW followers knew that Fantasy > Flash, Jangbi > BIsu, Soulkey / Zero > Jaedong towards the end of BW.
When fans don't see TaekBangLeeSsang dominating in SC2 they instead vent their anger on the game itself with shit like "SC2 is too easy to show their potential!". To be honest I find Soulkey, Fantasy, and Jangbi doing better than TaekBangLeeSsang in SC2 makes more sense than the latter dominating in it.
The elephant in the room is true, it's just that people guessed the elephants wrong.
All of that is debatable. Fantasy beat Flash in ONE Bo5 while they both did very well in Proleague. Jangbi won two OSLs, but was pretty mediocre in Proleague, which is the only place that Bisu has been good for years. Jaedong was showing a lot of weakness and looking worse than Zero, but it's not like Soulkey was putting up incredible results either.
Also, no idea why you're saying that Fantasy is doing better than Flash in Starcraft 2. Flash has already advanced in code A (against a very tough opponent) while Fantasy has yet to do so, and Fantasy has lost 7 straight games in Proleague now.
On February 18 2013 17:53 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Is EG-TL confirmed to take part in next PL season ?
I'm not sure they would even consider it personally. The whole notion of locking down their players in a weekly schedule league in Korea for half a year or longer seems inconsistent with how these organizations operate and what they need their players to do.
They probably gave it a go this season because they thought they still had the edge on most other teams' lineups and it generated some hype initially.
Most of their good players are Korean, they have to play in some kind of team league.
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
The kespa players are surpassing them, it's pretty straightforward.
I think they should replace trOt with a new head coach for round 4. He has clearly failed with this team and as hots will be played in round 4 it's a good time to start over. Why is he not picking stephano to play at least to avoid embarrassing looses like tonight?
On February 18 2013 17:39 johnny123 wrote: hwanni and the coach suck, Thats the only thing that can explain such a poor performance.
You mean to tell me a team thats so stacked Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma are made to look this silly against literally no name sc2 players ? they literally started playing sc2 mid last year while still playing BW and not even our best players from EG TL look favored against ANY kespa player.
This is just disgracefull.
i wouldn't call some of these kespa guys no-names anymore, when they're handing Taeja/Hero/Stephano/Jyp/Jd/Revival/Thorzain/Huk/Puma beatdowns after beatdowns week after week.
On February 18 2013 17:47 ppshchik wrote: It's sad to see the once immortal Jaedong losing like that, but the romance with TaekBangLeeSsang has to stop. Jaedong, Bisu and Stork were close to nothing towards the end of BW (especially after 2010 where Jaedong and Stork both got beaten up bad by Flash / Fantasy).
I serious question whether those Kespa / BW / Elephant fanboys all switched to SC2 immediately after its release. True loyal BW followers knew that Fantasy > Flash, Jangbi > BIsu, Soulkey / Zero > Jaedong towards the end of BW.
When fans don't see TaekBangLeeSsang dominating in SC2 they instead vent their anger on the game itself with shit like "SC2 is too easy to show their potential!". To be honest I find Soulkey, Fantasy, and Jangbi doing better than TaekBangLeeSsang in SC2 makes more sense than the latter dominating in it.
The elephant in the room is true, it's just that people guessed the elephants wrong.
the elephant article was written in a time when the likes of nestea were dominating sc2, along with the terran rain etc. guys like creator, life etc are new talents, not something the elephant article considered.
wow, 4-0'd? I didn't expect that result. Was hoping that at least Jaedong won his game >< EG-TL is definitely not performing up to par but I do have to wonder if its due to their (non-existant?) training regimen. As mentioned, the other teams take proleague seriously above all other leagues but I get the feeling that EG-TL players aren't. That or they already reached their limit and the KeSPA players have already caught up to them and surpassing them which is quite possible. I guess the only confusing part is how Jaedong still can't seem to play ZvP correctly. I didn't see the game but from the comments, it seems he made corrupters and never morphed them into BLs then lost them all to archons? :O
On February 18 2013 18:09 archonOOid wrote: I think they should replace trOt with a new head coach for round 4. He has clearly failed with this team and as hots will be played in round 4 it's a good time to start over. Why is he not picking stephano to play at least to avoid embarrassing looses like tonight?
yeah always blame the coach. cause like always the beloved players can't do anything wrong.
it's not the coach faults if people don't fucking perform like they should be.
The EGTL-Roster isn`t stacked with mass great players at all. When they play in PL i only got a good feeling when Taeja, Hero, Stephano and maybe Revival are playing. Players like Huk, Thorzain, Puma, JYP and Zenio always seem like an automatic loss even if their match record doesn`t say so.
With that said, Taeja and Hero haven`t been on their top level for weeks....
I don't really care about EG-TL as a team, but it's immensely disappointing seeing Jaedong continue to be sub-par. He unquestionably has the work ethic, and most definitely has the mechanics to succeed...so why isn't he? Why is he so much better in ZvZ (2x the winrate) than ZvT or ZvP? I can't wrap my head around the x-factors that are holding him back overall and in certain matchups.
I feel like EGTL is falling behind in proleague because they just don't have enough people to practice with in Korea... I feel like if everyone from EG and TL were in Korea they would be doing much better than they are. Then again I could just be a sad fan who is grasping at straws
On February 18 2013 18:21 Tachion wrote: I don't really care about EG-TL as a team, but it's immensely disappointing seeing Jaedong continue to be sub-par. He unquestionably has the work ethic, and most definitely has the mechanics to succeed...so why isn't he? Why is he so much better in ZvZ (2x the winrate) than ZvT or ZvP? I can't wrap my head around the x-factors that are holding him back overall and in certain matchups.
cause mechanics win you ZvZs. in ZvT and ZvP not so much. and he was always known for being a good mechanic player and not the little genius. (ofc smart player but still.)
always nice to see eg-tl getting owned :D. even nicer to see people blaming the coach/management and w/e else except the all-perfect players. Apparently Pro League isn't Dreamhack, gotta try harder
On February 18 2013 18:22 Kabras wrote: always nice to see eg-tl getting owned :D. even nicer to see people blaming the coach/management and w/e else except the all-perfect players. Apparently Pro League isn't Dreamhack, gotta try harder
Coaches do play a big factor. FXO didn't win 2 GSTL based upon their roster strength alone.
As for whether EGTL should continue with Proleague, I would say no. The lackluster English stream, and the fact that they are being owned, would mean that they aren't drawing many viewers. I watched it a bit to start, but I am already feeling disinterested.
On February 18 2013 18:21 Tachion wrote: I don't really care about EG-TL as a team, but it's immensely disappointing seeing Jaedong continue to be sub-par. He unquestionably has the work ethic, and most definitely has the mechanics to succeed...so why isn't he? Why is he so much better in ZvZ (2x the winrate) than ZvT or ZvP? I can't wrap my head around the x-factors that are holding him back overall and in certain matchups.
I can tell you that easily.
ZvZ you can be aggressive you don't have to turtle to consistently win. Zerg verse Terran you can't be as aggressive and eventually you do have to turtle and try to get that deathball, zvp is just worse for it as you almost have to go turtle mode as really the only ways you can be aggressive verse toss in wol is to pretty much hope toss messes up forcefields.
I have said it before and I will say it again, I would judge Jaedong based on how he does in hots within the next few months after release. WoL does NOT fit his play style at all. He is not the type of player to sit back, make a ton of spines and try to get a deathball.
Hots zerg is very different from wol zerg (you can be aggressive, you don't have to go broodlords anymore) and this is when imo jaedong will shine.
I'd rather see players do well in individual leagues than teamleagues, Taeja is already in ro8 and Hero in Code A Round 3 so i just hope these players focus more on their individual leagues.
On February 18 2013 18:21 yawnoC wrote: I feel like EGTL is falling behind in proleague because they just don't have enough people to practice with in Korea... I feel like if everyone from EG and TL were in Korea they would be doing much better than they are. Then again I could just be a sad fan who is grasping at straws
EGTL has as many players in korea as 3rd place CJ and 4th place team 8. you definitely cant use player numbers as an excuse.
plus, do you really think adding practice partners like ret, sheth, idra, incontrol etc will make any difference?
On February 18 2013 18:21 yawnoC wrote: I feel like EGTL is falling behind in proleague because they just don't have enough people to practice with in Korea... I feel like if everyone from EG and TL were in Korea they would be doing much better than they are. Then again I could just be a sad fan who is grasping at straws
EGTL has as many players in korea as 3rd place CJ and 4th place team 8. you definitely cant use player numbers as an excuse.
plus, do you really think adding practice partners like ret, sheth, idra, incontrol etc will make any difference?
and you think the A Teamers only practice with each other? what do you think why they have B Teamers and online practice partners? decoration?
I'm honestly not sure Proleague teams are as big as they once used to be in the number of trainees they have off the A team roster. It would be nice to have some information on this though. They used to have quite large B teams and a whole bunch of non-contracted practice partners in BW.
On February 18 2013 18:21 yawnoC wrote: I feel like EGTL is falling behind in proleague because they just don't have enough people to practice with in Korea... I feel like if everyone from EG and TL were in Korea they would be doing much better than they are. Then again I could just be a sad fan who is grasping at straws
EGTL has as many players in korea as 3rd place CJ and 4th place team 8. you definitely cant use player numbers as an excuse.
plus, do you really think adding practice partners like ret, sheth, idra, incontrol etc will make any difference?
and you think the A Teamers only practice with each other? what do you think why they have B Teamers and online practice partners? decoration?
STX and EG-TL are good buddies, they practice with each other sometimes.
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
The kespa players are surpassing them, it's pretty straightforward.
it's not the skill it's the way the players are being brought out( order of the line-up)
Ive already stopped watching proleague. The casters are just way too bad sorry to say. Thats the main problem, not egtl losing. While its sad theyre losing all the time, with those casters they could be winning 4-0 and I still wouldnt watch. Will spend my money on gstl instead I think.
On February 18 2013 18:21 yawnoC wrote: I feel like EGTL is falling behind in proleague because they just don't have enough people to practice with in Korea... I feel like if everyone from EG and TL were in Korea they would be doing much better than they are. Then again I could just be a sad fan who is grasping at straws
EGTL has as many players in korea as 3rd place CJ and 4th place team 8. you definitely cant use player numbers as an excuse.
plus, do you really think adding practice partners like ret, sheth, idra, incontrol etc will make any difference?
and you think the A Teamers only practice with each other? what do you think why they have B Teamers and online practice partners? decoration?
STX and EG-TL are good buddies, they practice with each other sometimes.
The all star EGTL lineup has definitely outdone the expectations with a combined 1 set win this week. 1-8 with only stephano winning a game? I was never an EGTL fan and did not consider them as playoff spot contenders, but I did expect them to at least put up a fight in every match. Right now they are just getting crushed, and while they did face top teams this week, they have to aim higher than 1-4 and 0-4 with this lineup. Its a shame
On February 18 2013 13:37 Inzan1ty wrote: Finally up..
Make or break for EGTL
Unfortunetly those arent optimal matchups at all
TaeJa > free JYP > ZerO HerO < sOs (sHy) Jaedong < Flying PuMa < Light Stephano < Soulkey
Woongjin takes it 4-2, EGTL will drop further
They cant drop any further, they are already at the bottom
I think EGTL lost on purpose just to prove that, yes, they can always find a new low. This is all your fault, mongmong!
On February 18 2013 13:37 Inzan1ty wrote: TaeJa > free
On February 18 2013 13:57 TommyP wrote: TaeJa and Jaedong will win but other than that everybody else will lose imo.
On February 18 2013 14:09 edgeOut wrote: Taeja and Zero are sure wins, if PUMA beats light, EG-TL will win this match.
Hands up all of you who predicted Taeja would win his game? Everyone? Huh...
On February 18 2013 15:00 MisterFred wrote: You're all wrong. Very wrong. Yes, it's the first-place team vs the last place team. Yes, the matchups could have worked out better. Yes, doom & gloom is popular on forums.
But EG-TL is going to win this match, mark my words.
Well if there are any EGTL fans left after today's match, may I suggest some other teams that could use the support of undying optimists such as yourselves: Team England, Arsenal, the Toronto Maple Leafs...
On February 18 2013 18:22 Kabras wrote: always nice to see eg-tl getting owned :D. even nicer to see people blaming the coach/management and w/e else except the all-perfect players. Apparently Pro League isn't Dreamhack, gotta try harder
eh i think it will get boring by the end of this PL season. <.< They keep losing, even with a 90% korean line up, only players who play in PL aer stephano and thorzain, and even thise play only few games
On February 18 2013 18:16 styLesdavis wrote: The EGTL-Roster isn`t stacked with mass great players at all. When they play in PL i only got a good feeling when Taeja, Hero, Stephano and maybe Revival are playing. Players like Huk, Thorzain, Puma, JYP and Zenio always seem like an automatic loss even if their match record doesn`t say so.
With that said, Taeja and Hero haven`t been on their top level for weeks....
Why do people always blame JYP? He has a 10-10 record in proleague and he was not expected as an ace player. No player got more than 10 wins for EGTL (Hero got 10 as well). IMHO JYP and Stephano are the only players on EGTL who perform as expected.
The problem is that Hero, Taeja and Jaedong don't have a winning record (and thus better record than JYP). Hero is 10-11, Taeja 6-6 and Jaedong 7-10. Especially Jaedong has been massively overrated ever since he played WoL (joining EG certainly helped). He never has been a WoL star, neither in GSL nor in proleague. And btw Revival started well, but lost everything since then and his overall record is 4-8.
On February 18 2013 17:32 letian wrote: I think JD should just retire, I can't see him turn into some punchbag zerg
this. it breaks my heart to see this shit. but he would never ever have gone to a team of b-teamers and foreigners if he wasn't in a really, really shitty position to begin with, so i kind of saw that coming.
sad... humiliation after humiliation, when i think that TL predict that EG-TL would be 1st when the proleague started... obviously foreigners are too cocky !
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
Maybe this is their real skill.
Proleague is a whole different ball game than the rest of SC2, even GSTL isn't entirely comparable. Proleague is where the money comes from for the Kespa teams, all of their focus is being able to snipe all the key players to win a match. With a line up as thin as EG-TL's it's incredibly easy for other teams to do. EG-TL players apparently still aren't used to the sniper style practice. Most of them, for the last 3 years, have practiced with the mentality to be solid and well rounded players in order to make it to the finals of a marathon style tournament rather than meta-gaming and sniping certain pros to take a key game here and there during a clan war. I don't think in the last 4 matches with Stephano, he hasn't gone up against anything other than Zerg.
At an MLG or a Dreamhack, if players like Stephano, Hero, or Taeja didn't make it out of group stages or didn't make it to the final day of play, it's a disappointment. They've all won several tournaments and all have crushed team leagues at one point or another.
This is all speculation of course, I don't really know what goes on in their team house. For me, it's sad to see fan favorites fail to pull through.
On February 18 2013 17:51 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: Will EG-TL ever hit their stride? it pains me to see some of the best players ever to play SC2 fail to show their real skill. I hope they can be the come back kid's of proleague and make it to playoffs at the end and take it.
The kespa players are surpassing them, it's pretty straightforward.
it's not the skill it's the way the players are being brought out( order of the line-up)
This excuse can work as long as there are still possible permutations of EG-TL players lineup to be used.
Let's say they have 8 players to play. Number of possible permutations for 6 players lineups are 8!/2!=20160, then multiply the possible ace players, the total number of possible lineups are 20160*8=161280. That's about 3840 seasons.
Looking forward to see what other excuse you will find after 3840 years.
On February 18 2013 19:36 Evil_Sheep wrote: Well if there are any EGTL fans left after today's match, may I suggest some other teams that could use the support of undying optimists such as yourselves: Team England, Arsenal, the Toronto Maple Leafs...
Yeah, because being a fan of a team that doesn't win is completely wrong...
How fortunate you're here to enlighten us on which team we should be cheering for...
As always, it's easy to jump to conclusions. If they're "the players are bad" then, well. Whatever. Think that way I guess. They're performing very poorly in PL but I wouldn't say it's a lack of skill, especially with Stephano, HerO and Taeja.
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote: random poll
Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
Yes (24)
67%
Worse (11)
31%
8th place is entirely possible (1)
3%
36 total votes
Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): 8th place is entirely possible (Vote): Worse
Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote: random poll
Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
Yes (24)
67%
Worse (11)
31%
8th place is entirely possible (1)
3%
36 total votes
Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): 8th place is entirely possible (Vote): Worse
Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D
EG-TL has actually won matches... It could be worse.
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote: random poll
Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
Yes (24)
67%
Worse (11)
31%
8th place is entirely possible (1)
3%
36 total votes
Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): 8th place is entirely possible (Vote): Worse
Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D
ofc it is possible, EG-TL won 7 out of 19. If they win 2 straight games, they are possibly in playoff spot.
On February 18 2013 18:21 Tachion wrote: I don't really care about EG-TL as a team, but it's immensely disappointing seeing Jaedong continue to be sub-par. He unquestionably has the work ethic, and most definitely has the mechanics to succeed...so why isn't he? Why is he so much better in ZvZ (2x the winrate) than ZvT or ZvP? I can't wrap my head around the x-factors that are holding him back overall and in certain matchups.
I can tell you that easily.
ZvZ you can be aggressive you don't have to turtle to consistently win. Zerg verse Terran you can't be as aggressive and eventually you do have to turtle and try to get that deathball, zvp is just worse for it as you almost have to go turtle mode as really the only ways you can be aggressive verse toss in wol is to pretty much hope toss messes up forcefields.
I have said it before and I will say it again, I would judge Jaedong based on how he does in hots within the next few months after release. WoL does NOT fit his play style at all. He is not the type of player to sit back, make a ton of spines and try to get a deathball.
Hots zerg is very different from wol zerg (you can be aggressive, you don't have to go broodlords anymore) and this is when imo jaedong will shine.
I agree, JD was always very meticulous and aggressive in his play. I guess there is still hope then.
Its all about preparation. EG-TL come out playing these games like its just another game on the ladder. Also remember that EG and TL are two different teams and thus probably have a hard time finding that unity and team spirit other teams possess
This is so humiliating. They really need to figure out what is wrong with their practice schedule and fix it now. Its so disappointing to see the top 2 foreign teams just get crushed constantly.
Are the EG-TL players so focused on HotS or the GSL that they can't prepare for SPL adequately? I refuse to believe they are this bad. But if that's the case, I wonder why they joined SPL in the first place...
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote: Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".
But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season
Yeah, he's the guy with the best record in the team and he clearly is the cancer...
Stephano is strong in ZvP but weak in ZvZ; Jaedong is strong in ZvZ but weak in ZvP. So why does Stephano play ZvZ two games in a row and does Jaedong play ZvP two games in a row? I know it's partly luck, but coaches have to be good at predicting these sort of things to get their players the most favorable match-ups.
On February 18 2013 20:21 Inzan1ty wrote: random poll
Poll: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
Yes (24)
67%
Worse (11)
31%
8th place is entirely possible (1)
3%
36 total votes
Your vote: Would FXO fielding TheBeSt, Choya, JKS and Tear do a better job?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): 8th place is entirely possible (Vote): Worse
Unfortunetly this poll is bad design. I would argue that performing "worse" than egtl at this point would have to be a semantic argument. This poll implies that performing worse is possible :D
ofc it is possible, EG-TL won 7 out of 19. If they win 2 straight games, they are possibly in playoff spot.
I understand that it is technically possible for them to be performing worse, but how significant would that be? With a 26.7% set winrate over the last 6 matches they played (this already goes back to over a month ago), how much worse can a group of progammers under the same roof get, where it still matters. the whole point is that they are not capable of winning 2 straight games with the rest of the teams not winning any, as it currently stands. you are not going to be beating pl teams if your set winnrate is under 30%
On February 18 2013 20:55 Grumbels wrote: Stephano is strong in ZvP but weak in ZvZ; Jaedong is strong in ZvZ but weak in ZvP. So why does Stephano play ZvZ two games in a row and does Jaedong play ZvP two games in a row? I know it's partly luck, but coaches have to be good at predicting these sort of things to get their players the most favorable match-ups.
Honestly, luck plays a big role here. Stephano was on Neo Planet S which is a P map. You could say that the WJS coach mind gamed the EGTL coach and knew they would put Stephano there and countered with Soulkey. But what about JD's match. Did the coach really want Flying who is 0-3 vZ to play JD, free would have been a much better choice if the coach 'guessed' they would play JD there on Antiga.
If anything, I think WJS was trying to snipe Stephano with ZerO since Stephano had played on Akilon flats the 2 previous matches.
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote: Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".
But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season
This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote: Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".
But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season
This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.
Stephano and Jaedong's bromance is probably the reason. Jaedong can't focus, and the other Koreans are probably jealous of Stephano, so they decided to tank the team.
On February 18 2013 20:48 Hazzyboy wrote: Looks like EG-TL's problems started when Stephano arrived... maybe there's no connection but maybe he's an enigma and as they say team's "cancer".
But Jaedong also didn't show any star game level during whole season
This is the worst theory i've ever heard. They were struggling all season long, not when Stephano came in.
Stephano and Jaedong's bromance is probably the reason. Jaedong can't focus, and the other Koreans are probably jealous of Stephano, so they decided to tank the team.
On February 18 2013 21:25 AyaaLa wrote: they shoould kick out hwanni and the other coach. it seems to me at eg-tl have a mentalblock and the coaches cant fix it.
players play like crap.? better kick the coach. well it's like that in football (soccer for you americanos)r and everywhere. guess u can't blame the beloved players for playing like shit.
On February 18 2013 21:25 AyaaLa wrote: they shoould kick out hwanni and the other coach. it seems to me at eg-tl have a mentalblock and the coaches cant fix it.
players play like crap.? better kick the coach. well it's like that in football (soccer for you americanos)r and everywhere. guess u can't blame the beloved players for playing like shit.
The results seem to me to be a mixture of bad luck and bad form, but surely there has to be some criterion of success for the coach as well?
On February 18 2013 22:20 Morfildur wrote: EG-TL seems to perform worse in every round. What happened to them?
Also, why would you place your most consistent player who also won against sOs and ZerO previously at 6th place where he might not even play at all?
Because at the end of the day, you have to win 3 out of the first 6 matches or you lose. Sure, 4-1 looks better than 4-0 on paper, but a lost is a lost (unless it comes down to tiebreakers which is less likely in a season this long). Remember that WJS also had their best player (Soulkey) in the 6th game.
I wonder if EG-TL's performance can be due to the language barrier in the team. Mass-gaming is one thing but experimenting with a build and getting feedback afterwards is a whole other thing requiring a lot of communication.
But honestly given woongjin's lineup today, the results are not surprising. The only set that seemed like EG-TL might have hada shot was taeja vs free.
Maybe EGTL still have the syndrome that they think they're the Stronger team than most. When that happens, and your opponents are close to your level, if you start calculating too much and playing 'to win safely' rather than taking the gloves off and having a fistfight, you don't play your best game! Who's afraid of losing can't win.
Fuckit can't hurt to speculate and give some selfhelp advice.
On February 18 2013 22:48 Kabras wrote: Two things they need to do to recover: Get TLO to play and bring HayprO back from retirement. Else all is lost
How are TLO and HayprO any better than any of the current players? Please elaborate.
Kespa teams are not getting enough credit to how fast they are improving in SC2. They obviously didn't listen to the hype about EG-TL and just practiced their asses of instead.
My respect for Kespa teams are growing exponentially.
Too bad they don't play in GSTL. Would love to see them vs the established SC2 ESF teams. I think the elephant would stomp them.
On February 18 2013 22:20 Morfildur wrote: EG-TL seems to perform worse in every round. What happened to them?
Also, why would you place your most consistent player who also won against sOs and ZerO previously at 6th place where he might not even play at all?
Because at the end of the day, you have to win 3 out of the first 6 matches or you lose. Sure, 4-1 looks better than 4-0 on paper, but a lost is a lost (unless it comes down to tiebreakers which is less likely in a season this long). Remember that WJS also had their best player (Soulkey) in the 6th game.
Soulkey is actually their fourth best player by results.
There best player is Stephano, and he can carry them in all-kill rounds. Taeja is also very good, and JYP has been consistent. Everyone else hasn't been playing well. They'll do okay again in round 5 when the all-kill format returns. Stephano will be in proleague top shape by then.
EZ-TL is right where they should be. People tend to overrate the talent on their team, but to tell the truth, only taeja and jd are possibly high calibre players, who are of course not in their best shape right now. They are simply not as good as the other korean players, whether they are kespa or ESF. Of course, having only 2 good players on a team does not bode so well for in-house practice.
Nothing wrong with the coach, don't blame him. JD should get out of this team if he wants to show results.
On February 19 2013 00:08 BronzeKnee wrote: EG-TL has a pretty weak team to be honest.
There best player is Stephano, and he can carry them in all-kill rounds. Taeja is also very good, and JYP has been consistent. Everyone else hasn't been playing well. They'll do okay again in round 5 when the all-kill format returns. Stephano will be in proleague top shape by then.
Yes, Stephano is their best player....lol!....*sarcasm* most players in this team win one or two matches espeically in a best of one
BUT EGTL is off my list of possibly making a comeback...Taeja/JYP's play was the sloppiest ive seen of them lately...was just....awful
On February 19 2013 00:08 BronzeKnee wrote: EG-TL has a pretty weak team to be honest.
There best player is Stephano, and he can carry them in all-kill rounds. Taeja is also very good, and JYP has been consistent. Everyone else hasn't been playing well. They'll do okay again in round 5 when the all-kill format returns. Stephano will be in proleague top shape by then.
Problem with Stephano is that he is still fairly easy to snipe using ZvZ. Also, Rounds four and onward are HoTS so we will likely see a slight reshuffle in terms of player levels. Some players might adjust faster, some slower. Balance and maps might as be tilted towards a specific race/play style.
On February 18 2013 15:00 MisterFred wrote: You're all wrong. Very wrong. Yes, it's the first-place team vs the last place team. Yes, the matchups could have worked out better. Yes, doom & gloom is popular on forums.
But EG-TL is going to win this match, mark my words.
EG-TL has been oddly successful vs. Woongjin before (unlike CJ, who routinely owns them for no apparent reason) - and despite being the last place team, they're still not doing as badly as you'd think. A few won games and they're darn near 50-50. More importantly - THEY"RE NOT PLAYING AT THE OGN STUDIO. Excepting Stephano, who does not get intimidated, EG-TL is severely disadvantaged at the OGN studio. They just mentally fall apart. Not a lot of heart on the team. But they do have a lot of skill. And they're not playing in the OGN studio. They're playing when they have something to prove. And they're playing a team they do oddly well against.
This has all the hallmarks of an upset & a reason for EG-TL fans to hope again (until they play in the OGN studio next week and get unceremoniously destroyed by whatever team they're facing).
P.S. Anyone have the link to the Korean stream. NaverTV or something like that?
meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
Stop the doom and gloom and be a bit supportive of your guys! To the players/coaches (who if they are the least bit sensible probably won't read this sorry excuse for a thread): Keep on fighting, train harder and suddenly things will start going your way!
dont kid yourself, stephano is above average in ZvT and ZvP but far from remarkable, he would get steamrolled by people like parting and bogus, but could stand a 50%+ chance of winning against regular A teamers.
EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
When I saw EG-TL be 4-1ed the last match, despite having their best players, for once, on the field, I knew it was over for them for the week, and maybe even for the round. They'll have to fix their shit up soon enough, they have the potential but if they can't deliver it...
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yes, but its SC2 here, not Brood War.
So? Are you implying that SC2 is easier than Brood War, JD can just cruise along because of his BW superiority? I think this is exactly what you mean.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
On February 19 2013 02:08 Jornada wrote: To me starting Line up in this order all the time should be
Stephano Taeja Jaedong HerO ThorZain HuK
While that may be your personal idea of the top six players, from best to worst, the coaches still need to take into account the maps and possible match-ups each player will be playing. It would be un-wise to blindly throw a player out third just because he might be third best in the top line-up. Experience and sniping other players are important things to take into account.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
On February 19 2013 00:10 shadymmj wrote: EZ-TL is right where they should be. People tend to overrate the talent on their team, but to tell the truth, only taeja and jd are possibly high calibre players, who are of course not in their best shape right now. They are simply not as good as the other korean players, whether they are kespa or ESF. Of course, having only 2 good players on a team does not bode so well for in-house practice.
Nothing wrong with the coach, don't blame him. JD should get out of this team if he wants to show results.
I don't think the team has an impact on Jaedong's skill level. Jaedong was in a pretty shitty team (Hwaseung Oz) when he was tearing shit apart.
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
If EGTL is the new OZ, they would have been the forerunner of SPL already. Oz made it into 1 WL final and 1 PL final with that lineup. I rather have them to have those performances than their abysmal current one.
On February 19 2013 02:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: I would play Thorzain + Huk because they psychologically won't take it as hard IMO if they lose based on not having as high expectations on them.
Its not cool to see players cry after games, please stop playing Hero if he will be psychologically damaged by losing so much.
Well, if you start benching them for that reason, wouldn't their confidence be even lower? I mean if it was like an injury like Taeja, then yes. But what are you telling your player when you won't play them.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
On February 19 2013 02:40 Odoakar wrote: "Ok guys, could be better. See you tomorrow, and don't forget about your stream today!"
The streaming thing strikes me as a potential issue. If their practice time goes towards streaming then it's a waste of practice time imo - either they aren't practicing particular strategies and not using the time productively, or they are and as a result are providing their opponents with an opportunity to watch and see what might be thrown at them. I get that streaming is a big source of income, and good for exposing people to sponsors/players, but there's a reason why EGTL is the only Proleague team where anyone streams.
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
Lulz, you must be blind as they appear everytime during SPL commercial breaks. And oh yeah they definitely have done strange stuff in the past but at very low frequency. The soccer stuff was during off-seasons just letting you know. My point can't be anymore clear.
Some crazy irrational reactions ITT. Firing anybody is the stupidest idea I've heard, hiring some b-teamers would be a much better idea actually. Flaming the management or the coaches is irrelevant, the coach do what he can with what he got, which is pretty much less than everybody else in PL, so no miracle there.
I feel EG-TL needs to address this if they wanna win :
- No depth : very limited coaching choices = getting sniped over and over. - Nerves, mental strength : Zenio and HerO are not very good at this. Revival seems weak on that front too. Only momentum can get them better. - Changing priorities : players don't give a fuck about PL as soon as they enter GSL. - TL players don't train in the EG teamhouse, it shows. - Monetary incentive to win ?
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
Lulz, you must be blind as they appear everytime during SPL commercial breaks. And oh yeah they definitely have done strange stuff in the past but at very low frequency. The soccer stuff was during off-seasons just letting you know. My point can't be anymore clear.
the team probably spent like, a few hours total max on the video only though, they're mostly rather short interviews. CJ and Team 8 have them too
The team really isn't that strong. They don't have a lot of depth, they are top heavy but have players that are easily sniped in the all-kill round, and they were unlucky that Taeja had a wrist injury. If Taeja would have won all his games like he should have they would be many places higher.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
Lulz, you must be blind as they appear everytime during SPL commercial breaks. And oh yeah they definitely have done strange stuff in the past but at very low frequency. The soccer stuff was during off-seasons just letting you know. My point can't be anymore clear.
I don't think the blame can be shifted onto any one individual tbh. The players need to prepare better since it shows(Taeja proxying a stargate instead of playing straight up macro against Skyhigh lol) and the coaches need to do a better job of helping them come up with strategies. It's also clear that their priorities lie elsewhere unlike the KeSPA teams which focus on PL before anything else and imo, that's the way to win!
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
Lulz, you must be blind as they appear everytime during SPL commercial breaks. And oh yeah they definitely have done strange stuff in the past but at very low frequency. The soccer stuff was during off-seasons just letting you know. My point can't be anymore clear.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
Lulz, you must be blind as they appear everytime during SPL commercial breaks. And oh yeah they definitely have done strange stuff in the past but at very low frequency. The soccer stuff was during off-seasons just letting you know. My point can't be anymore clear.
the team probably spent like, a few hours total max on the video only though, they're mostly rather short interviews. CJ and Team 8 have them too
Lol, I'm trying to feed EG-TL a bone by giving them the time constraint execuse but alas you guys are too naive to take it. Its less humiliating.
On February 19 2013 01:24 nufcrulz wrote: meh dont think this team can win anymore till the fifth round when stephano and taeja can carry the whole team on their backs. Those 2 have been the only bright sparks in the proleague so far, plus hero to a certain extent..
On February 18 2013 22:47 niteReloaded wrote: Maybe EGTL still have the syndrome that they think they're the Stronger team than most. When that happens, and your opponents are close to your level, if you start calculating too much and playing 'to win safely' rather than taking the gloves off and having a fistfight, you don't play your best game! Who's afraid of losing can't win.
Fuckit can't hurt to speculate and give some selfhelp advice.
Are you watching the same games I am? It seems to me EG-TL's top players such as Taeja and HerO have lost recent games due to playing non-standard and doing something risky. I wish they just played more standard, and possibly even a little "safely" like you suggested.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Yeah, just like EG-TL on No.1 spot. It's just that your screen setting is set to rotate 180 degree.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
If you gave them half the spots then yes their chances of winning would increase, that much is obvious. Life was the first royal roader so I can't agree with that at all, that's simply foolish to state. He got into Code S and less than 3 months later was already a two time champion. Kespa is top heavy in GSL as shown by Soulkey and Bogus achieving good results two seasons in a row while others have failed to get to the ro8 more than once. In 2012 Season 5 two Kespa players went straight from Code A to Code S, Roro by beating Fantasy in Round 3 and Baby who beat Symbol in Round 3 ( who would then fall right back to Code B in the next season ). In the up and down matches Flash, Jaedong, Trap, Bbyong, sOs, Flying and Fantasy all lost.
I'm just telling you what happened, none of this is really arguable.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
That was kind of the point. We both presented unprovable opinions as facts, except only one of us knows that.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
That was kind of the point. We both presented unprovable opinions as facts, except only one of us knows that.
I put opinion out as opinion, I just believe them, but you don't. So there's a discussion, otherwise, who needs discussion, or possibly argument. And this forum will be dead.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
That was kind of the point. We both presented unprovable opinions as facts, except only one of us knows that.
I put opinion out as opinion, I just believe them, but you don't. So there's a discussion, otherwise, who needs discussion, or possibly argument. And this forum will be dead.
Well you could realize that what you affirm with a lot of conviction in a polemical offensive posture is most certainly wrong. Life was in code B two seasons ago and is now a two time champion three seasons later with a RO16 finish between both championship in a MU that is a little bit random and lost this seasons to one really strong ZvZ player and the best protoss player at the moment, I don't see where you can place it lower than other players.
Now maybe if KeSPA players had half of the spot in code S they would win but 1) that wouldn't prove anything since it would be only one season 2) you can't possibly be certain of this like you seemed to be in your message.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
That was kind of the point. We both presented unprovable opinions as facts, except only one of us knows that.
I put opinion out as opinion, I just believe them, but you don't. So there's a discussion, otherwise, who needs discussion, or possibly argument. And this forum will be dead.
Well you could realize that what you affirm with a lot of conviction in a polemical offensive posture is most certainly wrong. Life was in code B two seasons ago and is now a two time champion three seasons later with a RO16 finish between both championship in a MU that is a little bit random and lost this seasons to one really strong ZvZ player and the best protoss player at the moment, I don't see where you can place it lower than other players.
Now maybe if KeSPA players had half of the spot in code S they would win but 1) that wouldn't prove anything since it would be only one season 2) you can't possibly be certain of this like you seemed to be in your message.
I can be certain on my own opinion because that's my own opinion and I believe it, I'm not asking you to believe it. Some of your eSF fanboys's comments against KeSPA players are offensive to me too, as minority here, I can't hold my tongue to let you majority to bully minority all day long.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
If you gave them half the spots then yes their chances of winning would increase, that much is obvious. Life was the first royal roader so I can't agree with that at all, that's simply foolish to state. He got into Code S and less than 3 months later was already a two time champion. Kespa is top heavy in GSL as shown by Soulkey and Bogus achieving good results two seasons in a row while others have failed to get to the ro8 more than once. In 2012 Season 5 two Kespa players went straight from Code A to Code S, Roro by beating Fantasy in Round 3 and Baby who beat Symbol in Round 3 ( who would then fall right back to Code B in the next season ). In the up and down matches Flash, Jaedong, Trap, Bbyong, sOs, Flying and Fantasy all lost.
I'm just telling you what happened, none of this is really arguable.
I got a beating in logic today by a lawyer so if I were you, I'd never say something is not arguable.
For example, when you bring up the Life part, a strong counterpoint is that edgeout was talking about dropping down all the way to Code B and Royal Roader is just winning Code S from Code S on your first try. Life's first entrance was in Season 1 in all of GSL and he won Season 4. Anyways, I don't think how Life was in Season 1 back when he was in ZeNex is applicable to his current state and I suspect he'll just pull a Nestea if that happened. But that point is so easily debatable, never mind right or wrong, just easy to argue.
But my main point is never ever say something is not arguable unless you keep to 1+1=2 stuff or cold hard facts with as little application as possible. Even when you apply stuff, the application can be debated in terms of its relevancy to the original statement.
I was referring to how kespa is top heavy in GSL, there's no way to predict how life would do if he was sent back to Code B so I wasn't including that part at all, I just said I can't agree with it.
On February 19 2013 08:01 Dodgin wrote: I was referring to how kespa is top heavy in GSL, there's no way to predict how life would do if he was sent back to Code B so I wasn't including that part at all, I just said I can't agree with it.
You know I could begin going into sentence structure and semantics just to be a dick.
LOL. I just wanted to get the point across that you should never say something is not arguable.
No, you're right. I wasn't clear in my original post about that. I posted again to clear up that confusion. Of course you can always try to argue anything but all I did was lay out the facts on what happened and then gave my opinion that kespa is top heavy in their GSL performance.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
You put esf teams in pro league and top 4 spots would be esf teams.
Sorry for enter in your argumentation, but both of you are just doing empty especulation. Just wait maybe 1 or 2 years and see if itll be a 1 sided game or a equilibrium between Kespa and esf.
That was kind of the point. We both presented unprovable opinions as facts, except only one of us knows that.
I put opinion out as opinion, I just believe them, but you don't. So there's a discussion, otherwise, who needs discussion, or possibly argument. And this forum will be dead.
Well you could realize that what you affirm with a lot of conviction in a polemical offensive posture is most certainly wrong. Life was in code B two seasons ago and is now a two time champion three seasons later with a RO16 finish between both championship in a MU that is a little bit random and lost this seasons to one really strong ZvZ player and the best protoss player at the moment, I don't see where you can place it lower than other players.
Now maybe if KeSPA players had half of the spot in code S they would win but 1) that wouldn't prove anything since it would be only one season 2) you can't possibly be certain of this like you seemed to be in your message.
I can be certain on my own opinion because that's my own opinion and I believe it, I'm not asking you to believe it. Some of your eSF fanboys's comments against KeSPA players are offensive to me too, as minority here, I can't hold my tongue to let you majority to bully minority all day long.
It being your own opinion doesn't allow you to use it in a debate if it can't stand an argumentation. You can't just decide that something wrong is your opinion and expect people to accept it, there has to be some reasoning behind it.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
If you gave them half the spots then yes their chances of winning would increase, that much is obvious. Life was the first royal roader so I can't agree with that at all, that's simply foolish to state. He got into Code S and less than 3 months later was already a two time champion. Kespa is top heavy in GSL as shown by Soulkey and Bogus achieving good results two seasons in a row while others have failed to get to the ro8 more than once. In 2012 Season 5 two Kespa players went straight from Code A to Code S, Roro by beating Fantasy in Round 3 and Baby who beat Symbol in Round 3 ( who would then fall right back to Code B in the next season ). In the up and down matches Flash, Jaedong, Trap, Bbyong, sOs, Flying and Fantasy all lost.
I'm just telling you what happened, none of this is really arguable.
You are dealing with very small sample sizes, it is just variance. Concrete conclusions like KESPA is top heavy in individual leagues in general ability-wise is speculative at best.
On February 19 2013 01:36 Xiphos wrote: EG-TL should stop making those goofy videos and start focusing on their bread and butter. This is just plain embarrassing, its not like they don't have enough practice time a la AirForce Ace.
By the way, I'm not even surprised to see Jaedong losing, his prime was long over around 2010.
Yeah, INcontrol would totally have owned WJS if he wasn't making the video...
No he needs to actually get good at the game too by putting in more practice time too and get his butt to Korea.
I think InControl himself will tell you that if it was just practice that he is missing from being a top player global, he would train his butt off.
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
If you gave them half the spots then yes their chances of winning would increase, that much is obvious. Life was the first royal roader so I can't agree with that at all, that's simply foolish to state. He got into Code S and less than 3 months later was already a two time champion. Kespa is top heavy in GSL as shown by Soulkey and Bogus achieving good results two seasons in a row while others have failed to get to the ro8 more than once. In 2012 Season 5 two Kespa players went straight from Code A to Code S, Roro by beating Fantasy in Round 3 and Baby who beat Symbol in Round 3 ( who would then fall right back to Code B in the next season ). In the up and down matches Flash, Jaedong, Trap, Bbyong, sOs, Flying and Fantasy all lost.
I'm just telling you what happened, none of this is really arguable.
You are dealing with very small sample sizes, it is just variance. Concrete conclusions like KESPA is top heavy in individual leagues in general ability-wise is speculative at best.
over the few seasons of GSL so far, we've got quite a bit of data now
I don't see Jaedong, Taeja, Hero, and JYP filming silly videos.
In fact, I don't see your point at all, and I doubt anyone else does either. Kespa teams have done all sorts of silly stuff in the past. They have had female beauty pageants (with only males participating) and played soccer games versus other Kespa teams.
The problem isn't filming videos. The problem is that Kespa players are REALLY fucking good and very underrated. If you wiped the GSL to a clean slate for one season (Code A/S wiped), you would have over 70% of Code S being Kespa by the end of the third season easily.
Your second point is just wrong, there have been plenty of opportunities for more Kespa players to get into Code S and all 7 of them failed to advance through the up/downs, Kespa is really top heavy when it comes to good individual league players so far.
You give 16 seeds to KeSPA players in code S at the beginning, they will have championship by now. You put Life back in code B, no way he can get good results in code S after 3 seasons.
Proleague format produces teams with depth, they are not top heavy at all. eSF teams on the other hand, are overly top heavy, due to the low significance of team league, and the all kill format. And they attend tons of individual tournaments.
If you gave them half the spots then yes their chances of winning would increase, that much is obvious. Life was the first royal roader so I can't agree with that at all, that's simply foolish to state. He got into Code S and less than 3 months later was already a two time champion. Kespa is top heavy in GSL as shown by Soulkey and Bogus achieving good results two seasons in a row while others have failed to get to the ro8 more than once. In 2012 Season 5 two Kespa players went straight from Code A to Code S, Roro by beating Fantasy in Round 3 and Baby who beat Symbol in Round 3 ( who would then fall right back to Code B in the next season ). In the up and down matches Flash, Jaedong, Trap, Bbyong, sOs, Flying and Fantasy all lost.
I'm just telling you what happened, none of this is really arguable.
You are dealing with very small sample sizes, it is just variance. Concrete conclusions like KESPA is top heavy in individual leagues in general ability-wise is speculative at best.
over the few seasons of GSL so far, we've got quite a bit of data now
"Quite a bit" is relative. The fact that the best records in proleague do not correlate that well with best results in individual leagues should emphasise this.
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