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On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote:
MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals. overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good what the fuck am i reading 4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist best performing sc2 player ever so far this has to be a troll i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together.
You know what will be even more funny? All the MVP fanboys butthurt after Life destroys him... muhahaha.
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On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote:
MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals. overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good what the fuck am i reading 4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist best performing sc2 player ever so far this has to be a troll i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro You must be mentally challenged. As for the BW elitist fanboy who keeps PMing me, you can stop whining for my attention, I'm not interested, keep riding the hype trains and what-not; TaeJa/Life/Rain etc etc etc. It doesn't matter, and Mvp doesn't care :D. Also I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together.
LOL id let you know that i was happy MVP beat rain, i am absolutely a ESF fanboy, as well as a life fanboy, and i really hate taeja, but i still acknowledge that taeja is as good as mvp. Anyway lets not derail this thread anymore, lets settle the argument without a bad ending.
also at the poster above me, i agree life is favored but the way you post is terrible.
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On October 13 2012 00:48 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote:
MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals. overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good what the fuck am i reading 4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist best performing sc2 player ever so far this has to be a troll i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together. You know what will be even more funny? All the MVP fanboys butthurt after Life destroys him... muhahaha.
thanks, i needed a good joke today
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On October 13 2012 00:52 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote:
MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals. overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good what the fuck am i reading 4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist best performing sc2 player ever so far this has to be a troll i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro You must be mentally challenged. As for the BW elitist fanboy who keeps PMing me, you can stop whining for my attention, I'm not interested, keep riding the hype trains and what-not; TaeJa/Life/Rain etc etc etc. It doesn't matter, and Mvp doesn't care :D. Also I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together. LOL id let you know that i was happy MVP beat rain, i am absolutely a ESF fanboy, as well as a life fanboy, and i really hate taeja, but i still acknowledge that taeja is as good as mvp. Anyway lets not derail this thread anymore, lets settle the argument without a bad ending.
You hate TaeJa?
Seriously how can you actively 'hate' players, that's the problem with you guys.
Fanboys are one thing, but haters are just pathetic.
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On October 13 2012 00:34 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:33 transcendent one wrote:On October 13 2012 00:23 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:21 transcendent one wrote:On October 13 2012 00:16 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:11 transcendent one wrote:On October 12 2012 23:55 theonemav wrote:On October 12 2012 23:48 mambar wrote:On October 12 2012 23:40 theonemav wrote:On October 12 2012 23:38 X3GoldDot wrote:
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yes. he did. but of course taeja also lost to rain 2-0. Anyway i want this discussion to end, becuz fanboys cant be reasoned with Well do be fair MVP would have lost if that series was a best of 3 right? 2-1 Rain, MVP is great in those longer series where his cheese is more effective. But yes I get it Taeja is only better than MVP when they play each other  ... Nice passive aggressiveness, kid Kid? lol... if you only knew. My favorite MVP moment was when he picked GuMiho in the round of 16 in season one this year and got bopped 4-1 by landed viking harass. then he won the next gsl, he beat ryung puzzle leenock naniwa parting and squirtle the "achievements from the past don't matter" argument is not good, even if you use it on MVP he's a recent GSL winner, that is worth more than Taeja's foreigner tournament wins also their mirror match up results are flawed as an argument, Elfi could snipe the best protoss in korea and then lose horribly to a b-teamer. I'm not saying MVP is clearly better, I'm saying none of the two is clearly better than the other, probably their strengths are different, and there is no objective way to determine who is better And Taeja beat him the season after he won (Round of 16 season 3) and then beat his ass again in season 4 round of 32. oh yeah the good old Stephano beat Curious, Cytoplasm beat Stephano, Delphi beat Cytoplasm argument that proves that Delphi is better than Curious. good one! i get it that you're a mvp anti-fan but you're just making yourself seem stupid if you keep repeating this lol btw around the time MVP won the gsl taeja lost to sase, socke, huk No its just the good ole Taeja owns MVP rant... they're 4-3 all together, not that hard of an ownage i seem to remember when MKP owned Taeja 5-1. so mkp>taeja>mvp>mkp Unless you are just talking about the 2 most recent GSL's which I am.... And I'm still trying to figure out how saying Taeja beating MVP in the last two GSLs has anything to do with your whole Stephano beat Curious, Cytoplasm beat Stephano, Delphi beat Cytoplasm argument that proves that Delphi is better than Curious analogy...... And you bringing up MKP vs Taeja now is doing exactly what you were talking shit about ROFL!
are you mentally challenged?
you're trying to imply that Taeja is better than MVP because he beat him, looking at only a short time interval chosen by you. you wouldn't win an argument with this in the kindergarten. if the player 1 beat player 2 therefore player 1 is better!!! argument would be true the player 1>player 2> player 3> player4 argument would be true too, in my example player 1 was curious and player 4 was delphi but I could make even better ones
MKP vs Teaja was another shot to show you how retarded this argument is, you failed to understand it lol
seriously are you like 12 years old? does repeating TAEJA BEAT MVP!!! make you happy?
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On October 13 2012 01:02 transcendent one wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:34 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:33 transcendent one wrote:On October 13 2012 00:23 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:21 transcendent one wrote:On October 13 2012 00:16 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:11 transcendent one wrote:On October 12 2012 23:55 theonemav wrote:On October 12 2012 23:48 mambar wrote:On October 12 2012 23:40 theonemav wrote:[quote] Well do be fair MVP would have lost if that series was a best of 3 right? 2-1 Rain, MVP is great in those longer series where his cheese is more effective. But yes I get it Taeja is only better than MVP when they play each other ... Nice passive aggressiveness, kid Kid? lol... if you only knew. My favorite MVP moment was when he picked GuMiho in the round of 16 in season one this year and got bopped 4-1 by landed viking harass. then he won the next gsl, he beat ryung puzzle leenock naniwa parting and squirtle the "achievements from the past don't matter" argument is not good, even if you use it on MVP he's a recent GSL winner, that is worth more than Taeja's foreigner tournament wins also their mirror match up results are flawed as an argument, Elfi could snipe the best protoss in korea and then lose horribly to a b-teamer. I'm not saying MVP is clearly better, I'm saying none of the two is clearly better than the other, probably their strengths are different, and there is no objective way to determine who is better And Taeja beat him the season after he won (Round of 16 season 3) and then beat his ass again in season 4 round of 32. oh yeah the good old Stephano beat Curious, Cytoplasm beat Stephano, Delphi beat Cytoplasm argument that proves that Delphi is better than Curious. good one! i get it that you're a mvp anti-fan but you're just making yourself seem stupid if you keep repeating this lol btw around the time MVP won the gsl taeja lost to sase, socke, huk No its just the good ole Taeja owns MVP rant... they're 4-3 all together, not that hard of an ownage i seem to remember when MKP owned Taeja 5-1. so mkp>taeja>mvp>mkp Unless you are just talking about the 2 most recent GSL's which I am.... And I'm still trying to figure out how saying Taeja beating MVP in the last two GSLs has anything to do with your whole Stephano beat Curious, Cytoplasm beat Stephano, Delphi beat Cytoplasm argument that proves that Delphi is better than Curious analogy...... And you bringing up MKP vs Taeja now is doing exactly what you were talking shit about ROFL! are you mentally challenged? you're trying to imply that Taeja is better than MVP because he beat him, looking at only a short time interval chosen by you. you wouldn't win an argument with this in the kindergarten. if the player 1 beat player 2 therefore player 1 is better!!! argument would be true the player 1>player 2> player 3> player4 argument would be true too, in my example player 1 was curious and player 4 was delphi but I could make even better ones MKP vs Teaja was another shot to show you how retarded this argument is, you failed to understand it lol seriously are you like 12 years old? does repeating TAEJA BEAT MVP!!! make you happy?
no no no...
I never said one time that Taeja was better then MVP (other then when they play each other ), I simply pointed out he beat him in the last two GSL's. You then go on some huge retarded rant that included a ridiculous analogy that had no baring on the fact I was only pointing out how Taeja crushed MVP in the last two GSL's, and that MVP was lucky Life took him out in the round of 4...
After I pointed out just how ridiculous you were being you then call me mentally challenged, say I couldn't win an argument in "the kindergarten" and try to argue your pointless analogy again... jeez you are dense.
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How can anyone say Life is favored against MVP, a 4x GSL champion? Are you serious? MVP has been in this spot so many times and knows what it takes to win. I'd say his odds of winning are 4:1.
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On October 13 2012 01:54 Gatored wrote:
How can anyone say Life is favored against MVP, a 4x GSL champion? Are you serious? MVP has been in this spot so many times and knows what it takes to win. I'd say his odds of winning are 4:1.
I would LOVE to take a bet with Life(+400)... shit id dump my whole paycheck on that!
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On October 13 2012 01:54 Gatored wrote:
How can anyone say Life is favored against MVP, a 4x GSL champion? Are you serious? MVP has been in this spot so many times and knows what it takes to win. I'd say his odds of winning are 4:1.
He has the advantage of greater experience, sure, but I do not believe many people consider Mvp Life's superior as far as mechanical skill and general gameplay goes. Is he a smarter player? Maybe. More experienced? Absolutely. But is he better? That's what people are discussing.
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you didn't point out how ridiculous i were lol you just didn't understand an easy thing
also i didn't say you said Taeja is better, i said you were implying it- like 10 out of your 13 posts is a retarded jab at MVP lol
if you didn't mean Taeja is better than MVP fine, then the delphi-curious example doesn't apply to you, but it still makes sense lol don't be stupid
so conclusion is, you just like to randomly and repeatedly say who MVP lost to and that he will lose in the future. good job!
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On October 13 2012 01:54 Gatored wrote:
How can anyone say Life is favored against MVP, a 4x GSL champion? Are you serious? MVP has been in this spot so many times and knows what it takes to win. I'd say his odds of winning are 4:1.
I said the same thing last season, Mc vs SEED ... 
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On October 13 2012 02:00 transcendent one wrote:you didn't point out how ridiculous i were lol you just didn't understand an easy thing also i didn't say you said Taeja is better, i said you were implying it- like 10 out of your 13 posts is a retarded jab at MVP lol if you didn't mean Taeja is better than MVP fine, then the delphi-curious example doesn't apply to you, but it still makes sense lol don't be stupid so conclusion is, you just like to randomly and repeatedly say who MVP lost to and that he will lose in the future. good job!
Oh god... did you even see the post I was originally responding too? Someone was saying MVP was better then Taeja because he was farther in this seasons Code S, so I simply pointed out that Taeja beat MVP in this seasons code S...
So yes... you were ASSUMING that I was trying to say Taeja was better than MVP... when I was just pointing out that its pretty much impossible to say MVP is better then Taeja just because hes in this years finals when Taeja has beaten MVP in the last two GSL's.
And yes I do believe Life will win this years finals easily, not because I hate MVP but because I see that Life is in the best shape and the way he beat Taeja (Who has only lost one set all year to Zerg in Korea) really shows me he has the ZvT matchup down and MVP is in for some hurt. The way he shut down Seeds harass in ZvP was also very impressive to me.
Bottom line you assumed something that was totally wrong, fail boated an analogy and tried to win an "internet argument" by calling someone a mentally retarded 12 year old... how original .
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On October 13 2012 00:48 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:On October 11 2012 00:39 partysnatcher wrote:
MVP is in my opinion one of the most overrated stars out there. Like Polt, his skillset simply doesn't draw me in as a fan, and most people who are a fan of him, usually uses his "amount of wins" as argument for why.
I personally hope he gets crushed in the finals. overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good what the fuck am i reading 4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist best performing sc2 player ever so far this has to be a troll i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together. You know what will be even more funny? All the MVP fanboys butthurt after Life destroys him... muhahaha.
Nothing to be sad about even if he loses in the final. He is clearly the best player in SC2:WoL by far with no contest. He already won GSL this year and may won another one. This guy also got into the final 6 times which is the achievement that other pros couldn't even dream of.
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On October 13 2012 02:15 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 02:00 transcendent one wrote:you didn't point out how ridiculous i were lol you just didn't understand an easy thing also i didn't say you said Taeja is better, i said you were implying it- like 10 out of your 13 posts is a retarded jab at MVP lol if you didn't mean Taeja is better than MVP fine, then the delphi-curious example doesn't apply to you, but it still makes sense lol don't be stupid so conclusion is, you just like to randomly and repeatedly say who MVP lost to and that he will lose in the future. good job! Oh god... did you even see the post I was originally responding too? Someone was saying MVP was better then Taeja because he was farther in this seasons Code S, so I simply pointed out that Taeja beat MVP in this seasons code S... So yes... you were ASSUMING that I was trying to say Taeja was better than MVP... when I was just pointing out that its pretty much impossible to say MVP is better then Taeja just because hes in this years finals when Taeja has beaten MVP in the last two GSL's. And yes I do believe Life will win this years finals easily, not because I hate MVP but because I see that Life is in the best shape and the way he beat Taeja (Who has only lost one set all year to Zerg in Korea) really shows me he has the ZvT matchup down and MVP is in for some hurt. The way he shut down Seeds harass in ZvP was also very impressive to me. Bottom line you assumed something that was totally wrong, fail boated an analogy and tried to win an "internet argument" by calling someone a mentally retarded 12 year old... how original .
Not sure if the way he beated Taeja will work that well against Mvp. Right now Mvp's TvZ is looking very strong.
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On October 13 2012 02:17 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:48 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:On October 12 2012 04:19 Corrosive wrote:
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overrated ---> fans use his amount of wins for why he's good
what the fuck am i reading
4 time gsl winner 6 time gsl finalist
best performing sc2 player ever so far
this has to be a troll
i know that post is old but i had to reply to it Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype: Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily. It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand... Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...) Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating) That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together. You know what will be even more funny? All the MVP fanboys butthurt after Life destroys him... muhahaha. Nothing to be sad about even if he loses in the final. He is clearly the best player in SC2:WoL by far with no contest. He already won GSL this year and may won another one. This guy also got into the final 6 times which is the achievement that other pros couldn't even dream of.
He was the player of 2011 no doubt... I just find it funny how all these MVP fanboys come out predicting 4-0 4-1 victories vs a player in Life that looks far better so far in THIS seasons GSL.
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On October 13 2012 02:21 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 02:15 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 02:00 transcendent one wrote:you didn't point out how ridiculous i were lol you just didn't understand an easy thing also i didn't say you said Taeja is better, i said you were implying it- like 10 out of your 13 posts is a retarded jab at MVP lol if you didn't mean Taeja is better than MVP fine, then the delphi-curious example doesn't apply to you, but it still makes sense lol don't be stupid so conclusion is, you just like to randomly and repeatedly say who MVP lost to and that he will lose in the future. good job! Oh god... did you even see the post I was originally responding too? Someone was saying MVP was better then Taeja because he was farther in this seasons Code S, so I simply pointed out that Taeja beat MVP in this seasons code S... So yes... you were ASSUMING that I was trying to say Taeja was better than MVP... when I was just pointing out that its pretty much impossible to say MVP is better then Taeja just because hes in this years finals when Taeja has beaten MVP in the last two GSL's. And yes I do believe Life will win this years finals easily, not because I hate MVP but because I see that Life is in the best shape and the way he beat Taeja (Who has only lost one set all year to Zerg in Korea) really shows me he has the ZvT matchup down and MVP is in for some hurt. The way he shut down Seeds harass in ZvP was also very impressive to me. Bottom line you assumed something that was totally wrong, fail boated an analogy and tried to win an "internet argument" by calling someone a mentally retarded 12 year old... how original . Not sure if the way he beated Taeja will work that well against Mvp. Right now Mvp's TvZ is looking very strong.
His turtle mech style would be crushed by Life... MVPs only chance is cheese.
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On October 13 2012 02:23 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 02:17 Wildmoon wrote:On October 13 2012 00:48 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 00:42 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 22:47 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:12 InoyouS2 wrote:On October 12 2012 18:46 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 17:46 Entirety wrote:
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Yes, that is completely ridiculous. Given how much Mvp has won, here is the 'acceptable' level of hype:
Mvp is the best StarCraft 2 player seen thus far, he will win this GSL handily.
It is 'acceptable' level because he deserves that much hype for all of his accomplishments. Now, on the other hand...
Overrating: Mvp will never lose ever again and he will become the 1st SC2 bonjwa after winning every tournament for 10 years (it's overrating because Mvp doesn't deserve that much...)
Underrating: Mvp will lose to Life. (Based on accomplishments alone, a 0 GSL winner vs. a 5 GSL finalist... saying that the 5 GSL finalist won't win is called underrating)
That's right, predicting Life over Mvp is actually underrating Mvp based on achievements. you dont rate a match based on how good the players were, you rate the match by how good they are now. And life is favored in that regard, thus he is favored in the match, it wont be underrating MVP. its like saying nestea would be favored if he faced against life using your logic. Nestea is a 3time champion, sure, but is he anywhere near Life's skill? absolutely NOT. You are overrating Life from one tournament appearance, and I watched his play, it was not exactly revolutionary, in fact it was more down to TaeJa choking than Life winning. I really hate when people say things like 'Rain is the most skills Protoss' or 'Life is the most skilled Zerg' or 'TaeJa is the most skilled Terran player', it's total non-sense; regardless of their skill levels, if they don't win it doesn't matter. then you obviosly have the wrong mindset, or you are just trolling, or most likely, your just a blind MVP fanboy if you think taejas multiple wins across the world wasnt enough to make him the best terran in the world. or Rains ultimate demolishing of taeja, making to the ro4 GSL and finals of OSL wasnt enough to make him the best toss. Why does TaeJa's 'multiple wins' suddenly make him the best Terran when Mvp has 4 times as many titles? Either way you just come off as another hype-train fankiddy, and it's kinda sad to see. Also, a few deep runs does not make Rain the best Protoss, seriously what kind of glue are you huffing? I don't honestly care about current form, I care about consistency, and that's where the safe bets are always placed. TL;DR: Jumping on and off hype trains will make you one disappointed fankid. let me translate what youre saying: nestea is a 3 time champ, hes better than all the other zergs like life, leenock and curious cause they dont have championship titles, I DONT CARE IF HES CODE B HES STILL BETTER CAUSE OF HIS PAST CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHIES!! if you dont think that attitude of judging a player from distant past is retarded, then GL at predictions bro I'm amused at how it's just the Rain fanboys left sulking in this thread, get your shit together. You know what will be even more funny? All the MVP fanboys butthurt after Life destroys him... muhahaha. Nothing to be sad about even if he loses in the final. He is clearly the best player in SC2:WoL by far with no contest. He already won GSL this year and may won another one. This guy also got into the final 6 times which is the achievement that other pros couldn't even dream of. He was the player of 2011 no doubt... I just find it funny how all these MVP fanboys come out predicting 4-0 4-1 victories vs a player in Life that looks far better so far in THIS seasons GSL.
What do you mean by he was the player of 2011? He is the only player to make it to the final 2 times this year and Mvp 4-0,4-1 unlikely won't happen but it's possible.
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On October 13 2012 02:25 theonemav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 02:21 Wildmoon wrote:On October 13 2012 02:15 theonemav wrote:On October 13 2012 02:00 transcendent one wrote:you didn't point out how ridiculous i were lol you just didn't understand an easy thing also i didn't say you said Taeja is better, i said you were implying it- like 10 out of your 13 posts is a retarded jab at MVP lol if you didn't mean Taeja is better than MVP fine, then the delphi-curious example doesn't apply to you, but it still makes sense lol don't be stupid so conclusion is, you just like to randomly and repeatedly say who MVP lost to and that he will lose in the future. good job! Oh god... did you even see the post I was originally responding too? Someone was saying MVP was better then Taeja because he was farther in this seasons Code S, so I simply pointed out that Taeja beat MVP in this seasons code S... So yes... you were ASSUMING that I was trying to say Taeja was better than MVP... when I was just pointing out that its pretty much impossible to say MVP is better then Taeja just because hes in this years finals when Taeja has beaten MVP in the last two GSL's. And yes I do believe Life will win this years finals easily, not because I hate MVP but because I see that Life is in the best shape and the way he beat Taeja (Who has only lost one set all year to Zerg in Korea) really shows me he has the ZvT matchup down and MVP is in for some hurt. The way he shut down Seeds harass in ZvP was also very impressive to me. Bottom line you assumed something that was totally wrong, fail boated an analogy and tried to win an "internet argument" by calling someone a mentally retarded 12 year old... how original . Not sure if the way he beated Taeja will work that well against Mvp. Right now Mvp's TvZ is looking very strong. His turtle mech style would be crushed by Life... MVPs only chance is cheese.
We will see. Don't use Taeja as the standard that what he plays is the best TvZ.:D
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MVP is in the finals while many of the hyped players are not!
Deal with it!
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