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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
October 20 2012 17:43 GMT
#421
TLO, I love you for the cute stuff you pull off, but sometimes I wish you stopped doing cute stuff.
#1 Grubby Fan.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
October 20 2012 17:44 GMT
#422
On October 21 2012 02:38 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 02:34 Otolia wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:31 revel8 wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:24 Otolia wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 02:03 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:57 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:56 Xoronius wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:50 Mackus wrote:
On October 21 2012 01:45 Xoronius wrote:
[quote]

Are you seriously saying Rain is better than Fraer atm.? His last achievment was about one year ago, he has about 100 elo less with recent losses to Grubby, Sheth, Sase, Strelok...


3-2 in GSTL
4-0 in IPL
3-2 in the EG MSC

All in the past 5 weeks

I did say Team Leagues. Also. Like the other guy said, using elo as part of your argument not such a great thing to do.


His GSTL wins were against Sirius, Brave and Salvation, his IPL wins were against Western wolves and he has a worse EGMC record than Fraer. He did nothing, a decent eurpean could´nt have done as well.


The same Sirius who beat MMA last week who's a Code S champion, you're not making a great point with that


Fraer defeated GoOdy, who also defeated MMA. Transitive skill does not exist.


Now you're just making outrageous comparisons - MMA was in Code S this season and he got annihilated by Sirius, and you only brought up the NSH players cos you don't actually know them, Salvation is pretty ok for someone who recruited via the Ladder the old-school way.

Since you are pretending to be some kind of Korean scene know-it-all, you are certainly aware that MMA hasn't been in the best mental state following the SlayerS disband. I wouldn't read too much into a single loss in this situation.

On the other hand, you are definitely unaware of the european scene (no wonder you live in England - and yes that's an ad hominem attack but I like to display my french heritage by hating on the mint lamb eaters) Fraer is a solid player. A top tier PvZ in EU (not quite on Seed's or Rain's level of course but I would still rate it on the same level as finale's) and while Rain had good results in team leagues, nothing he has done there has been very impressive. He is just another Code B. And the vast majority of Code B is not the favorite vs. top tier foreigners anymore.


Nerchio is the best player in this field and the favourite to win this DreamHack. TheSTC is a contender but Nerchio should beat him if they meet.

I think you quoted the wrong person, revel8. I never talked about that. Nerchio's results are in fact the best argument that Koreans aren't the automatic favorites anymore.


I actually said early in the thread Nerchio should be up there otherwise the EU scene will be left embarrassed with Code B players taking the top spots, the arguments about some supposedly good player called Frear because he beat Puma in the worst form of his life and then started comparing him to TheSTC and Rain

Fraer might be unknown to you. But he is a clear top 5 protoss in EU. TheSTC is a very good player but Rain is a cheesy cockroach.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 20 2012 17:44 GMT
#423
On October 21 2012 02:43 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Seems like TLO was trying to do too many things at one time, attempting a Nydus all-in, then transitioned into Hive play which never worked because Rain was never damaged macro-wise.


nah his plays might have worked vs a lesser player but not vs. a decent Korean Terran.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#424
I think TLO actually looked really sharp he was just up against... rain
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#425
On October 21 2012 02:43 Derrida wrote:
TLO, I love you for the cute stuff you pull off, but sometimes I wish you stopped doing cute stuff.

At least in ZvT cute stuff seems to often amount to a painful death unless your I.D is ST_Life
Glorious SEA doto
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#426
Oh hey didn't know Rain spoke such good English.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 20 2012 17:46 GMT
#427
woah Rain English gosu!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 20 2012 17:46 GMT
#428
"I don't want to play anyone good" - Fnatic.Rain
Glorious SEA doto
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 20 2012 17:46 GMT
#429
Well he did live in NA for quite a long time.
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#430
should check out his interview with hotbid. It was pretty funny =D
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#431
Nerchio has a bad losing record to Titan, Fraer and Grubby...no offense to these players(who are tip top in the foreign scene), but having a losing record against them means you aren't a contender for having one of the best ZvPs in the world...
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 17:47:14
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#432
Has Rain put on some additional weight or is that my imagination?
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#433
Hahahah, casters' nightmare matchup incoming indeed.
#1 Grubby Fan.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#434
Rain speaks very good English!
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#435
On October 21 2012 02:46 Fusilero wrote:
"I don't want to play anyone good" - Fnatic.Rain


hey man that's Mvp's train of thoughts throughout GSL as well.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#436
Hmmm, is TLO really the best in his group besides Rain?
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
October 20 2012 17:48 GMT
#437
On October 21 2012 02:43 Derrida wrote:
TLO, I love you for the cute stuff you pull off, but sometimes I wish you stopped doing cute stuff.


My feeling with TLO has always been if he spent a lot of time getting his standard play/long standard macro plays up to a higher level he'd be an extremely dangerous player. If he could win those kinds of games regularly without cute stuff, it'd make his cute stuff 10x more dangerous because his opponents would be kept guessing.

He's clearly a smart guy, I wonder if his medical issues (carpal tunnel, etc.) make practicing difficult and that's why we don't see more standard stuff out of him mixed in with the wacky TLO strategies we all love.
EatCrow
Profile Joined April 2010
Estonia333 Posts
October 20 2012 17:48 GMT
#438
On October 21 2012 02:47 iSunrise wrote:
Has Rain put on some additional weight or is that my imagination?


Look strange and different to me too.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 20 2012 17:48 GMT
#439
On October 21 2012 02:47 -_- wrote:
Hmmm, is TLO really the best in his group besides Rain?


Both should go through yes unless something horribly goes wrong
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
October 20 2012 17:48 GMT
#440
On October 21 2012 02:47 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Nerchio has a bad losing record to Titan, Fraer and Grubby...no offense to these players(who are tip top in the foreign scene), but having a losing record against them means you aren't a contender for having one of the best ZvPs in the world...


No definitely not, but dosen't mean your ZvP isn't good though
"Right on" - Morrow
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