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On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
Yes, when an influx of players enter a new game, some people are going to fade from obscurity as the bell curve gets raised. This is true for both ESF and Kespa players. And in the end we'll be left with people who are good at sc2. Favourites from both. Unknowns from both. Such is progress.
On October 12 2012 13:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: Just watched and I had to giggle in game 2 when life gets inside of taeja's base. Tasteless reaction + life's reaction in the portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEmF6zN-AQ&feature=youtu.be
On October 12 2012 13:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: Just watched and I had to giggle in game 2 when life gets inside of taeja's base. Tasteless reaction + life's reaction in the portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEmF6zN-AQ&feature=youtu.be
On October 12 2012 13:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: Just watched and I had to giggle in game 2 when life gets inside of taeja's base. Tasteless reaction + life's reaction in the portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEmF6zN-AQ&feature=youtu.be
haha this is amazing, unfortunately as T, MVP is the only watchable player nowadays. everyone else just choking or something
On October 12 2012 15:25 Jmanthedragonguy wrote: Can someone help me figure out liquibet? I'm not sure how to bet on modern games, it's been stuck on the Proleague games for the past while... :/
thats bw portion, u notice 2 numbers, eg. 10/10??? click on the second number, that is the sc2 portion
On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
God I really hate them BW fanboys...and don't get me wrong I fancy bw myself...but if the match between mvp and flash in msl wasn't split in 2 days ...mvp would have won!
On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
God I really hate them BW fanboys...and don't get me wrong I fancy bw myself...but if the match between mvp and flash in msl wasn't split in 2 days ...mvp would have won!
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
God I really hate them BW fanboys...and don't get me wrong I fancy bw myself...but if the match between mvp and flash in msl wasn't split in 2 days ...mvp would have won!
And how exactly would he have done that?
well he was leading 1-0 which was the first day if i am not wrong
On October 12 2012 13:54 TheRabidDeer wrote: Just watched and I had to giggle in game 2 when life gets inside of taeja's base. Tasteless reaction + life's reaction in the portrait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEmF6zN-AQ&feature=youtu.be
haha this is amazing, unfortunately as T, MVP is the only watchable player nowadays. everyone else just choking or something
On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
So much blind (and wrong, btw) Fanboism in this post, it's hillarious.
Let's look at your "cream of the crop imba elephants from BW" results, shall we ?
NaDa : retired, had good results, not nothing up to the legend. BoxeR : As much as I love him, he never really had any results in SC2 (expect for an MLG). ForGG, the wonder boy who's going to conquer the world (according to blind BW fanboys like you when he switched) : One finals against Taeja that he lost. That's it. Not really up to the hype uh ? Flash : I saw all his games because I really wanted to belive the hype from BW. But the best I can come up is "meh". He's not bad, but he's far FAR from legend status (or even MVP level). He's a decent. Jaedong : Probably the funniest, so much hype, no little results... JulyZerg : Same as the other "legends", had some okayish results, but nothing crazy.
The only one from BW having result is Rain, and he wasn't that good at all in BW, proving once again that being good at BW does NOT make you good at SC2, never have, never will. You can be a legend in one and totally suck in the other.
On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote: MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals.
overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good
what the fuck am i reading
4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist
best performing sc2 player ever so far
this has to be a troll
i know that post is old but i had to reply to it
Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype:
Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily.
It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand...
Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating)
That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements.
On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote: MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals.
overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good
what the fuck am i reading
4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist
best performing sc2 player ever so far
this has to be a troll
i know that post is old but i had to reply to it
Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype:
Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily.
It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand...
Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating)
That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements.
you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT.
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
Yes, when an influx of players enter a new game, some people are going to fade from obscurity as the bell curve gets raised. This is true for both ESF and Kespa players. And in the end we'll be left with people who are good at sc2. Favourites from both. Unknowns from both. Such is progress.
So much blind (and wrong, btw) Fanboism in this post, it's hillarious.
Let's look at your "cream of the crop imba elephants from BW" results, shall we ?
NaDa : retired, had good results, not nothing up to the legend. BoxeR : As much as I love him, he never really had any results in SC2 (expect for an MLG). ForGG, the wonder boy who's going to conquer the world (according to blind BW fanboys like you when he switched) : One finals against Taeja that he lost. That's it. Not really up to the hype uh ? Flash : I saw all his games because I really wanted to belive the hype from BW. But the best I can come up is "meh". He's not bad, but he's far FAR from legend status (or even MVP level). He's a decent. Jaedong : Probably the funniest, so much hype, no little results...
The only one from BW having result is Rain, and he wasn't that good at all in BW, proving once again that being good at BW does NOT make you good at SC2, never have, never will. You can be a legend in one and totally suck in the other.
Deal with it, elephants fanboys.
wut, i think you quoted the wrong guy, cuz the person you quoted is quite unbiased and seemingly slightly in favor of ESF.......
On October 11 2012 06:35 TAMinator wrote: Rain had to play OSL and GSL back to back Rain played less SC2 than MVP Rain had less time to prepare to due point 1 Still went to ace match
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the B word for MVP you crazy nerds.
So, GSL 4 titles don't mean shit to you ?
Consider the length of GSL as compared to say OSL. There wasn't anyone in SC2 who was dominant over a long period of time. Also he got his 4 wins before the Age of Elephants came about. Even if MVP wins this one I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be the last time he ever does (granted KeSPA players' continuous participation in the GSL and their skills getting better and better as time goes by). Anyway it's still too early to call anyone the best player that ever touched the game. People have been saying that bout Nestea and MC as well...
Don't get me wrong. I still think MVP is one of the best players at the moment, though his play is too inconsistent to call him the absolute best.
Mvp won his first GSL back in Jan 2011. If he wins this GSL, the time span will be 22 months which is a decent amount of time. And you can't downplay his achievements by saying it was before the Age of Elephants. It would be saying that Boxer wouldn't have won if JD and Flash played earlier. You can only be compare to the competition you had during that time.
There's also all the time in-between his wins where his play showed some inconsistencies. And it's different from Boxer vs JD/Flash. Back then there was only one scene - BW. I'm not downplaying MVP's achievements. You are right bout one thing - you can only compare to the competition you had during that time. Consider that the absolute best was still playing BW during that time.
And BW and SC2 are different games with similarities. Being good in one does not necessarily mean you will be just as good in the other. It would be saying that since Stephano is really good in SC2, he would have been very good in BW. So Idra was only really best foreigner in the late stages of BW because Stephano was playing WC3.
The facts are that at the time SC2 came out the absolute best players were still playing BW. People with BW background that switched during that time were mostly B-Teamers and practice partners.
And no being good at SC2 doesn't make you good at BW since the latter is a more demanding game skill-wise (you might not agree though). We've had this discussion a million times already so it's pointless to start another one here.
What we've got now is the cream of the crop finally joining the ranks of the SC2 players and whether they all start owning face in the near future is irrelevant. It'll still benefit the metagame with so many dedicated players pouring in so rejoice!
Sry but there's no such a thing as BW top players are gifted at RTS game in general. They are just gifted at BW. There's no guarantee that they will be top player in SC2. Just wait and see some of your beloved BW top players just dissappear and new one will rise. I will wait for BW's fanboys excuse about why those players can't do well.
Granted that I am a little bit dissapointed with the progress of such players like JD & Flash the BW players seem to be doing pretty good overall and that makes me happy. What will really happen is that a lot of your beloved SC2 stars will slowly fade into obscurity (it is already happening if you look at the recent results). Also I really doubt that players who were at the top of BW will dissapear just like that. They aren't yet doing as good as everyone expected them to but come on... it's too early to write them off since the full transition has just only started for some.
So much blind (and wrong, btw) Fanboism in this post, it's hillarious.
Let's look at your "cream of the crop imba elephants from BW" results, shall we ?
NaDa : retired, had good results, not nothing up to the legend. BoxeR : As much as I love him, he never really had any results in SC2 (expect for an MLG). ForGG, the wonder boy who's going to conquer the world (according to blind BW fanboys like you when he switched) : One finals against Taeja that he lost. That's it. Not really up to the hype uh ? Flash : I saw all his games because I really wanted to belive the hype from BW. But the best I can come up is "meh". He's not bad, but he's far FAR from legend status (or even MVP level). He's a decent. Jaedong : Probably the funniest, so much hype, no little results... JulyZerg : Same as the other "legends", had some okayish results, but nothing crazy.
The only one from BW having result is Rain, and he wasn't that good at all in BW, proving once again that being good at BW does NOT make you good at SC2, never have, never will. You can be a legend in one and totally suck in the other.
Deal with it, elephants fanboys.
EDIT: Wrong quote, fixed
Rain was the up and coming player in BW before the switch, just like MVP was when he switched. And Roro was a good A class player too. Effort is doing good in SC2.
On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote: MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals.
overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good
what the fuck am i reading
4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist
best performing sc2 player ever so far
this has to be a troll
i know that post is old but i had to reply to it
Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype:
Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily.
It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand...
Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating)
That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements.
you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT.
You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning.
I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter.
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