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On October 21 2012 02:19 Xacez wrote:He is Australian-Chinese.
is he full? why is his last name Sargent?
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Reminds me of oldschool TvZ.
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This is offtopic, but are there any CS 1.6 brackets?
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On October 21 2012 02:28 Erik.TheRed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:18 Derrida wrote:I like this caster with Apollo, he doesn't seem like a clueless caster  Haven't heard him bullshit once so far. All he's doing is repeating what Apollo says, while enunciating the words more dramatically. Did the same thing with Artosis at WCS, except he would cut him off to say something mundane "He IS doing the build that is a BIT of a deiation from the last game so it seems he has changed his mentality in the series can you believe it..."
He also says big words to try to sound intelligent, though it screws up his grammar more often than not.
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On October 21 2012 02:29 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:19 Xacez wrote:On October 21 2012 02:17 ref4 wrote:
woah I thought Jorosar was Asian....... He is Australian-Chinese. is he full? why is his last name Sargent?
wtf full? he is half australian and half chinese
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On October 21 2012 02:28 Xacez wrote:
DreamHack is always poor/lacklustre until Ro8/Ro4 and they seem to have no plans changing this.
Well if players dont show up, wtf you want them to do about it. stop complaining about stuff no one can do anything about except the teams and players themselves.
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On October 21 2012 02:26 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:20 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:
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Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas.
You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way. I brought up the NSHS-players, because I know, they were part of a 4-kill of Johnyrecco, who I consider to be worse than Fraer. And I brought up GoOdy, because he also defeated MMA in a season, where MMA began in Code-S - just like Sirius did, so there is nothing outrageous about that. Even if it would be, the only argument left being Rain beating a guy in a best of 1 is pretty weak. JohnnyRecco narrowly lost 4-3 to MvPKeen in TSL4 so he's no walkover, he might be a PatchZerg but it doesn't make him bad (yet) Every player has their bad matchup it doesn't make them worse than someone, someone like Parting might be absolutely god terrible at PvZ doesn't mean if a Zerg beats him he's automatically worse than him.
I know, Jreccco is no walkover. I am just saying he is not as strong as Fraer. Same for Rain, he is a good player, but Fraer is better IMHO and until now, I did´nt see much, that convinced me, that "comparing him[Fraer] to Rain is ridiculous".
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On October 21 2012 02:30 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:29 ref4 wrote:On October 21 2012 02:19 Xacez wrote:On October 21 2012 02:17 ref4 wrote:
woah I thought Jorosar was Asian....... He is Australian-Chinese. is he full? why is his last name Sargent? wtf full? he is half australian and half chinese
oh I thought u meant a naturalized Chinese in Australia
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On October 21 2012 02:24 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:On October 21 2012 01:26 Mackus wrote:
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Slaying people left and right? He's currently 2-1, it is the biggest exaggeration ever. Nerchio the best player? TheSTC Code S 2 seasons ago, Code A this season.
Don't get me wrong I know nothing about the EU scene, but it seems like you're the exact same overseas Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas. You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way. Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation. On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore.
Nerchio is the best player in this field and the favourite to win this DreamHack. TheSTC is a contender but Nerchio should beat him if they meet.
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On October 21 2012 02:19 Bromazepam wrote:Rain targets larvae with Hellions. I wish more Terrans did that. Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:14 4ZakeN87 wrote:On October 21 2012 02:08 Bromazepam wrote:On October 21 2012 01:47 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Maybe weird thing to say here but I really dislike the format DH has. The first 10h of the tournament is filled with matches that are close to pointless and in general of lower quality even if they by an off chance would matter.
Okay so first argument arising; Do not watch it then!
Okay that is a point and actually I have not. However the tournament "must" run over two days. So because of this must the final 16 bracket tree be completed in probably shorter time then this first ro64 takes. Which result in the semifinal being a bo3 single elimination.
So what can happen, and did happen with Hero at DH summer, is that a player goes undefeated in the tournament and then loses 2-1 in a mirror in the quarter/semifinal. Hero was 20-0 maps before so his total result was 21-2 in the tournament and then he got exactly 0$. Besides is it really boring, say that theStC and Nerchio goes up in a semifinal. That is likely to be the best match of the tournament, anything less then a bo5 is underwhelming. And if it is a bo3 system there should be a lower bracket.
I actually do not get it because it is stupid on several layers. First a lot of low quality/unimportant matches are taking air time from the second group stage and the 16 bracket. Fewer people are watching the first group stage and therefor are the fewer viewers total and thus less income. Second is it just Booooring. Third is it less fair, the fact you can get knockout in a bo3 mirror after winning the first 20 maps and thus have win record above 90% is bullshit.
Have something else, have a small tournament before with only BYOC people and have the top 4 seeded into a group play or have more online qualifiers or most other things than this. It's a true open tournament. What you are suggesting with the seeds would make it a hybrid, like Winter is gonna be. If you have a problem with too few high end players on the first day try to convince your favourite teams to send someone next time. Or they could just have fewer players total. Well I think the fact that we have this discussion on only the 17/18th page of this thread more then 10 hours into the first day of DH is making an argument for me. What? That makes no sense. You're the one who started the argument.
Okay I guess I have to spell it out x)
I argue that this tournament format is boring the first day and is bad for viewer numbers and finally bad for the income of DH. The fact that we have this discussion on only 17/18 page of this thread more then 10 hours in to the tournament reflect that fact.
AK = few people are making posts about the tournament because few are watching/are interested in the first day of the tournament.
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Really nice snipe by evaner but he came at a pretty bad angle and lost too many mutas for it.
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On October 21 2012 02:31 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:28 Xacez wrote:
DreamHack is always poor/lacklustre until Ro8/Ro4 and they seem to have no plans changing this. Well if players dont show up, wtf you want them to do about it. stop complaining about stuff no one can do anything about except the teams and players themselves.
My complaints are not related to the quality of the games.
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On October 21 2012 02:31 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:24 Otolia wrote:On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:
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Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas.
You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way. Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation. On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore. Nerchio is the best player in this field and the favourite to win this DreamHack. TheSTC is a contender but Nerchio should beat him if they meet.
I think you quoted the wrong person, revel8. I never talked about that. Nerchio's results are in fact the best argument that Koreans aren't the automatic favorites anymore.
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Nightend is able to defend against all of evaner's muta ling attacks, in the end evaner has no way to beat nightend's counter attack, vasa is sad esports is hurt
2-1 Nightend
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Northern Ireland27207 Posts
Nice to see Sage doing well, great stream and really looked like an up-and-comer all those months ago.
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Wow, there's honestly no top tier players in this DH, that's quite disappointing. Oh well, maybe it'll allow a new star to blossom.
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On October 21 2012 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
Nightend is able to defend against all of evaner's muta ling attacks, in the end evaner has no way to beat nightend's counter attack, vasa is sad esports is hurt
2-0 Nightend
Binary Beast says 2-1
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And some people were saying Nerchio's ZvP is top level...
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On October 21 2012 02:37 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:35 Fusilero wrote:
Nightend is able to defend against all of evaner's muta ling attacks, in the end evaner has no way to beat nightend's counter attack, vasa is sad esports is hurt
2-0 Nightend Binary Beast says 2-1
Oh I must have missed something LRing and LoL at the same time not good plan.
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On October 21 2012 02:35 nmetasch wrote:
Wow, there's honestly no top tier players in this DH, that's quite disappointing. Oh well, maybe it'll allow a new star to blossom.
Nerchio is there so not entirely true. Mana aswell
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