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Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
October 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#401
GO TLO GO GO GO!
64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3325 Posts
October 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#402
Just listen to that caster and audience.
Counter-strike is killing SC2
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
October 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#403
Hey guys: if any game with Desrow or Mista starts, please post on what stream in this thread!
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#404
On October 21 2012 02:34 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:31 revel8 wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:24 Otolia wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:
[quote]

I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene


Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok...


3-2 in GSTL
4-0 in IPL
3-2 in the EG MSC

All in the past 5 weeks

I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do.


His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well.


The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that


Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist.


Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way.

Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation.

On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore.


Nerchio is the best player in this field and the favourite to win this DreamHack. TheSTC is a contender but Nerchio should beat him if they meet.

I think you quoted the wrong person, revel8. I never talked about that. Nerchio's results are in fact the best argument that Koreans aren't the automatic favorites anymore.


I actually said early in the thread Nerchio should be up there otherwise the EU scene will be left embarrassed with Code B players taking the top spots, the arguments about some supposedly good player called Frear because he beat Puma in the worst form of his life and then started comparing him to TheSTC and Rain
nmetasch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States600 Posts
October 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#405
On October 21 2012 02:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:35 nmetasch wrote:
Wow, there's honestly no top tier players in this DH, that's quite disappointing. Oh well, maybe it'll allow a new star to blossom.


Nerchio is there so not entirely true. Mana aswell


I don't really consider either to be top tier.. I haven't personally seem them ever do much. I guess its all based on opinions though.
Chandler
Profile Joined April 2011
Ukraine69 Posts
October 20 2012 17:39 GMT
#406
fraer 2-1 nerchio ! BEAST!
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#407
On October 21 2012 02:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
And some people were saying Nerchio's ZvP is top level...


Fraer has Nerchio's number for whatever reason. Like 90% win rate or something.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#408
On October 21 2012 02:29 nucLeaRTV wrote:
This is offtopic, but are there any CS 1.6 brackets?


Group results: http://www.fragbite.se/?coverID=10802&groupplayID=10569&sitecup=0
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#409
On October 21 2012 02:38 nmetasch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:35 nmetasch wrote:
Wow, there's honestly no top tier players in this DH, that's quite disappointing. Oh well, maybe it'll allow a new star to blossom.


Nerchio is there so not entirely true. Mana aswell


I don't really consider either to be top tier.. I haven't personally seem them ever do much. I guess its all based on opinions though.


but but but Nerchio 6-0 Naniwa!!!one!
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
October 20 2012 17:41 GMT
#410
Fraer's PvZ is really good. His composure and patience during pushes impresses me. A lot of protosses would have settled for one big attack (and lost), but he slowly wore down the infestors.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 20 2012 17:41 GMT
#411
On October 21 2012 02:39 Chandler wrote:
fraer 2-1 nerchio ! BEAST!

Yeehaw, thanks to ZeddSC for casting, gonna catch the vods later, unfortunately I was eating!

I knew he could do it again!

Now we only need Nerchio beating Nightend and everyone beating Evaner and I'll be happy. VasaCast won't be, though.^^
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 20 2012 17:41 GMT
#412
On October 21 2012 02:40 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
And some people were saying Nerchio's ZvP is top level...


Fraer has Nerchio's number for whatever reason. Like 90% win rate or something.


Nerchio is currently 4-15 against Fraer. Man, he seriously is Nerchio's kryptonite.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#413
Cute ideas from TLO, did not work at all.
Glorious SEA doto
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#414
Now that is why Baneling drops are terrible against Terran.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#415
What is this TLO build o0
LawnMower
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden557 Posts
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#416
Nooo TLO...
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. - Bertrand Russel
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 17:44:44
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#417
On October 21 2012 02:34 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:31 revel8 wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:24 Otolia wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:
[quote]

I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene


Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok...


3-2 in GSTL
4-0 in IPL
3-2 in the EG MSC

All in the past 5 weeks

I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do.


His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well.


The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that


Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist.


Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way.

Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation.

On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore.


Nerchio is the best player in this field and the favourite to win this DreamHack. TheSTC is a contender but Nerchio should beat him if they meet.

I think you quoted the wrong person, revel8. I never talked about that. Nerchio's results are in fact the best argument that Koreans aren't the automatic favorites anymore.


Well, it was intended more to refute the claim by Mackus that Nerchio was not the favourite in this field. Nerchio has recently destroyed ForGG and beaten Taeja. He also crushed Naniwa and has beaten MC a few times recently. He got very far in his last DH and was finally knocked out by Stephano. I expect Nerchio to win this DH or come very close. Maybe one of the European Protoss players like NightEnd, Mana or Elfi can do something too.

Edit: Obviously my post had comical timing, considering Nerchio just lost to Fraer! Regardless, I think he is the strongest player in this field.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 20 2012 17:42 GMT
#418
you are not ready yet TLO....
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 20 2012 17:43 GMT
#419
Seems like TLO was trying to do too many things at one time, attempting a Nydus all-in, then transitioned into Hive play which never worked because Rain was never damaged macro-wise.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3325 Posts
October 20 2012 17:43 GMT
#420
On October 21 2012 02:40 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:37 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
And some people were saying Nerchio's ZvP is top level...


Fraer has Nerchio's number for whatever reason. Like 90% win rate or something.

I think It's not that bad but it's safe to say the Fraer has become Nerchios nemesis.
Most likely he is just difficult to read.
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