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Rain targets larvae with Hellions. I wish more Terrans did that.
On October 21 2012 02:14 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:08 Bromazepam wrote:On October 21 2012 01:47 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Maybe weird thing to say here but I really dislike the format DH has. The first 10h of the tournament is filled with matches that are close to pointless and in general of lower quality even if they by an off chance would matter.
Okay so first argument arising; Do not watch it then!
Okay that is a point and actually I have not. However the tournament "must" run over two days. So because of this must the final 16 bracket tree be completed in probably shorter time then this first ro64 takes. Which result in the semifinal being a bo3 single elimination.
So what can happen, and did happen with Hero at DH summer, is that a player goes undefeated in the tournament and then loses 2-1 in a mirror in the quarter/semifinal. Hero was 20-0 maps before so his total result was 21-2 in the tournament and then he got exactly 0$. Besides is it really boring, say that theStC and Nerchio goes up in a semifinal. That is likely to be the best match of the tournament, anything less then a bo5 is underwhelming. And if it is a bo3 system there should be a lower bracket.
I actually do not get it because it is stupid on several layers. First a lot of low quality/unimportant matches are taking air time from the second group stage and the 16 bracket. Fewer people are watching the first group stage and therefor are the fewer viewers total and thus less income. Second is it just Booooring. Third is it less fair, the fact you can get knockout in a bo3 mirror after winning the first 20 maps and thus have win record above 90% is bullshit.
Have something else, have a small tournament before with only BYOC people and have the top 4 seeded into a group play or have more online qualifiers or most other things than this. It's a true open tournament. What you are suggesting with the seeds would make it a hybrid, like Winter is gonna be. If you have a problem with too few high end players on the first day try to convince your favourite teams to send someone next time. Or they could just have fewer players total. Well I think the fact that we have this discussion on only the 17/18th page of this thread more then 10 hours into the first day of DH is making an argument for me.
What? That makes no sense. You're the one who started the argument.
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On October 21 2012 02:16 tuho12345 wrote:
What a waste TLO. Cute move doesn't work against decent player.
Since when is roach drops against mech a cute move? It can definitely work against very good players, but he got behind from the hellions.
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On October 21 2012 02:18 Derrida wrote:I like this caster with Apollo, he doesn't seem like a clueless caster  Haven't heard him bullshit once so far.
Well he mixed up scarabs with interceptors at wcs asia, but he is pretty good indeed.
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If the size of the Thor model would be reduced again it would be so good (and look less retarded when a Thor based army walks around the map).
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Rain played that solid. TLO was far behind but I admire his attempt.
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On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:On October 21 2012 01:26 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:19 Xoronius wrote:
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TLO had one good tourney lately, he still has a lot to proof. Fraer is slaying opponents left and right at EGMC, NightEnD has proven time after time, that he can beat compete with koreans (wins against Taeja, 3-0ing Puma) and Nerchio is probably the best player in this tournament. I think everyone of them would have a good chance to win, if they would place in group 1. Slaying people left and right? He's currently 2-1, it is the biggest exaggeration ever. Nerchio the best player? TheSTC Code S 2 seasons ago, Code A this season. Don't get me wrong I know nothing about the EU scene, but it seems like you're the exact same overseas Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas. You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way.
I brought up the NSHS-players, because I know, they were part of a 4-kill of Johnyrecco, who I consider to be worse than Fraer. And I brought up GoOdy, because he also defeated MMA in a season, where MMA began in Code-S - just like Sirius did, so there is nothing outrageous about that. Even if it would be, the only argument left being Rain beating a guy in a best of 1 is pretty weak.
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On October 21 2012 02:18 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:14 Derrida wrote:On October 21 2012 02:14 Dexington wrote:
I keep hearing random Gangnam Style sound clips. I did hear it also, watching the TLO game. it was like "WOP". Yep they played a "WOP", I'm sure.
They've played "WOP" a couple of times today
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I come back to see vasa is casting, this tournament is now no.2 tournament ever.
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On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:On October 21 2012 01:26 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:19 Xoronius wrote:
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TLO had one good tourney lately, he still has a lot to proof. Fraer is slaying opponents left and right at EGMC, NightEnD has proven time after time, that he can beat compete with koreans (wins against Taeja, 3-0ing Puma) and Nerchio is probably the best player in this tournament. I think everyone of them would have a good chance to win, if they would place in group 1. Slaying people left and right? He's currently 2-1, it is the biggest exaggeration ever. Nerchio the best player? TheSTC Code S 2 seasons ago, Code A this season. Don't get me wrong I know nothing about the EU scene, but it seems like you're the exact same overseas Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas. You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way.
Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation.
On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore.
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No crowd really kills the excitement.
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There's nothing worse with a big tournament than low game sound. It completely takes away from the excitement of the game, it's that simple.
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On October 21 2012 02:24 Dexington wrote:
No crowd really kills the excitement.
We're gonna have a crowd for Ro8-forward tomorrow
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On October 21 2012 02:20 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:On October 21 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:On October 21 2012 01:30 StarVe wrote:On October 21 2012 01:26 Mackus wrote:
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Slaying people left and right? He's currently 2-1, it is the biggest exaggeration ever. Nerchio the best player? TheSTC Code S 2 seasons ago, Code A this season.
Don't get me wrong I know nothing about the EU scene, but it seems like you're the exact same overseas Fraer is 5-1 in series in EG Master's Cup, he beat Nerchio, HasuObs, NightEnd, Thorzain and JonnyRecco (2-0 against everyone but Nerchio who took a game) and lost to Kas. You're wrong, he's not. I checked from Liquipedia so blame that for not updating but it still doesn't take away the fact you're comparing Fraer to Rain and TheSTC, it's laughable. Nerchio's good but he's not the best in the tournament and he's probably your only hope of the some Code B Koreans + TheSTC making a mockery of the EU scene Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok... 3-2 in GSTL 4-0 in IPL 3-2 in the EG MSC All in the past 5 weeks I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do. His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well. The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist. Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way. I brought up the NSHS-players, because I know, they were part of a 4-kill of Johnyrecco, who I consider to be worse than Fraer. And I brought up GoOdy, because he also defeated MMA in a season, where MMA began in Code-S - just like Sirius did, so there is nothing outrageous about that. Even if it would be, the only argument left being Rain beating a guy in a best of 1 is pretty weak.
JohnnyRecco narrowly lost 4-3 to MvPKeen in TSL4 so he's no walkover, he might be a PatchZerg but it doesn't make him bad (yet) Every player has their bad matchup it doesn't make them worse than someone, someone like Parting might be absolutely god terrible at PvZ doesn't mean if a Zerg beats him he's automatically worse than him.
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Eurgh I hate watching the better player lose.
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DreamHack is always poor/lacklustre until Ro8/Ro4 and they seem to have no plans changing this.
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On October 21 2012 02:18 Derrida wrote:I like this caster with Apollo, he doesn't seem like a clueless caster Haven't heard him bullshit once so far.
All he's doing is repeating what Apollo says, while enunciating the words more dramatically. Did the same thing with Artosis at WCS, except he would cut him off to say something mundane "He IS doing the build that is a BIT of a deviation from the last game so it seems he has changed his mentality in the series can you believe it..."
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That's what happens when you skip hellions.
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Why does it seem like TLO only wins vs T with bane busts? Anytime I see him win, it's a ling bane build.
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