I'll just get this off my chest: any sensible, non-emotional, logical person would say that this was an awesome end to this GSTL, regardless of that mkp/parting incident. Now I'll just love MKP even more to offset the eventual unwarranted and unjustified hatred that MKP will get. I bid you good night. Time to catch some brief sleep before watching SPL. <3
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
Do you know if marinekings production was 99% done?
Heh.
After watching the replay, he was about 15/20% done on marauders / marines while PartinG had 2 seconds until warp-gates were off cooldown. He also had a warp prism in MKP's base.
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
On April 08 2012 13:10 theplagueman wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out. As a top masters Protoss, I can say with 100% confidence that unless parting had an aneurism, and even then, MKP would have lost the game. I can respect the judge's decision, but as a player I would be FURIOUS to win a game vs another teams ace player in the finals of the most important team league in the world, and then be forced to re-game.
You guys must be roommates or something
Lol exactly what I was thinking too. What is that thing reposted for...
Also what's up with these people being like "Parting couldn't afford his next warp-in", he had 79 mining probes, do you really think he can't power his Gateways? He only needs to pay at the time the cooldowns are actually up. Normally keeping your resources low is a sign of good play, but here you think it means he was losing?
On April 08 2012 13:26 soLremarK wrote: Some relevant math I did: 149 supply for Parting vs 110 supply MKP Parting: 79 Probes Army: 70 supply - 4 observers - warp prism = 65 supply 6 stalkers = 12 supply 53 supply remaining 8 HTs x 2 = 16 supply 53 - 16 = 37 supply remaining 18 zealots ~ = 36 supply Those are all things that Parting had ON THE FIELD. MKP had 3 marauders and 6 vikings. 20 of his supply was in production - considering that by the time that production is on the field, parting will have another warp cycle off of 15 gates.... he would be almost 80 supply up in army by the time MKP came out.
Parting had absolutely won that game, 100%. The re-game was the worst decision and it de-legitimized the entire GSTL finals. Tragic
Yes because he can warp in with 15 gates when he has 200 minerals right? Oh wait..... Honestly I find it kind of funny that people look at a screenshot and do some biased as hell math and think their judgement is soo much superior then a group of unbiased pro's spending almost 20 minutes analysing the replay....
Actually, he's being quite logical and you ignore the fact that pros such as Hero and Tyler (both not on Startale) have given input and said that Parting had that game won. How do you know that the judgment was even made by pros and not by referees?
Yes.. two Protoss players claiming victory.......... really unbiased there. And correct me if I'm wrong but Wolf even said the Ref's were former BW/SC2 pro's? Even if not I still trust their judgement more.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Their Internet is actually exponentially better from what I understand.
Nationally, yes. Because our nation is so large the infrastructure would cost a lot.
Las Vegas is a major city with high speed internet, though.
Doesn't SK have 1 gbit/s internet for $28/month? At the very least, a pilot project for that.
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP vs Bomber was in no way a come-back. Bomber had less army supply by about 30%, also 4 less tanks. It wasn't even close. And when MKP army attacked bomber there was no come-back possible, because MKP had a 50% army supply lead. Parting had an even bigger lead (about 90%).
What about Bombers first comeback in that very same match? How he held what seemed to be an impossible hold at the beginning?
MKP still had tons of racks and money he could produce from, and PartinG was nowhere near these facilities (he was attacking those three out in the middle). Also, stop pulling statistics out of your butt. PartinG did not have a 90 % lead.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Actually South Korea has some of the fastest internet in the world... lol
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
wat
ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th
Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Their Internet is actually exponentially better from what I understand.
If this is a comparison of korean interenet vs american interenet. Well it's not a competition at all, korean internet is insanely fast compared to american internet.
For this event though I am sure they had a dedicated 100 mbs line just for sc2 alone though probably. So it would be a non-factor.
On April 08 2012 13:22 Ryler wrote: I love how some people use the it wasn't a 100% loss, well no shit
the only way it could have been a 100% loss is if MKP has 0 supply with no bank to whatever Parting has(inb4 flying terran buildings), but anyone actually WATCHING the game knows that parting wins that atleast 90-95%, for fuck sake he was down on supply whole game trading left and right and now he has a 40 supply lead right next to his base? sure he doesn't have ALL of the army there, but MKPS army is coming out of the raxes 1 by 1. but I guess those 6 vikings turn the tide
It was like a 90% loss for MKP too at one point when he was playing against Bomber and Squirtle. He won both of those games some how... you guys can't be theorycrafting this from a normal T point of view.
lolno those games were actually quite even
last time i checked 5 tanks beats 2 tanks
and stimmed marine marauder medivac is pretty good against stalker immortal
2 tanks can beat 5 if you're in defensive position, especially when you're up 30 workers and 1 base.
as for the Squirtle game, if the game were to be DC'ed at the moment MKP pulled all his SCV's but got half of them forcefield and killed for free, everyone would be saying Squirtle had that game as well.
On April 08 2012 13:19 Nethermind wrote: I'm interested in hearing Korean nitizen opinions on this; are they are divided and anti/pro-Prime as foreigners are?
They share same opinions as you guys, but they are much more civil about it. (HINT: They are banning any raging douchebags left and right with speed of light) They're blaming shitty american internet, though. They are saying GSTL should only host in Korean soil from now on.
Lol. Our internet is fine. Their internet isn't any better. Just because it happened in the US first doesn't mean it wouldn't happen in Korea.
Actually South Korea has some of the fastest internet in the world... lol
Not to mention one of the most stable connections in the world.
On April 08 2012 13:18 Cassel_Castle wrote: [quote]
2011 MVP > MMA > MKP 2012 MKP > MMA > MVP
for two months, wow, nice, and mvp dominated for 1 year.
MKP says this year is just getting started, baby.
as has every best in the world player before they faded off
Seems like you are quite the mkp hater. Just accept the regame... omg.
where would you ever get that idea, mkp lost that game and as a result tainted the victory that they didn't deserve
This will be my last post direct at you for the night, but I'm sorry that you're so hurt about MKP probably owning all your favorite players on a consistant basis. Hopefully one day you will get over it.
Good night!
this is the problem, mkp lost that game, and without mkp startale wins. dã
you can't say that at all. When startale and prime met just a few weeks ago you had Curious (as the starter) take out not only MKP and Maru but terious as well. Thats even worse than how Prime started this matchup.
You then had creator beat curious and bomber, get beaten by squirtle. GhostKingPrime then came in and swept the rest of startale.
Prime ALREADY beat StartaleQ without MKP. Obviously they were capable of doing it again.
and how can u know this? with startale 3-1 prime
I responding to the point that startale beats MKP = win. Thats not true at all. Startale vs Prime in the GSTL regulator season was up 3-0, even better than the 3-1 here, after taking down MKP, Maru, Terious. THEY STILL LOST THAT MATCH.
Nobody can ever know how the rest of the final would have gone if Parting had been awarded the victory. You certainly can't say that startale would have won for sure as they already lost before, while having a larger advantage.
On April 08 2012 13:07 Tzuborg wrote: After seeing the two comebacks in the MKP vs Bomber match, there really is no way the game vs PartinG could not be re-done. The comeback factor here can simply not be ignored.
GG, WP, Foxer!
MKP had an army advantage in the Bomber match when Bomber thought he had it won, of course no one would be against a regame in that scenario. There was a clear route to victory for MKP, go and kill him really fast.
There was no route to victory in the Parting game. MKP had nothing.
Except about 10+ production buildings in his base and superior micro. But we'll leave that out I guess.
When protoss (or any race for that matter) get ontop of terran production facilities and have enough army to kill off the single file units streaming out the game is over. Judging by their army positions when Marineking lost his whole army, he was dead, absolutely dead. It was too close to his production facilities to make a new army in time.
1) For the 13204982304th time, Parting was NOT on top of MKP's production buildings. MKP made 3 Barracks far outside his base in the mid game; Parting was killing those when the game DC'ed. MKP had 10-15 more barracks in his base/elsewhere
2) Parting had no money to even warp in unit at that point, while MKP had 500+ mineral/ 1300 gas banked up, PLUS units already building in his 10-15 barracks.
wow... "far outside"? u need glasses it was just below the ramp to the expo
you underestimate the power of scvs repairing a wall of bunkers and scv's.
wat
ah of course mkp magically whipped up a few bunkers from the scvs he still has mining minerals in his main base from the 30 minute game with mules to protect his production and of course he has units and bunkers at his 3rd 4th and 5th
Ppl also fail to realise Parting had his Warp Prism IN MKP'S MAIN, there was simply no way to come back.
Yes im a Gold scrub, but im not blind.
MKP also had 6 vikings by that prism. It wasn't warping in anything.
On April 08 2012 13:32 Daimiru wrote: Also what's up with these people being like "Parting couldn't afford his next warp-in", he had 79 mining probes, do you really think he can't power his Gateways? He only needs to pay at the time the cooldowns are actually up. Normally keeping your resources low is a sign of good play, but here you think it means he was losing?
Either way he would have to wait to warp in. Which means MKP has time for his production cycle, and with MKP's micro and the fact that Parting had no forward pylons(He had a warp prism but MKP had 6 vikigns ready to snipe it) MKP COULD have held that off. Then they are back to even bases with Parting at an advantage.
The point is Parting was in a very good situation but it was not completely won yet.
On April 08 2012 13:06 Argolis wrote: MKP = The first sc2 bonjwa
lol no
lol yes?
lol NO
perhaps on the way but not yet obviously.
Not even close to "on the way". He hasn't even won a GSL yet.
i should quote you for later. If you do not think that MKP is or nearly is the best sc2 player atm.. how can you really argue this? are you blind or just plain dumb? he has beaten DRG twice in a row recently in important matches (current GSL champ) and beat parting tonight and at mlg winter arena (who most would consider #1 PvT in the world right now) not to mention he is in code S and has odds for winning it all.
really? are you one of those BW players with grouchy old man syndrome? "In my day a bonjwa walked uphill in the snow for 10 years before he was considered a bonjwa!"
Now I just see BoxeR in a Santa outfit walking up a snow covered hill.
But lol MKP is the best player in the world at this moment. He's not a bonjwa and he's nowhere close to being one. You need to do what MKP is doing for a year. An entire year. He has at least 10 months to go.
EPT
